Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/J-P E. Mattila

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The result was delete. v/r - T P 01:51, 4 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

J-P E. Mattila

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person of low notability - with a legal case attached to it, imo not notable either - one of the externals is registering on my system as a threat - If anyone thinks its worth keeping it needs a complete rewrite and some independent sources discussing him - possible move to a legal title - the current article begs the question what wikipedia notable thing is this article about? - as it is if its kept and not improved I intend to stub it to a single line. Article was the subject of a report at the BLPN - Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#J-P E. Mattila - Off2riorob (talk) 14:53, 19 October 2011 (UTC) Off2riorob (talk) 14:53, 19 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 15:47, 19 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete article, merging relevant parts to Human rights in Finland. First of all, this article is so bad it is almost funny. "Jukka-Pekka Ensio Mattila (born 13 August 1963 in Helsinki, Finland) Finnish citizen, married with three children." Talk about violation of WP:BEGINNING? But according to the more readable fi-wiki article, he might be notable, and even on multiple grounds. Before the recession and prison sentence he has been the CEO of a construction company employing 400 people and an investment company listed on London AIM, but given none of these companies have en-wiki articles I can't think they are notable, and neither would be his position as their CEO or board member. He has met some success in offshore powerboat racing, but there is not enough information to conclude whether he meets WP:NMOTORSPORT, and according to wiki-article this is a luxury sport where participation is not necessarily limited by professionalism but financial resources (i.e. a "luxury sport"). But there is some good-quality RS publicity in Finnish sources on the court cases. He might be notable as an example of where an international court has sanctioned a human rights violation in Finland, but per WP:1E it is better to merge to a larger article. --hydrox (talk) 17:45, 19 October 2011 (UTC) ed Made my 'vote' more clearer. 20:15, 1 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I totally agree, there is zero value in this article. The so called human right violation is not remarkable per se as there are dozens of similar violations confirmed due to the slow Finnish Court system. Also, for some reason some editors seem to be keen to delete all the entries stating that Mr. Mattila is a convicted criminal. It makes me think that perhaps it is Mr. Mattila himself who is lurking behind some of the usernames? --Tutkinnanjohtaja —Preceding undated comment added 04:26, 20 October 2011 (UTC).[reply]

Delete Does not satisfy WP:GNG. I checked each of the current (weak) references and external links. They show that the subject was a CEO, was involved in helping earth quake victims in Haiti, won a boat race, was alleged to have been a "fugitive white-collar criminal", and features in a primary source related to a court document. There is no claim of notability, and no known source showing the subject has some long-term significance. Johnuniq (talk) 23:08, 21 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Bushranger _{One ping only} 23:01, 26 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment A bit puzzled by the renomination. There are three users supporting the deletion of the article, and no users opposing. --hydrox (talk) 23:18, 1 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The powerboat competition is sufficient for notability, regardless of the other considerations. Whether or not it is a luxury sport is irrelevant--we cover all amateur sports as well as professional ones, and we cover them equally. The business career is possibly relevant also. Probably being the subject of a European Court of Human rights case is also, though that part will have to be rewritten, and I would be a little concerned if that were the sole notability. If there are dozens of such cases, perhaps they are all notable also; in any event, that's no reason why this one isn't. I think the delete recommendations were based upon the frankly propagandistic nature of that part of the article, but it does not mean he isn't notable, either for that , or (certainly) for other things. Long term significance is not necessary for notability in sports--once notable, always notable. We do not usually deal with POV and COI attacks on an article by deleting it, or anything controversial would find itself deleted. I think the relisting was based on the very reasonable recognition of the inadequacy of the delete arguments, and the need for some additional attention. DGG ( talk ) 04:37, 3 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep. Seems to be notable enough if it is all true (what was his involvement in the banking scandal???). But the article is a total mess, especially the lack of references. Furthermore it is overly promotional (like a résumé) and probably COI. -- P 1 9 9 • TALK 14:11, 3 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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