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Fails NEVENT. no WP:INDEPTH coverage. and IMO its, WP:TOOSOOON and WP:THEREISNORUSH — Saqib (talk I contribs) 13:03, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Crime, Terrorism, and Pakistan. Shellwood (talk) 13:34, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Terrorist incidents in Pakistan in 2024. Very rarely out of the many cases does terrorism in Pakistan get long term coverage so do what we have done with the rest and merge PARAKANYAA (talk) 13:37, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Significant terrorist attack effecting relations between China and Pakistan. And significant coverage is present. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 15:09, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • WikiCleanerMan, Every terror attack is significant but you’ve got to show how this one stands out. There have been many of attacks in Pakistan targeting Chinese interests, and most of them don’t even have standalone articles. So why is this one different? Also prove how this attack has impacted the relationship between China and Pakistan. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 16:10, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 17:25, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• KEEP I Believe the high quality sources cited, and the in-depth information featured in those articles absolutely meet the requirements for inclusion (hence the reason I went ahead and created this article). There is in-depth and significant coverage. Also: You can see just by searching "2024 Karachi Bombing" on Google. You can see that there are still significant sources covering and updating the event a day later (even ABC^[1] and CNN, and BBC, AP, etc) it would only make sense to create a Wikipedia article so that people have the facts from various sources in one place. The event is notable, it was a terrorist attack on an airport the same airport that suffered an attack 10 years prior.
• You initially moved this article from the Main-space into a draft, because "more sources needed", as you said both on the revision, and on my Talk Page, and I believe the sources I linked more than suffice, (respectfully). Gonzafer001 (talk) 17:50, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment there are attacks that have killed 10+ or 20+ people in Pakistan that did not receive lasting coverage - in fact, most of them. Pakistan has so much terrorism that any one attack receiving lasting coverage is incredibly slim, especially one this low profile. They all blow up in the news, are mentioned for two days, then never covered again. Event notability is maintained by LASTING coverage, not just coverage. PARAKANYAA (talk) 19:58, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• REPLY - I see where you are coming from, but this incident - involving an already designated and known Terrorist group Balochistan Liberation Army where they carried out an attack on Chinese investors and engineers is definitely something worth inclusion, Wikipedia is not about whether its editors support or not-support an article, it whether it's a good fit for the main-space. - Two people died in this attack which had targeted a "high-level target", even the The Chinese Embassy confirmed that the "high level convoy" included staff members from the Port Qasim Electric Power Company, a coal-powered plant developed through a joint venture between China and Pakistan.^[1]
• The Pakistan Ministry of Foreign Affairs even labeled this Bombing as a "Heinous Terrorist Attack"
• - Heinous "hatefully or shockingly evil : abominable. heinously adverb. heinousness noun."
• The Balochistan Liberation Army terror group has 3000 fighters, they themselves have a Wikipedia page.
• Though two people were killed, and 10 were injured-- There is zero question that this incident is notable, it falls under the realm of WP:SIGCOV as I have attached reliable sources of which covered the story in-depth WP:DEPTH and from a neutral point-of-view--I even went ahead and attached News outlets from WP:DIVERSE regions such as Al Jazeera, BBC, CNN, Fox News, etc, all International sources outside the WP:GEOSCOPE. All of which are reliable enough to be included on Wikipedia themselves.-- Also for WP:SIGCOV: This article does not assume, it has only listed the facts that are known, including the fact that the separatist group claimed responsibility and that their target was a high value person. This event also shows proof of WP:PERSISTENCE, obviously news stories won't run forever but this specific event has been getting continuous coverage since the story broke-- News outlets are even doing more than one article on the event.
• We have had 24 hours, the dust had settled already WP:DELAY is un-needed, hence the reason I had added WP:BREAKING to the header--We have enough info for a stub, and obviously enough news has come out in the past 24-hours to add even more information to the article.
• But I do understand where you are coming from and I RESPECT it, but we should definitely keep this on the mainspace -- or at-least consider WP:RAPID Gonzafer001 (talk) 21:17, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Gonzafer001 Many of the previous attacks have gotten far more attention than this, also involving the same factors you mentioned, and almost all failed to sustain lasting coverage. Any breaking event is going to have sigcov when it happens. Attacks that have killed 20 people and have involved established terror groups often aren't notable because they don't get long term coverage! Pakistan specifically, their media rarely covers the specific individual incidents for long. In other countries it would make sense (though making breaking news articles it is a generally bad idea) but the pattern with Pakistan is overwhelmingly 99% of attacks there do not have lasting coverage due to the frequency, similarity, their security situation and their media ecosystem. They do not get the retrospective type articles that help notability in other cases. PARAKANYAA (talk) 21:21, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

+1. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 11:05, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep and rename to 2024 Jinnah International Airport bombing. Meets WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE. This is not a routine event, but an event that has effected China-Pakistan relations. So, prime minister of Pakistan is directly overseeing the investigation and this is not normal ([1]). 175.107.246.233 (talk) 23:42, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How has this affected China-Pakistan relations? It remains to be seen whether this will receive CONTINUEDCOVERAGE; if it does, we can revisit the article. Your claim that the PM is directly overseeing this isn't new to me - every attack is significant to the PM, just like this one. --— Saqib (talk I contribs) 09:09, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge if not kept: It seems reasonable under ATD to merge the content to related articles if this one is not kept. Jinnah International Airport has a section called "Accidents and incidents" which could cover this incident. The already mentioned Terrorist incidents in Pakistan in 2024 would also be reasonable. --Super Goku V (talk) 09:44, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Super Goku V, The title is also misleading; the attack occurred near the airport, not at the airport itself. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 09:51, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    • REPLY - Direct quote from the article " a "tanker" had exploded on the airport motorway", the airport motorway is still Jinnah International Airport easement.

    Gonzafer001 (talk) 09:58, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Yes, but my understanding is that it was within the vicinity of the airport. To give an article example, we have 2024 Kansas City parade shooting, despite the fact that the shooting did not occur during the parade. Reliable sources connected the shooting to the just concluded parade. The same has happened here with sources: deadly Pakistan airport suicide blast, 'Terrorist attack' near Karachi airport, bombing that killed 2 Chinese near Karachi airport. All three articles have a focus on the airport despite the attack occurring outside of it. That is why I suggested Jinnah International Airport. --Super Goku V (talk) 10:16, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep as per above. The article definitely meets WP:NEVENT. Mister Banker (talk) 12:49, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep as per Gonzafer001.--Gul Butt (talk) 23:28, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Gul Butt and Mister Banker: This isn't a vote; you both need to clarify how this meet NEVENT. Please counter my argument with policy-based reasoning instead of simply stating that keep per XX which I consider WP:ATA. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 08:01, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Have you ever read WP:NCRIME? Mister Banker (talk) 15:08, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Mister Banker, Wait, so are you suggesting that all terror attacks are criminal acts? Fine! But that doesn't means all terror attacks are WP:IHN — Saqib (talk I contribs) 15:13, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    • REPLY - Notability has already been established. -- See original Comments - Our reliable sources attached, created WP:DEPTH articles, and each of those sources are international sources of WP: DIVERSE, neutral viewpoints. -- Each of those articles were international outlets outside the WP:GEOSCOPE as already stated above. -- Each of these outlets introduced new facts about the attack, BBC even recently updated their article to include that a vehicle-borne improvised explosive device was used in the attack. also 2 people were killed, and 10 others were injured including a Police Constable ^[1]. - The WP:PERSISTENCE was also already established earlier on.. as already stated with Multiple articles created, by Multiple reputable news sources around the GLOBE, Those articles were not one-and-done's, Follow-up articles were created, and original articles have also seen continuous updates of information. So far, Again.. I RESPECT your opinion and you are trying to articulate your point with Policy-based reasoning.. but there is a reason why you are the only person in this discussion who has opposed keeping this article on the main-space.. and you are the Original Nominator... Is this just a case of WP:IDONTLIKEIT?

      Your argument is WP:IHN - But that is also false - This was not some random person who perpetrated an Attack; It was a well established Separatist group which has over 3000 fighters (Balochistan Liberation Army). - Again--The group is well known, and WP:NOTABLE enough for itself to be included on the Main-Space. Gonzafer001 (talk) 23:45, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge to Terrorist incidents in Pakistan in 2024. Nothing presented here indicates any sort of notability for this specific incident or that it's anything more than a WP:News article. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 02:44, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Received significant coverage in reliable worldwide news sources [2]. Also it has the long lasting effects specially at Pakistan China relationship. Libraa2019 (talk) 21:38, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]