Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/R. Indira

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The result was delete‎. The delete arguments made their case. Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 05:54, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

R. Indira

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non-notable per WP:NPROF, and does not seem to be meeting WP:GNG. Mentions in secondary source such as Indian Express are running. Also, Chairs/Positions held are non-notable, with multiple department heads/chairs in a single university, mostly on a rotational basis. Publications are journals and chapters(as done by virtually all professors), not full books. Secretary position in said society is below president, and is organisational in nature. User4edits (talk) 13:56, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Academics and educators, India, and Karnataka. User4edits (talk) 13:56, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Tacyarg (talk) 19:15, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Social science-related deletion discussions. Tacyarg (talk) 08:24, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment she did receive the Indian Sociological Society Award, although I'm not sure how prestigious that is. Broc (talk) 16:29, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It might at strech be slightly prestigious, but surely not highly prestigious academic award. The subject has previously served as the Secretary of the same society. User4edits (talk) 16:35, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - according to her website, she is the author of books in English and Kannada, and the award from the Indian Sociological Society in 2022 was a Lifetime Achievement Award. Beccaynr (talk) 20:44, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
They are WP:PRIMARY sources. Secondly, almost all professors and academicians have written books. WP:NOTINHERITED. I have said about the award in my above comment. Thanks, User4edits (talk) 06:06, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. She was the president of the ISS (primary sources here and here). The lifetime achievement award seems prestigious to me. She has had two Festschrifts in her honour, according to this non-independent source; that meets NPROF 1c. I agree the evidence could be stronger, and it doesn't help that the current version of the article reads promotional and has had CoI edits, making it hard to separate notability from promotion, but for me it's over the bar. I think we are likely not finding secondary coverage in Kannada; for example, apparently she is a long-term newspaper columnist, but I'm not finding those online, and could not read them if I did. Realise those are SPS, but if they are not coming up in searches then other secondary coverage may also exist but not be coming up. Tacyarg (talk) 08:55, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As said previously, notability of ISS is not demonstrated in secondary sources. Least of the president of ISS. Next, this "non-independent" source is merely a profile of post-doc visiting scholar on a 19 year old university -- These texts put on profile-page are usually provided by the individual themselves only. Not sure that university conducted such an extensive research on her without mentioning any sources or even that is a researched profile. Which makes this "non-independent source" more of a WP:SPS. And hence does not meet WP:NPROF C1 also, as every post-doc/visiting scholar in every university has a profile page of his/her on university domain. User4edits (talk) 14:32, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Hey man im josh (talk) 15:20, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's the Festschrifts that take the article over the line for me. 1c says The publication of an anniversary or memorial journal volume or a Festschrift dedicated to a particular person is usually enough to satisfy Criterion 1, except in the case of publication in vanity, fringe, or non-selective journals or presses. Do you think the two publishers, Concept Publishing and Roopa Prakasana, are vanity / fringe / non-selective? I don't know anything about them. Tacyarg (talk) 15:42, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Concept Publishing certainly resembles a vanity publisher, considering the very wide range of topics it publishes on, including basically illiterate pseudoscientific treatises on homeopathy. I can't tell what's going on with Rupa Prakashana since its "About Us" and "How to Publish" links don't load for me. JoelleJay (talk) 06:22, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:46, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~Keep~~. She holds the Dr. B.R. Ambedkar Chair at the University of Mysore. This is a named chair dedicated to research in sociology; see https://ambedkarfoundation.nic.in/dr-ambedkar-chairs.html. This satisfies #C5 of WP:NPROF, and satisfaction of one criterion alone is sufficient. Qflib (talk) 20:44, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Qflib The reference reads: She currently holds the Visiting Professorship of the Dr. B. R. Ambedkar Chair at the University. That means she does not hold that chair. Nonetheless, chairs are far more numerous in Indian Univs than in the US or Europe, and professors could be appointed chair by rotation or mere seniority in the department. Thanks, Please feel free to ping/mention -- User4edits (T) 13:48, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the clarification. Given that, I have to change my recommendation to Delete; does not satisdy WP:NPROF. Qflib (talk) 16:42, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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