Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2015/Candidates/Gamaliel
The most important thing we can do on Wikipedia is to facilitate content creation. That means content creation by everyone, regardless of who they are or how much experience they have as an editor. Issues such as harassment and civility are not, as some would have it, a necessary part of content creation, but inhibit content creation by many current and potential editors.
The Committee has a difficult job. While it is filled with well-meaning individuals, collectively they have favored narrow decisions that focus on the behavior of a few editors while ignoring systemic issues plaguing Wikipedia and prioritize policy compliance over normal expectations of behavior in extraordinary circumstances. The Committee cannot create policy, but it can use the matters before it to address systemic issues, which many parts of the community are demanding it do.
Offline, people are energized and optimistic about the possibilities of Wikipedia. Online, the community is fractious and the environment often toxic, exacerbated by the failure to address these issues head-on. Enough is enough.
Were I to serve, my priorities will be to:
- Demand zero tolerance for harassment.
- Push for the Committee to receive professional training in mediation and harassment, funded by a WMF grant.
- Push to expand the Committee to properly handle the workload. The demands on the Committee members are high, often leading early departure.
I have been a Wikipedia editor for eleven years and an administrator for ten. I have created more than a thousand articles and I have nearly seventy thousand edits. Offline, I am a librarian and professor at a mid-sized university in the US. Wikipedia is the focus of my academic research.
I am not the perfect editor or candidate. A decade is a long time, and it is full of many examples where I could have acted better or made a better decision. Likewise, I do not demand perfection of other editors nor would I demand it of parties before the Committee. I only ask what I try to do, and that is for editors to acknowledge their mistakes and strive to do better, instead of loudly insisting that disruption is the correct path. A perfect candidate who offends no one and makes no errors avoids controversial problems, and we need people willing to attempt to solve those problems and risk making mistakes to do so, instead of standing by doing nothing.
Mandatory declarations: I will comply with all policies for dealing with non-public data and have already signed a confidentiality agreement with the Wikimedia Foundation to do so as part of my work with The Wikipedia Library. I do not recall ever doing any editing with another account.
- Gamaliel (talk · contribs · count · logs · target logs · block log · lu · rfas · rfb · arb · rfc · lta · checkuser · socks · rights · blocks · protects · deletions · moves)
Arbitration Committee Election 2015 candidate: Gamaliel
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Questions from Billyshiverstick
[edit]Thanks for taking this on. Although I totally agree that the cttee must adhere to Wikimedia policy, and is set up to enforce, or enact policy, not make it, I do believe that the "troops in the trenches" are the best people to involve in policy development. I hope if you get elected you can add this in to the debate: that Arbitration Panel members should regularly put their heads together with policymakers to try and design the system to be better in the long run. IMHO - I feel like a fair number of my edits get reverted without just cause, but there is no obvious way to get help from Wiki, and I don't have the time to engage with the reverters, so I just let it go. This is not what we want. We need to make conflict resolution easy, and that conflict resolution must be supervised. There are too many people out there who believe they own articles, or want to re-inforce their world view or personal agenda. Tx
- You wrote: "...and strive to do better, instead of loudly insisting that disruption is the correct path." Can you explain what do you mean with disruption? Please, offer some example. Thanks.
Questions from Smallbones
[edit]- Thanks for putting forward your candidacy. I'm just wondering how you'll handle the time and other conflicts with the Signpost?
- I’m very proud of the work my colleagues and I have done on the Signpost over the last year. I think the Signpost plays a vital and necessary role in the community . But publishing the Signpost and maintaining a high level of quality is incredibly time consuming. I don’t think readers realize the amount of work that is required behind the scenes, and given our recent personnel shortage, more and more tasks have fallen on fewer people, including myself. Publishing the Signpost has been a crash course in project and personnel management for me, and while I’m very happy with the work that we’ve done, along the way I’ve discovered that some of these tasks don’t mesh well with my skill set and have left less and less times for the tasks that do. Well before I decided to run, we started working on a reorganization plan to restructure the work behind the scenes and recruit more contributors. I think the Signpost can be more effective if I step back to focus on the tasks I excel at and give other people a chance to shine at the tasks I do not. In the short term, that means taking a leave of absence from the post of Editor in Chief. I will continue to participate in a minor way with some writing and copyediting, but major decisions and anything to do with election coverage will be left to Go Phightins! and the rest of the Editorial Board. In the long term, I plan to continue a lower level of participation while we recruit more personnel and step down entirely from the role of Editor in Chief once a suitable replacement is found.
- In general, does enforcing civility harm free speech? Does it help it?
- Often free speech is invoked in defense of incivility. But one can have a strong commitment to free speech while simultaneously realizing that one needs to act in an appropriate manner towards other people in certain situations. No one thinks that it is incompatible with free speech to be unable to say whatever you want, whenever you want in the classroom or workplace. You can’t discuss your sexual exploits over Thanksgiving dinner (or perhaps you can, if you have an interesting family) and you can’t insult or sexually harass your coworkers. Wikipedia should be no different.
The fact that Wikipedia is on the Internet does not excuse it from normal human mores of behavior. Many of the Internet’s most avid users are strong proponents of free speech, and I think one of the most positive aspects of the Internet is that people can indulge in almost whatever kind of speech they want and be whatever they want to be, even if that means indulging negative aspects of themselves. But they should not be able to indulge themselves in this way on every single part of the Internet, and Wikipedia is under no obligation to provide a platform for this negative behavior.
Wikipedia is first and foremost an encyclopedia, not a maximum free speech zone. We have long recognized that you cannot say whatever you want here. We forbid offensive and libelous speech directed at living individuals. We forbid using pages as a forum for non-Wikipedia opinions and material. We forbid spamming, legal threats, and posting private information about others. It is a vital and cherished part of free speech that one can say whatever you want about politicians, for example, but if you speak your mind about those politicians here on Wikipedia, your comments will quickly be deleted. It is incomprehensible to me that one can accept all these restrictions and still argue that being terrible to other editors is somehow an important component of your personal freedom.
Civility, in fact, maximizes free speech for the most number of people and furthers Wikipedia's mission of creating an encyclopedia. The atmosphere of collaborative editing is only improved when more editors feel free to contribute without being attacked or harassed.
- It's been pointed out that incivility and harassment are not precisely the same thing. What is the line between incivility and harassment? How much does incivility, when it doesn't cross the line into harassment, affect our ability to retain editors, including but not limited to its effects on the gender gap?
- Arbcom's actions have come under scrutiny from the outside press lately. Do you think the Arbcom has a role in educating reporters about cases when they come under such scrutiny, to reduce the factual inaccuracies that sometimes creep into these articles? For example, do you think that releasing statements, such as been done once on a previous case, should be considered in the future? If so, how could they be made more effective?
- Dealing with the press is always problematic, especially for non-professionals for whom this is not their primary responsibility. This is compounded by the fact that the English-language press has little experience with or knowledge of the inner workings of Wikipedia, a subject I discussed at my WikiConference panel and in a recent Signpost editorial. The statement released following the GamerGate case was especially problematic and was perceived by many as a justification for the decision instead of an explanation. Despite all of this, I am in favor of a limited engagement with the press on a strictly explanatory basis when absolutely necessary, perhaps with short, targeted statements in FAQ form that favor concise, unambiguous factual points over lengthy narratives.
- This question is optional, since candidates don't necessarily like to talk about current cases. But imagine that you are a current member of the Arbcom and you are delegated the task of writing a succinct, neutral primer for the press, of no more than a few paragraphs, on the circumstances leading to the current case Arbitration enforcement 2. Write that primer below. Do not cover or express an opinion on the proposed or actual decision, but concentrate on how you would help a reporter understand what happened before the case was filed.
- One last question. Wikipedia relies primarily on volunteer labor, and many are attracted to Wikipedia in part due to its countercultural, even transgressive nature of subverting traditional gatekeepers to knowledge. Recently there has been increasing participation by professionals from academic and cultural institutions. This is perhaps causing some angst that the community and its interactions may become "professionalized" to the exclusion of established editors. Do you feel this fear is warranted? How can volunteers and professionals with different standards of conduct be made to coexist on Wikipedia with the minimal disruption to our existing contributor base?
Questions from Gerda Arendt
[edit]Thank you for stepping forward!
- Arbitration findings and the wishes of principal editors govern the use of infoboxes in articles. If you want to win my "neutral" please say how you would close the discussion at Talk:Joseph (opera)#Restore infobox?
- In general, I do not believe that a small number of editors should be able to carve out a separate consensus in a corner of Wikipedia on an issue that affects a wide number of articles. This only encourages proxy battles on obscure articles over issues that should be decided on more widely read articles, and those decisions should be governed by the consensus of the wider community. There should be an infobox in all opera articles or an infobox in none, or clear rules describing when they are and are not acceptable. Until then, we are left with half-measures and bitter conflicts on obscure articles.
I do not understand why the issue of infoboxes has sparked such contentious debates. I studied metadata in graduate school and I recall it being a pretty dry subject. The fact that this issue has caused such fervor among a small minority means the larger community needs to resolve this matter. The Committee cannot compel them to do this, but editors who are involved in these battles should feel some obligation to direct their energies towards RFCs and other methods of gauging widespread consensus and hammering out potential policies.
In this particular discussion, I see mostly squabbling, proxy warring, and lashing out based on pre-existing grudges and little discussion based on policy, style guidelines, or reasoning. As a result, I would trout some editors and close it “no consensus”.
- Good thoughts, thank you. However, "There should be an infobox in all opera articles or an infobox in none" doesn't work, unless we have a bot that makes infoboxes for all operas. {{infobox opera}} became available in 2013, and normal humans tried to implement it, as in this case. Compare Rigoletto.
- An editor has been blocked for a month in the name of arbitration enforcement for having said that he creates half of his featured content with women. I find it kafkaesque and remember the opening of The Metamorphosis for an analogy. If you want to win my "support", please - on top of #1 - suggest improvements to get from arbitration enforcement ("not a fun place") to arbitration supervision, where such a thing would not happen. I offered some thoughts, wishing to see Floquenbeam's "no foul, play on" more often, or Yunshui's "The edit was unproblematic and actually made Wikipedia better."
- If you are topic banned from something, you generally had to do a lot of work to get there. So if you make an innocuous comment in violation of that ban, there were many more not so innocuous comments that came before that. Let’s not forget the context of such incidents or the disruptions that forced a topic ban in the first place. I am not opposed to ignoring a minor, harmless violation, but neither do I generally object to enforcing a valid ban when that ban is violated. What is the alternative? Do we have a long discussion about every violation and debate whether or not this particular comment is harmless? Would this not encourage people to violate their bans and cause this kind of disruption? What about the people who have topic bans but do not have a vocal contingent of supporters? I cannot muster outrage over a popular editor blocked for such a comment while the same people are not outraged over less popular editors blocked in exactly the same circumstances.
- All good thoughts, however no answer to my question: suggestions for a different style of AE.
- Can a case be opened without presuming that sanctions will be necessary? Do you feel that once a case is opened that impartial arbitrators will "inevitably" have to impose sanctions?
- No outcome is inevitable and Arbitrators have an obligation to review the evidence without a preordained outcome in mind. But for a case to get to the Committee, generally a lot has to happen - noticeboard discussions, administrative involvement, etc. - and if the conflict has gone through that and still has to go before the Committee, it seems likely that the conflict is so intractable or the behavior so egregious that sanctions will be the result.
- If an administrator states (hypothetically) "You will vote however you like, and I am frankly not interested in changing your mind, but you should at least be honest about why you are opposing me. At the moment, you are not", would that administrator be considered "involved" or "impartial" in any way with the editor in whose talk space he made such an edit?
- As I discussed in response to Gerda Arendt's question #2, single comments do not occur in a vacuum. Context is important and necessary to fully understanding the situation, so I would have to examine the entire conversation and know who the editors in question were and whether or not they had prior contact to be able to judge this particular situation. In general, I think that editors throw around "involvement" far too much and in ways that are not consistent with the actual policy. For example, I was recently called an "involved" party for asking editors to provide diffs to support their arguments in a noticeboard discussion. A single comment usually does not constitute involvement or indicate partiality.
- Are arbitrators under any reasonable obligation to afford editors who are out of the country on a trip, or have other substantial reasons for absence from a case, any delays in considering cases concerning them? If such a person is given only 1000 words to rebut 1000 words from each of five or more "evidence providers", is that a reasonable limit to place on the defendant, or ought the limit be raised to allow rebuttal of each such section?
- Reasonable concessions and accommodations should be made to editors whenever possible, but an Arbitration case is a long-running matter that involves multiple parties and is scheduled in advance. All of this can't come to a halt at a moment's notice because all of those other people involved also have their own schedules and obligations and vacations to deal with as well. Such concessions also run the risk of parties using absences as a tactic to avoid sanctions, as has frequently happened on Wikipedia. Arbitration cases usually involve editors who have a long tenure on Wikipedia, so in most cases finding time to write out a thousand words about something they are intimately familiar with is not an unreasonable thing to expect of them. Conflicts encourage verbosity and grandstanding, and the word limits are necessary to counteract that. I don't think it's unreasonable to grant extensions on a case by case basis, and responding to evidence from multiple parties seems like a reasonable scenario for granting such an extension, depending on the nature of the response and whether someone intends to post just diffs or a lengthy narrative rebuttal.
Optional Question from Pharaoh of the Wizards
[edit]- Is Terms of Use a policy ? Do you believe that ArbCom can sanction undisclosed paid editors if there is evidence that they violated TOU ?
- The Terms of Use have the force of policy and can be enforced accordingly.
Questions from Worm That Turned
[edit]- Hi, I'm Dave, I was on Arbcom between 2013 and 2014. I can tell you now that being an arbitrator is tough - you become a target. Comments you make will be taken out of context, your motives and abilities will be insulted, you may be threatened or harassed. Have you thought much about the "dark side" of being an arbitrator? How have you prepared for this?
- Unfortunately, I would bring a wealth of experience with this to the Committee. I have lost track of the number of times I’ve been the victim of these sorts of behaviors, on and offsite. After I blocked a minor political operative for his abominable behavior on the article of some obscure officeholder, he conducted a multi-year campaign of sometimes daily abuse and vandalism, cheered on by Wikipedia Review. (They did delete his death threat, so that was nice.) One of the achievements I’m proudest of is rewriting the article Lee Harvey Oswald from scratch many years ago. For this, I have earned the lifelong ire of the JFK conspiracy crowd as The Guy Who Is Keeping The Truth Out of Wikipedia, and I’ve been the subject of many blog posts, web pages (one of which has my face next to a Nazi flag) and even radio shows from the conspiracy press. A prominent conspiracy author even alleged that I had connections to the conspirators. And more recently, there was GamerGate. I even had a Brietbart article written about me for merely suggesting that one (apparently well-connected, as it turns out) GG troll be blocked, for once again Keeping The Truth Out of Wikipedia. So you might say I’m overqualified in this respect. If nothing else, it’s strengthened my resolve to do what I can to prevent other editors from being the victims of this kind of harassment.
- Some people believe that Arbcom should lead the community on certain issues. Do you believe there are issues that Arbcom should lead on, and what form should that leadership take?
- It can and it should. The Committee cannot set policy, but it can affirm that certain policies and principles should be enforced, setting an example for the rest of the community and empowering administrators and editors who are attacked for attempting to enforce such policies.
Questions from Guerillero
[edit]Thank you for running for the hardest and most thankless job on the project. Many of these questions are sourced from actual cases, discussions, and problems over the past year. Enjoy!
Subcommittees
[edit]- The Audit Subcommittee was created in 2009 to investigate improper tool usage of our Check Users and Oversighters. Currently, neither the community nor the committee can decide how to handle it. There have been calls to completely disband the subcommittee, transfer its role to the functionaries en banc, and extend it for another year. The current auditors terms expired on 1 October, 2015 and they have been continuing in their roles without formal authorization. What would you do about the subcommittee if you were elected to ArbCom?
- It appears that the issue here isn't who can come up with the best idea to deal with this, but getting consensus for an appropriate solution among either the committee or the community. Transferring it to the functionaries themselves doesn't seem like the right idea for reasons of transparency - functionaries investigating themselves seems like an idea designed to generate conspiracy theories - and if they aren't on board with the idea, it will only be dumping the responsibility for solving it on someone else.
- The Ban Appeals Subcommittee exists to hear appeals of community bans and long-term blocks. There have been moves to divest this role from the committee. What would you do about the subcommittee if you were elected to ArbCom?
- I guess this is a moot point now that BASC is no more. Whatever the merits and drawbacks of specific subcommittees like BASC and AUSC, the subcommittee model is probably going to be the future of the Committee. There is always - and probably should be - resistance to more bureaucracy, but the workload has long been too large for an unstructured approach.
Current Disputes and Cases
[edit]- What are your standards for banning someone from the project compared to a topic ban or some lesser sanction?
- The key difference is whether an editor's violations affect the encyclopedia as a whole or they are limited to a particular topic, interactions with a particular editor or editors, or something else of smaller scope. The seriousness of the offence must be taken into consideration as well. For example, it would have been absurd to merely topic ban Wifione from articles about higher education in India. Many editors are perfectly capable of acting appropriately in most topic areas, but everyone has their bête noire, their bugbear, a topic or personality type that affects them to the point where they can't help but act inappropriately. I'm a firm believer in wikibreaks and walking away from overheated editing conflicts, and if people can't figure out when to do that on their own, in those situations it is in the best interests of those editors and the encyclopedia that we keep them away from those topics while allowing them to work productively on others.
- Nearly every case involves violations of the civility policy in some way. At one time, a remedy call a "Civility Parole" existed but it fell out of vogue. Today, the only tools in the current Arbitrator's toolboxes to deal with civility issues are interaction bans, topic bans, and site bans. What new and creative ways would you bring to the table to solve this problem?
- I'm open to new approaches to this, but what we really need here is a commitment to the rules and principles that we have, from both the Committee and administrators, instead of constantly excusing and dismissing long-term problems in this area.
- Do you believe that the Super Mario Problem exists? How would you fix it?
- Yes, it probably does. Even if it does not, we should guard against it. The key is to view the roles of editor and administrator separately and judge a party's conduct by the standards of each.
- Do you see value in Admonishments and Warnings as remedies at the end of a case?
- Yes, I do, and I've logged several myself as Discretionary Sanctions. They can be useful to document cases of boundary pushing and other behavior that is part of a long-term pattern when the individual act isn't something that requires a ban or block. However, they should not be used to merely express the Committee's disagreement with actions taken by parties before them.
Insider Baseball
[edit]- Does the workshop serve as a useful portion of a case?
- Yes. It's always useful to hash out potential solutions before they are formally voted on and doing it publicly is good for transparency. There should be clearer rules about participation and clerks should keep a lid on the worst of it; the workshop of the GamerGate case was a circus.
Question from Biblioworm
[edit]- Do you have any experience in successfully resolving disputes, either on-wiki or off-wiki?
- Yes. Can't say how successful I've been at it in the aggregate over the years, but I always try to resolve them in the best interests of the encyclopedia and all parties involved, even if those parties are determined to be unhappy about the situation. I also have a number of years of experience as a classroom teacher, so that sometimes helps.
- In the past couple of years, the ArbCom has closed various cases, passed motions, and such. Is/Are there any outcome/s that you disagree with? If yes, which? And, what result/s would you have rather preferred? Yash! 20:19, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
- Instead of providing a laundry list of disagreements, I will just say that I think most of the missteps that the Committee have made appear to come from a myopic focus on the suboptimal behavior of individual editors and an unwillingness to deal with systemic issues and to place those behaviors in a larger context. I also believe there is too much of a focus on procedure and legalistic policy hairsplitting, which is why you get decisions which seem reasonable when looking at them from strictly a policy perspective, but are viewed by non-Wikipedians as bizarre and inconsistent with normal human expectations.
Question from User:Beyond My Ken
[edit]- Can you please distinguish between "harassment" and legitimate inquiries into the background of suspicious editors? Do you believe that such inquiries should only be limited to SPI? If so, what do you advise long-term editors with a good feel for behavioral patterns to do about questionable editors when there is no clear candidate for who the master might be?
- I think we have a perfect example with the "question" below by Snowflakw and sundry. A legitimate inquiry into the background of a suspicious editor can be brought to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations or to a noticeboard. Hounding these users around the encyclopedia, plotting against them in off-wiki forums, and attempting to hijack a prominent on-wiki forum to attack them is harassment.
Questions from GrammarFascist
[edit]- Please divulge as much of your demographic information as you are comfortable making public. Specifically: your gender, including whether you are cis, trans or other; your sexual orientation; your race and/or ethnicity; where you live (feel free to specify you live in Triesenberg if you want, but a country or continent will do just fine — even just "Southern Hemisphere" or "Western Hemisphere" is helpful); whether you have any condition considered a disability (even if you're not so disabled you're unable to work) including deafness, physical disabilities, developmental disabilities and mental illnesses, again being only as specific as you wish; and what social class you belong to (e.g. working class, middle class, etc.). ¶ If you prefer not to answer any or all of those categories, I won't count it against you. My intention in asking for this information is not to out anyone or try to force affirmative action. However, when deciding between two otherwise equally qualified candidates, I would prefer to be able to vote for more diversity on ArbCom rather than less.
- I am a straight male Hispanic able-bodied middle class citizen and resident of the United States.
- Please list at least one pro and one con of having non-administrators serve on ArbCom.
- The Committee, or any group, benefits from a variety of perspectives, and the perspective of a non-administrator would be valuable. Most Arbitrators and potential Arbitrators are long-term administrators like myself, and it's easy for us to forget what it's like to be a editor without the tools. For all its many, many flaws, RFA is an incredibly thorough vetting, so candidates who are not administrators have not been vetted as well as administrators have been.
- Thanks for responding, Gamaliel. —GrammarFascist contribstalk 01:43, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
Question from Brustopher
[edit]Hi, and thank you for running for Arbcom. These questions focus on WP:OUTING. For the purposes of these questions please assume the editors' usernames are far more distinct and unique than the ones I have given.
- User:Foo get's into an edit conflict on Wikipedia with User:Bar, and end up as parties to a large Arbcom case. Soon afterwards on reddit someone going by the username Bar begins posting lots of critical and disparaging threads about Foo. In these threads they claim to be Wikipedia user Bar. The Bar account on Wikipedia is older than the Bar account on reddit by several years, however the Wikipedia account had only really begun active editing a few years after the reddit account had been created. Foo notices these posts and complains on Bar's talk page and ANI. Bar responds by accusing Foo of WP:OUTING and claims that the account might not even be his. Is it OUTING to connect the Bar reddit account with the Bar Wikipedia account?
- The appropriate way to handle this would be to email the Committee; the Committee already regularly receives private and sensitive evidence that shouldn't be posted on Wikipedia. We should not allow outing on the encyclopedia, but we should also not encourage trolling by pretending these accounts aren't exactly what they are.
- User:Alice is a party in an Arbcom case. She is browsing the internet one day and decides to google her Wikipedia username. She finds that somebody has uploaded naked photos of another woman to a pornsite and labelled them "Alice of Wikipedia." She looks into the account that has uploaded these files and comes to the conclusion that it is owned by Wikipedia User:Bob, an editor she had clashed with heavily on wiki. In the process she also finds out his real life identity. She emails her evidence to Arbcom. Alice then decides to go to Wikipediocracy's forums, and makes a thread informing them of this porn site account. She asks them if they can guess which Wikipedia editor is behind it, and mentions that she also knows his real life identity. They independently come to the conclusion that it is User:Bob and figure out his real life identity without Alice giving the game away. Alice confirms that this is the case. Nobody in the forum finds it remotely questionable that Bob owns the account in question. In such a situation is it appropriate for Arbcom to pass a finding of fact stating "Alice posted inappropriately to an off-wiki website apparently with the objective of having the participants identify a Wikipedia editor by name." Furthermore is it appropriate for them to then use this supposed violation of WP:OUTING as part of their justification for site banning Alice?
- Why pretend this isn't about Lightbreather?
Outing is not appropriate. There needs to be a bright line here, to protect all Wikipedia editors. Outing is frequently presented with a high-minded justification, but there is seldom an appropriate justification for personalizing a dispute and bringing potential harm to a person in this matter, and condoning justifications for violating this policy only encourages others to violate it.
That said, this may be one of the few times. Usually outing is part of a campaign of harassment, but here a harassment victim was seeking assistance against her harasser. A harassment victim is, in most cases, completely on their own. It is shameful that in the last fifteen years neither Wikipedia nor the Wikimedia Foundation has developed any systematic means of dealing with this issue. The Committee can't help you, the Foundation won't help you, the police will ignore you, and getting a lawyer presents a significant financial obstacle. Given these circumstances, I could not in good conscience sanction an editor for seeking assistance against her harasser.
None of this, of course, has any bearing on whether or not this editor's other behavior justified a site ban.
Question by Müdigkeit
[edit]- How many hours per week do you plan to work on the Arbitration Committee?--Müdigkeit (talk) 19:01, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
Question by Snowflakw and sundry
[edit]- [redacted]
- First part is a simple yes/no: Is there anything in the above summary you know to be inaccurate?
- Second part I'd appreciate some elaboration: The page in question concerns the movie Super Hero Taisen. Have you seen this movie and how seriously should Wikipedia treat violations of the proxy editing policy?
- Hello and welcome to Wikipedia, brand new user.
I have redacted your question because you used it to level a serious accusation against another editor, and I will not allow you to use this well-trafficked space to cast aspersions in this manner. If anyone thinks an editor is a sockpuppet of a banned user, the proper approach is to file a report at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations.
As for the rest, here are some responses to the various questions you posed:
*I have no knowledge of what other users may have or have not said to one another about me or anything else, so I cannot attest to the accuracy of those statements. I doubt their accuracy because I hope that other administrators do not divulge what was said in private conversations with editors; certainly I will not do so, here or elsewhere.
*WP:WRONGVERSION
*I have no idea what Super Hero Taisen is, but I believe it may be some sort of "film", which is a series of images when shown rapidly in sequence creates the illusion of movement.
The banned user in question is Ryulong. I think it is in the best interests of both himself and the encyclopedia that he no longer concern himself with what happens on Wikipedia. I think Ryulong is a well-intentioned editor, but he has acted in very disruptive ways and should not be editing Wikipedia. If there are any editors who are proxy editing on his behalf, they should not do so, because they should adhere to policy and because they do Ryulong no favors by allowing him to remain attached to Wikipedia, when he really needs to make a clean break.
The real disruption currently is not some edit war on an obscure article. It's the sickening display of schadenfreude from Gamergate forums, which purposely and openly target articles that Ryulong is thought to have an attachment to. Not satisfied with him being banned for nearly a year, they seek to hound him until the end of his days, like the Furies tormenting Orestes. Since your account is part of that effort, I've blocked it as WP:NOTHERE.
- Should people who have undergone frequent and/or serious disciplinary action such as desysopping or numerous blocks be allowed to apply for bureaucratic placements in Wikipedia?
- I don't think there should be a rule against it. Voters are capable of judging a block log or past disciplinary action for themselves.
- You have been considered a "hasten the day" candidate. How does it feel knowing that some of your voters are not voting because they approve of your policies, but because they believe you are so destructive that your election to ArbCom will harm the project?
- Obviously, I disagree. I believe that voters who have the best interests of Wikipedia in mind will know that whatever I do while serving on the Committee will also be with those best interests in mind, even if they disagree with my positions or choices. However people vote and for whatever reason they do so is on their conscience, not mine.
- Should ArbCom have more or less power in dealing with administration?
Question from User:Wikimandia
[edit]- Many editors were unhappy with the results of the recent Neelix fiasco, in which the AC closed the case as soon as Neelix resigned as an admin, despite the fact that many of the issues brought up in the evidence page had nothing whatsoever to do with misuse of administrative tools or even his redirect spam, including building walled gardens and violation of WP guidelines concerning advocacy in editing. This led to accusations of a double standard for admins and regular editors. (If a non-admin had done the same, there could be no such easy dismissal as we don't have tools to resign). Neelix never acknowledged or agreed to stop any of this behavior, simply (eventually) apologized for the redirects only and then later resigned with no further comment. There was significant support for at least a topic ban at the ANI. Do you believe a topic ban or other measure should have been applied in this case?
Questions from SilkTork
[edit]Well done on putting your name forward. My questions are on your election statement. I like the ideas, but the necessity of keeping election statements short means that your priorities are expressed perhaps more as vote-seeking sound bites than the detailed thoughts of a candidate for the subtle and demanding role of a Committee member. This is your opportunity to expand. SilkTork ✔Tea time 19:25, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
- Your priority is to "Demand zero tolerance for harassment". You will be aware that the cases that come before ArbCom would not involve obvious cases of harassment (the obvious cases can be dealt with by the community under the WP:HARASS policy). Could you outline in more detail what you mean?
- You would "Push for the Committee to receive professional training in mediation and harassment, funded by a WMF grant." Again, could you put some flesh on the bones of this idea, especially why you feel it should be the Committee that gets the training on harassment when most cases of harassment are dealt with (adequately or not!) by admins on the front line?
- The Committee makes high-profile decisions that affect the entire encyclopedia, the Committee oversees the appropriate standards of behavior for administrators, and the Committee leads (or should lead) by example. We do not yet have a workable way to scale harassment training for 1,332 administrators. We can certainly manage it for fifteen people. It's all about using your resources where they will have the most impact.
- You would "Push to expand the Committee to properly handle the workload." Because you feel "The demands on the Committee members are high, often leading [to] early departure." What do you see as the advantages and problems with increasing the size of the Committee? Why do you consider increasing the Committee size is more important than decreasing the Committee workload?
- Because the solutions of 2004 are not the solutions we need to deal with the problems of 2016. We have millions more articles and thousands more editors; the old way does not scale. Reducing the workload and shifting responsibilities elsewhere - noticeboards, administrators, etc. - is a good idea, but we shouldn't pretend the workload won't keep increasing as the encyclopedia and the community gets larger and larger.
- What is your take on bullying that happens on Wikipedia? What would you think of stronger guidelines about bullying behaviors, and an anti-bullying task force made up of volunteers as a way to curb long-term problematic bullying behaviors?
- What is the meaning of being known as a "hasten the day" candidate? I've heard this phrase around but i don't know what it means. And do you consider yourself one? Thanks.
Thank you for stepping forward; your commitment to serving the community is greatly appreciated.
Please accept my apologies for the lateness of these questions.
- The en.Wikipedia community has been likened to that of a gaol (US:prison), with members of various gangs aggressively supporting each other in disputes, which are policed by trusted inmates. Do you agree with this view? If so, why so? If not, why not? To what extent are the behaviours which lead to this view enabled by AN/I, AE & ArbCom?
- Do you believe that our current processes & procedures encourage adversarial methods of dispute resolution? If so, is this a good or bad thing? If bad, what role should ArbCom play in addressing this?
- What are the advantages and disadvantages of WP:BOOMERANG? Would you support it's retention, restriction or abolition? Why?
- We see regular use of WP:DUCK/WP:SOCK to justify indefinite blocks of new editors entering contentious topic spaces, without those editors being explicitly linked to banned accounts. Is this use justified? If so, why so? If not, why not?
- In Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Palestine-Israel_articles_3#Remedies, ArbCom implemented a "500/30" limit on edits to the Palestine-Israel (the 3rd topic space in which this remedy has been used). What are the positives & negatives of this remedy as written? Would a more technical/formal implementation (akin to semi-protection) be an improvement? What other improvements, if any, might be made?
- A hypothetical editor, involved in a contentious topic space, regularly derails Talk page discussion with personal views on the subject, anecdotes of their off-Wiki involvement in the topic, epistemological first principle reasoning for exclusion of material, "hatting" of discussions, and snide attacks on new editors. Administrators have failed to address this editor's behaviour; WP:AE has failed to address the editor's behaviour. What should be done?
- Would you be prepared to recuse from 1/3rd of cases, and encourage other Arbs to do likewise, so that each case might be addressed faster, and by fewer Arbs?
Many thanks in advance for any answers. - Ryk72 'c.s.n.s.' 15:30, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
Question from User:Blackmane
[edit]- This is a hypothetical that is somewhat based on real threads that have occurred on WP:AN and WP:ANI in the past. An editor who self identifies as having a mental disability or disorder has been indefinitely blocked for a variety of violations, take your pick of edit warring, NPA, disruption, CIR, POINT, Godwin's etc, and is now seeking to return to editing. Quite a few members of the community have sought to advise this editor on why they were blocked but struggle to get the editor to understand. I'd like to hear your thoughts about how Wikipedia works with those who suffer from such disorders. This is an open ended, and deliberately vague, question that will no doubt be difficult to answer, but is more for me, and presumably other editors, to get a grasp of your thoughts. Blackmane (talk) 02:06, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
Question from Kevin Gorman
[edit]- Recently a situation came up where the gender of an editor, which had not been disclosed by the editor anywhere on-wiki, was posted on several pages. The gender of the editor given the nature of their background is a potentially quite sensitive piece of information, with potential real-life implications. With fairly extensive discussion and multiple requests to oversight the information, the decision was made not to oversight the information with the stated reason being that gender does not explicitly fall under any of the English Wikipedia's oversight criteria. In a similar situation, would you support either interpreting the oversight criteria more broadly in general, IAR oversighting a situation like this, rewriting the oversight criteria to be more inclusive, or would you choose to not oversight the information in question? (As background, according to the EFF, the triumvirate of date of birth, zip code, and gender are sufficient to uniquely identify 87% of American citizens.) Kevin Gorman (talk) 02:24, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
Question from WhatamIdoing
[edit]- You've said that you want "zero tolerance for harassment". Are you familiar with the widespread criticism of that approach in the real world? In the real world, zero tolerance results in less willingness to report problems and mindless application of punishment regardless of circumstances, scale, intention, or subsequent actions (e.g., realizing on your own that you made a mistake and apologizing). Do you believe that results like these will improve the English Wikipedia? WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:24, 3 December 2015 (UTC)