Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2018 Vienna stabbing

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. There is a basic disagreement between WP:LASTING and WP:NOTNEWS. I'd recommend waiting to see how the news pans out and renominate if necessary. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 01:18, 25 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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WP is WP:NOTNEWS. Delete it. Störm (talk) 19:23, 9 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Strong Keep. There are is international coverage of this incident. And a double stabbing attack is still exceptional in Vienna.--Greywin (talk) 19:41, 9 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Need more information. Also WP:NOTNEWS. Siddiqsazzad001 (TALK) 00:05, 10 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. An event like this is quite rare for Austria and has generated international coverage, as another user stated. Alex of Canada (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 03:47, 10 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. MT Train^Talk 00:38, 10 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. MT Train^Talk 00:38, 10 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Austria-related deletion discussions. MT Train^Talk 00:38, 10 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• WP:NOTNEWS, i'd suggest to delete... Gryllida (talk) 03:54, 10 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Expand?BabbaQ (talk) 07:16, 10 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - rare event for this country. Has recieved plenty of international and natinal coverage. WP:NOTNEW does not applyfor rare incidents for particular nations. WP:CRIME and WP:GNG pretty much covers it.BabbaQ (talk) 07:16, 10 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete WP:NOTNEWS fits perfectly. It might have received international coverage, but I doubt this coverage will be WP:LASTING. As such, fails WP:EVENT. Subject now meets WP:LASTING Acebulf (talk) 09:21, 10 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Do you own a crystal ball? In case of a No, then what you have stated above are pure speculations. WP:NOTNEWS does not apply per coverage and rare event.BabbaQ (talk) 12:30, 10 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - Rarity has never equaled notability, nor do I recall a "rarity clause" in our policies so those arguments are useless. The coverage, and the brevity of it, are the exact reasons why this falls under NOTNEWS. As of now--and that is all we are assessing--there is no lasting significance and it does not take a crystal ball to see the coverage is dwindling. Go write for Wikinews or stop creating these articles too soon in the first place.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 14:11, 10 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Cannot deny it meets WP:LASTING now. Would have saved us a lot of time to just wait a few days after the incident, but that usually is too much to ask. Keep.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 13:39, 23 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

There is still ongoing coverage. [1][2][3]... The Austrian chancellor just commented at the case: [4] So this is simply wrong. And I doubt anyone goes anywhere else as Wikipedia is the right place for well sourced information.--Greywin (talk) 18:49, 10 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per WP:RAPID. Wide international coverage of the event. Lasting impact and coverage hard to assess as the event is new, requiring a BALL.Icewhiz (talk) 19:45, 10 March 2018 (UTC) Withdrawing !vote as seems coverage did not persist past 8 March.Icewhiz (talk) 12:02, 12 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Untrue, see article.--80.156.232.139 (talk) 16:38, 13 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

7 of 11 sources are past 8 March. And there is still ongoing coverage.--Greywin (talk) 20:52, 15 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

* Keep Not only as per WP:RAPID and because of intense international coverage, but because Prime Minister Sebastian Kurz has now weighed in in a manner that makes this crime a significant part of his Party's anti-immigration policy.E.M.Gregory (talk) 23:49, 10 March 2018 (UTC) Looks like just another case of an angry migrant who failed to build a life for himself, picked up a knife, got addicted to drugs, went on a deadly stabbing spree (which included a drug dealer he blamed for his addiction and an innocent family of three), but the migrant failed even to attract more than an initial flurry of press attention. Withdraw iVote. No prejudice against re-creating article if, for whatever reason, his trial, his immigration status, or some other aspect of the case attract SIGCOV.E.M.Gregory (talk) 09:16, 12 March 2018 (UTC) see new iVote below.E.M.Gregory (talk) 00:22, 18 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Why recreate when significant coverage is ongoing. Not only the Chancellor Sebastian Kurz has weighed in, the country takes the case as a reason to change its asylum policy! If that's not significant, what is significant for you?--Greywin (talk) 20:52, 15 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per WP:NOTNEWS and WP:LASTING, "rare for this country" is simply an opinion. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 21:18, 11 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete a week and a half later, the event is still tragic, but it fails WP:NOTNEWS and doesn't seem to have any lasting impact. SportingFlyer talk 00:42, 17 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per WP:NOTNEWS. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 09:50, 17 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong Keep. There is ongoing coverage, and a change of the policy of a country is definitely a lasting impact, even if it's disliked by some. People who ignore this obviously want to ignore and delete unwanted information.--Greywin (talk) 13:15, 17 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• WP:AGF Acebulf (talk) 23:16, 22 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - An excellent case of WP:LASTING: «On 13 March the Austrian Interior Minister Herbert Kickl announced that Austria will change its asylum policy because of this and other incidents». WP:LASTING reads «Events are often considered to be notable if they act as a precedent or catalyst for something else. This may include effects on the views and behaviors of society and legislation». Also, the article clearly meets both WP:SIGCOV and WP:GEOSCOPE, with coverage cited in the United States, Germany, the United Kingdom. A clearer case for Keep is rarely seen. XavierItzm (talk) 19:55, 17 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep changing iVote in light of announced change in government policy regarding asylum seekers, described by cabinet minister as a response to this and other recent criminal acts.E.M.Gregory (talk) 00:22, 18 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Looks to be notable, especially due to the change in government policy it triggered as mentioned by other commenters. StewdioMACK (talk) 16:08, 19 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep I think the article now meets WP:LASTING. Changing !vote. Acebulf (talk) 23:16, 22 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. News-type content. If the significance of the event is a change in government policy, then write an article about that policy and mention the event. Yes, I know, it is more fun to write easily sourced news rehashes about exciting stabbings than boring, intellectual overviews of policy, but that's what distinguishes an encyclopedia from a newspaper. Sandstein 08:20, 24 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • I can't remember a guideline that demands "boring, intellectual overviews of policy" instead of articles on notable events basing on international, reputable sources.--Greywin (talk) 20:40, 24 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per WP:NOTNEWS. All murders are tragic, but not all are notable. Just because this is vaguely tied to "Islamic terror" doesn't make it notable either. I find it non-credible that this and 2018 Vienna embassy stabbing are both notable as a pretext for a minor policy change on asylum (the FPÖ already opposed immigration, etc.) power~enwiki (π, ν) 17:20, 24 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • A policy change is major and affects international relations, when even the upcoming EU presidency will be used for it.--Greywin (talk) 20:40, 24 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.