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First I have pruned this article to the absolute minimum and provided three credible references - the Financial Times, University of Oxford and the UK government.

Second there is absolutely no promotional angle here and no money, favours etc. have ever taken place. For most of its life the Venturefests have been free, sponsored by charities, government agencies and service providers. Many entrepreneurs have been helped and new businesses started.

The fact that Lord David Sainsbury, then Minister for Industry, and David Cameron, then Prime Minister, chose to support, expand and underpin the fairs, speaks to their value and significance. In Oxfordshire, the County Council has played a key role, as has SEEDA.

I believe it would be helpful and informative if a person hearing the word Venturefest had an independent reference point to find out what it is, and then consider whether attendance could be of use to them.

I had hoped that once a minimum article had been set up, members of the Venturefest community could then expand, edit and contribute to the entry.

I am at a loss to understand your reluctance to move this along. There are many, many smaller forums, events, networks which have a Wikipedia entry. Saracens2020 (talk) 12:27, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

You have yet to address the conflict of interest/undisclosed paid editing questions. Theroadislong (talk) 17:41, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

For the record I can confirm I have no financial, ownership or beneficial interest in Venturefest, neither now nor at any point in the past.

I have never undertaken any paid editing for any individual, entity with regard to Wikipedia.

My only direct connection to Venturefest is that in 2000 (could have been 2001) I gave a talk and presentation on internet business models for which I was not paid.

My interest in the fair arises because I would very much like to see a Vewnturefest in Cambridge.

Saracens2020 (talk) 17:02, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

The [edit source] button is missing at the beginning of Draft: John C. Kieffer. How to restore? Thanks. Mathman8574 (talk) 16:57, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

In edit mode along the top you should see "draft" "talk" then "read" then "edit source" this link will allow you to edit the lede section as well as all other sections. Theroadislong (talk) 17:23, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello and thank you gain for your insight - I have revised the article Phil Greiss according to your comments on references, I would appreciate your oversight on the new draft. Thank you

Hi,

Thank you for reviewing my draft. I have made some changes. Would be great if you can please review it once before submitting. Looking forward to your views and suggestions.

Thanks and regards

You have still not made the mandatory disclosure about paid editing, you need to follow the instructions on your talk page. Theroadislong (talk) 08:31, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello!

I have made further changes, so the text is from a neutral point of view. --TaruHeinonen (talk) 09:40, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi there, thank you for giving me that warning and stalking my contributions and reverting them arbitrarily. I have now posted on the article's Talk page. Do kindly explain how an academic journal article is not a reliable resource. Otherwise, I'm going to have to infer that your reversions and deletions of my contributions are arbitrary and animated by resentment and bitterness that you were called out on your passive aggressiveness. Thank you. Koikefan (talk) 08:46, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Please assume good faith. My edit on Jeremiah Lisbo here [1] removed the statement "the Philippines' largest movie production company" which was NOT supported by the given reference [2] You have since replaced the reference and another user has reverted you, you need to discuss this with them not me. Theroadislong (talk) 09:32, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

I did not replace the reference, I added a reference. If your concern was the betterment of the article and not stirring the pot and arbitrarily deleting my contributions, you would have taken the liberty to review the reference I added and you would've seen that it does back up the statement. You could have then intervened when it was reverted back, contrary to the added source. But you did none of that and simply gave a warning about an edit war (because, again, your concern does not seem to be about accuracy but merely interfering with my contributions). So please excuse me if your actions do not warrant an assumption of good faith. Koikefan (talk) 09:50, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi Theroadislong, thank you for reviewing my article about Thomas Gangl. Since this is my first article, I would like to understand the criteria for this desicion a bit more. Thomas Gangl is manager of a global acting company - Borealis has 6,900 employees and operates in over 120 countries. Why is an article about him not relevant?

Looking forward to your Feedback. Kind regards,--Lisa Kolb (talk) 08:43, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Re:Draft:Thomas Gangl (Manager) the draft only has one independent source, his own website is of no use for establishing any notability. In order to demonstrate notability, you need to provide multiple references to in-depth articles written about him in unrelated, independent journals, magazines, books or online. Theroadislong (talk) 09:45, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Ok, thank you. Of course there were more articles about him becoming the CEO of Borealis, but they only published the infos in the media release. Thomas Gangl will give more interviews the next month - is it possible to update the article with german sources (of newspapers, magazines etc.)?--Lisa Kolb (talk) 09:58, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

German sources are fine, but interviews are not considered to be independent sources. Theroadislong (talk) 09:59, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi, please try to acknowledge your own bias and steer clear from discussions that would implicate it. You and I have had clear engagements that would bias your opinion towards a third party dispute I am having, from your making passive aggressive comments at me, questioning my neutrality, and you, in a fit of pettiness, going around and deleting random contributions I have made. It is very childish of you to stir the pot and then pretend you have no bias in a discussion you choose to participate in.

WP: Third opinion: Third opinions must be neutral. If you have had dealings with the article or with the editors involved in the dispute that would bias your response, do not offer a third opinion on that dispute.

Koikefan (talk) 18:17, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

I have not edited the talk page as a third opinion and your increasingly aggressive comments are not welcome. Theroadislong (talk) 18:30, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

How are statements of fact aggressive comments? Do you deny that you have made passive aggressive comments and questioned my neutrality? Do you deny going to my contributions page and reverting various contributions I have made subsequent to be being called out on said passive aggressive behaviour? Koikefan (talk) 18:35, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

In my opinion, what you have been doing is a form of WP:Stalk. Specifically:

Hounding on Wikipedia (or "wikihounding") is the singling out of one or more editors, joining discussions on multiple pages or topics they may edit or multiple debates where they contribute, to repeatedly confront or inhibit their work. This is with an apparent aim of creating irritation, annoyance, or distress to the other editor. Hounding usually involves following the target from place to place on Wikipedia.

Please be aware of this, thank you. If this harassment continues I will bring it to the attention of an administrator. Koikefan (talk) 18:44, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Please do, but beware of WP:BOOMERANG. Theroadislong (talk) 18:47, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Will you be giving the same warning to the other editor or only to me? Because if it's only to me I can't help but come to the conclusion that you are targeting me specifically (which will go towards further proof of WP:Hounding and stalking). Thank you. Koikefan (talk) 07:46, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

 Done Theroadislong (talk) 07:52, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

thank you for the guidance

I believe it is not appropirate from a reviewer to use "just blatant advertising" feedback to a company profile that is not commerical as you claimed. Its better if you choose your words with a good feedback and recommendation or not to do that at all! — Preceding unsigned comment added by AmmarMismar (talk • contribs) 11:33, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

It is entirely appropriate. There are zero company profiles on Wikipedia, only articles about notable companies. Please also address the concerns about undisclosed paid editing. Theroadislong (talk) 11:39, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

I am an employee at that company in the marketing department, which does make sense to write about it. Can you define what do you mean by Notable? I would expect you to share a criteria created by Wikiepdia for notable companies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AmmarMismar (talk • contribs) 11:46, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

The criteria is in the blue link above and again here notable. Theroadislong (talk) 11:48, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

I added that! What else do I have to do?

Any update dear?

It looks like you have bypassed the WP:AFC process and moved the draft to main space where it has been sent to WP:AFD, the community will now decide whether your company passes WP:NCORP. Theroadislong (talk) 09:31, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

I would be grateful if you would reply to the message I left a couple of days ago in resonse to your request for further clarification:

You have yet to address the conflict of interest/undisclosed paid editing questions. Theroadislong (talk) 17:41, 20 August 2021 (UTC) For the record I can confirm I have no financial, ownership or beneficial interest in Venturefest, neither now nor at any point in the past.

I have never undertaken any paid editing for any individual, entity with regard to Wikipedia.

My only direct connection to Venturefest is that in 2000 (could have been 2001) I gave a talk and presentation on internet business models for which I was not paid.

My interest in the fair arises because I would very much like to see a Vewnturefest in Cambridge.

Saracens2020 (talk) 17:02, 21 August 2021 (UTC)Saracens2020 (talk) 10:07, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

OK thank you. Theroadislong (talk) 10:19, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello,

I would like to know how I can publish this article, The youtube video is an official conference on an official youtube channel of Tesla, I pointed others reference to reliable websites. Can you please help me to fit the expected criteria to publish this page?

Thank you

Wikipedia is not for merely providing information. A Wikipedia article must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about them, Wikipedia has litle interest in what Tesla says about it, only in what others unaffiliated with the topic choose to say about it. Theroadislong (talk) 15:33, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

=> Ok I see, I did not know about that, I will remove the Youtube reference and continue to seek for the reliable independant ones before the new submit.

What exactly do you want to achieve by deleting the redirect "Dioicy"? I think that the article Monoicous should be at the noun Monoicy or Dioicy – it doesn't much matter which, but I see no point in having both, any more than I see the point of having Monoecy for plants when there's a longer article at Dioecy. Peter coxhead (talk) 17:24, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Theroadislong, I have been working on creating an article about C-Change Conversations for a few months, and back in June you rejected the article. One of the comments you gave was that it sounded like paid editing and that I needed to address this before continuing. How do I state that it is unpaid? Thanks a lot for your help, looking forward to your response.

I was trying to include information for my band from the 1980s-- but the draft was declined, can you tell me what is needed?

It's very difficult to find online reviews from magazines. Can I attach scans of the magazine reviews? thank you, Amaury

It's not clear how Draft:Amor Fati Band pass the criteria at WP:NBAND? Discogs is not a reliable source for anything, sources do not have to be online and scans are not required just publication details. Please also review WP:COI. Theroadislong (talk) 17:51, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi, I just have a few questions. First, you mentioned IMDB, which was not cited in the article (as far as I'm aware); was this a mistake? You also mentioned the use of their website; that's an easy fix as it can just be deleted. However, you also referred to interviews not being viable as independent sources. Can you elaborate on the distinction between an interview and a profile that includes quotes? If an actor were to have a profile about them written in Vogue or GQ, and the profile quoted them, surely that would still count as an independent reliable source? The following, IMO, are profiles/in-depth coverage with original research by the independent news outlet, but which integrate quotes, and are not mere interviews: [3], [4], [5], [6], (in Tagalog) [7], (in Tagalog)[8]. I took a look at the Brad Pitt article and here are a few of the first few references in the article: [9], [10], [11]. These were all, I assume, deemed to be satisfactory independent sources, even though they are basically profiles that function also as interviews.

Koikefan (talk) 07:49, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

My apologies I mis-read the link, if you could add the extra sources you mention and remove the primary one, it should be good to go. The Brad Pitt article is irrelevant, see WP:OSE. Theroadislong (talk) 08:37, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Done, thanks for checking. Koikefan (talk) 08:55, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

• Matroot (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Tom Faulkner (businessman) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Matroot (talk) 12:22, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi theroadislong

THanks for the comments on Tom Faulkner. I am his brother but not part of the business nor being paid for the wiki entry - just helping write copy. Even so, I get the feeling that maybe he is not a noteworthy subject. If that is so, please could you put me out of my misery!!

THanks Matt (matroot)

Matroot (talk) 12:22, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

I think you are probably right, notability is judged by looking at the depth of coverage in independent, reliable, secondary sources and if there aren't any then it's WP:TOOSOON. Theroadislong (talk) 12:33, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello!

I have now edited my draft and read it multiple times, and can see no reason why it should not be published. All sources are independent and the article is from a neutral point of view. --TaruHeinonen (talk) 12:11, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

I have declined three times, I will leave it for another reviewer to take a look. Theroadislong (talk) 12:35, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

So you just rejected my first article (Net Savings Link) for not being notable. The subject is being reported on by the Wall Street Journal, Bloomberg, CNN, etc. That does not seem to me to be a "passing mention." I also saw that someone says I have a "close connection with the subject." I have no idea where this comes from. I know of it because I'm into investing and think only the second US publicly traded company with a crypto exchange is notable. I've wanted to write a Wikipedia article for some time but there was never anything "new" I could think of. How can I make this better? Joelsalinger21 (talk) 17:35, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Yes, I am aware of this. I had many such sources (books in fact) as "reliable sources not the biographee" in an earlier draft. However a different editor unilaterally removed them and said they were not allowed. Editors seemingly contradict each other? Mathman8574 (talk) 17:28, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

I'm not seeing in the draft history where this occurred? Wikipedia actively relies on independent reliable sources for all articles. Theroadislong (talk) 20:09, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Sources are in the external links. Mathman8574 (talk) 17:08, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Sources need to be in line following the content that they support for biographies. Theroadislong (talk) 17:10, 26 August 2021 (UTC) Why not further down the page? Initial exposure in high-level language, details

further down.Mathman8574 (talk) 17:31, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Sorry I don't understand what you men by "Initial exposure in high-level language, details

further down"? All content in biographies requires in-line citations to reliable sources, the draft will not be accepted without. Theroadislong (talk) 20:40, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

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hi/ whats wrong with my article? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Parallel_Finance I rewrite all )) i dont no what you want)

hi. again ) (sorry ) LA Post, executive.berkeley.edu, www.entrepreneur.com, bloomberg and coindesk reliable sources?

are you here?) I corrected the article, as you asked, with other, more reliable sources of information

I will leave it for another reviewer, please remember to sign you talk page posts with 4 tildes. Theroadislong (talk) 18:31, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Oh, sorry, I'm just trying to write articles about startups and young entrepreneurs for the first time, so far it doesn't come out very well. Thank you for your understanding and help!--EDS2020 (talk) 18:34, 27 August 2021 (UTC) Can't you check it out ? Do I have something missing in the article? It's just not clear how long to wait and whether another reviewer will come )--EDS2020 (talk) 18:42, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Three different editors have now said three different things! I know you don't like 'selfies' I am referenced thousands of times on Wikipedia for my books cited frequently so it makes sense to have an article about who I am... as someone who often uses Wikipedia to research others its a frustration when there is no entry to someone whose work is often quoted by wikipedia.

One editor asked it to go to draft and another reviwed it and said he would let it be published!

Your autobiography Draft:Bo Beolens has zero chance of being accepted as it is. Your draft has zero reliable independent sources, independent sources are what we base articles on NOT primary sources. A Wikipedia article about a person must summarise what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about them, showing how they meet Wikipedia's special definition of a notable person. Theroadislong (talk) 12:27, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello Theroadislong,

My name is James. I am the person who is working on the Robert Langford Page. He was the Mayor of Hotham Hill, North Melbourne, Australia. He also worked as counsellor of that city also. He died in 1915. The sources I have used are from the Hotham History Society and an Age Article called "Home is where the history is", there also many External links such as; old newspaper from trove (national library of Australia), PDF from the Melbourne website and also a catalogue of a book that is published about him in the national library of Australia. I was wondering what do I need to edit or implement to get the page working?

Thanks, James.

You need to suggest how Draft:Robert Langford meets the Wikipedia definition of a notable person, being a mayor and a councillor is not sufficient. Theroadislong (talk) 12:28, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

There is a 153 page book written about him. There are sources (I wouldn't say they are top, but it is from real Australian newspapers and articles), Reliable; because these sources do say he was mayor and a councillor. But if you say so... :)

Is it true that anyone can review new pages even if they don't have the special permission? This is for my edification and has nothing to do with you other than I see you around and know that you have the permission. Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:00, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

I think anyone can be a new page reviewer, but perhaps you mean a reviewer at WP:AFC in which case the criteria is listed here Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Participants. Cheers Theroadislong (talk) 14:06, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

I'm not sure what I mean, that's the problem. It seems odd to have a special permission but at the same time not require an editor to have the permission to perform the task. For example, rollback is not available to editors without the permission. I've now read Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Reviewers and Wikipedia:New pages patrol, and it seems like a clash of policy and practice. Ah well, it's not the first time. Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:29, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi there! Thanks for looking at my draft. I was wondering, how can I improve the page so it can be published? Jep was one of the 4 main cast members of Duck Dynasty for the majority of its run, he had his own spinoff, and has published several books. I appreciate your time once again. --NJ9hnston (talk) 16:09, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

As the decline says you need significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject. Most of your content is unsourced. Theroadislong (talk) 16:11, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

I gotcha. I’m new to Wikipedia and was hoping someone could help me source it. There are plenty of sources for him, and his co-stars on Duck Dynasty have their own pages on here. NJ9hnston (talk) 21:06, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

If I give you the url to the sources on here, could you help format them onto the page? I can provide them for you. NJ9hnston (talk) 21:17, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

NJ9hnston You can learn more about how to cite sources here WP:REFB. Theroadislong (talk) 21:26, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

That was very helpful. I resubmitted the article. It is modeled along the lines of his brother Jase Robertson's page, so I believe it should be accepted based on that standard. Thanks. --NJ9hnston (talk) 14:10, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Theroadislong,

When you move a page from the main space of the project to Draft space or User space, please remember to tag the original page for speedy deletion (CSD R2). Thank you for all you do, every day I come across your work! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:29, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

Sorry about that, will try and remember in future. Theroadislong (talk) 06:25, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

added reference section

I think you made a mistake in categorically stating that Sai Baba's manifestations are sleight of hand. You cite texts that state this but there are many sources who think the opposite. I am not suggesting you state that Sai Baba's materializations are divine but neither can you state they are sleight of hand because you found those claims in some book that is no more authority than you or I. Many things are stated in books. This does not make them facts. I am not altering any other part of your entry. But your categorical claim that Baba's manifestations are sleight of hand is not scientifically verifiable.

I think it is you that has made a mistake? I have never edited Sathya Sai Baba as far as I am aware, check the edit history. Theroadislong (talk) 16:13, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

You spelled "nowhere" wrong

Thank you, I have corrected it, please remember to sign your posts with 4 tildes. Theroadislong (talk) 16:11, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello sir, can you please help meHimanshu7777 (talk) 15:36, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

can you please reply. Himanshu7777 (talk) 16:41, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

You have not asked a question? But I guess you are referring to Draft:Md. Shahjahan Shamim, IMDb and Wikitree are not reliable sources and there is no indication that he meets the criteria at WP:NSINGER. Theroadislong (talk) 16:53, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks sir for your reply, sir i removed this three references, can you please help me which reference is suitable for this page Himanshu7777 (talk) 20:03, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Himanshu7777 References which discuss him in-depth are what is required but you have still notsuggested how they pass the criteria at WP:NSINGER, can you suggest how they do? Theroadislong (talk) 20:09, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks sir for reply. please sir give me time i will more research about him, sir secondly i have another questions spotify, youtube music, apple, itune are good reference?? Himanshu7777 (talk) 21:16, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

No, none of them are suitable, they are primary sources not secondary. Theroadislong (talk) 21:19, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

sir please check following link: https://g.co/kgs/KgRof6 this song list not generated by artist. http://www.itunescharts.net/us/search/?query=Shahjahan+Shamim https://digsty.com/search/?qf=network:twitter%20country:bd%20category:musician https://digsty.com/search/?qf=country:bd%20category:influencer https://www.shazam.com/track/580470391/dynamite Himanshu7777 (talk) 20:14, 26 August 2021 (UTC) Sir please check following link also https://popnable.com/bangladesh https://www.yolodaily.com/we-should-change-the-pattern-of-music-videos-shahjahan-shamim/ https://www.yolodaily.com/success-story-of-a-multi-talented-musician-and-author-in-bangladesh-shahjahan-shamim/ https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=AOaemvKhuPoc6IBpq2_k5uwz2IZmHXnWbQ:1630095727288&q=Shahjahan+Shamim&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAONgFuLSz9U3MCqqyshIU-LVT9c3NEwziLessqwy0VLPTrbST00pTU4syczP0y_NyyxLLSrOLKm0yssvSUzKSVVIzCnNzct8xBjGLfDyxz1hKd9Ja05eY3TnIlankAQXm2teCVBCiE-KhwvJLVZMGkw8i1gFgjMSM7ISMxLzFICs3MzcCWyMAN9oiYW1AAAA&sa=X https://www.jiosaavn.com/s/playlist/f74a106e1893cd7dda0cb34f6fef41c3/The_Hot_200_Chart_%7C_jiosaavn/FmA3UgIjpYIwkg5tVhI3fw__ Sir please check hia songs was streaming in I heart radio. https://www.iheart.com/artist/shahjahan-shamim-36461133/

 Himanshu7777 (talk) 20:25, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Sir please check and please approved this page.Himanshu7777 (talk) 20:01, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Himanshu7777 I have checked yet again and you have still not shown how they pass the criteria at WP:MUSICBIO. Theroadislong (talk) 20:12, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks sir for your reply. I have checked and researched about him, he passed two points, one is his songs are released with major record label named Republic Records, another his name is in Bangladesh music chart Himanshu7777 (talk) 20:01, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

But the article doesn't say this? Content has to be reliably sourced in the aticle first! Theroadislong (talk) 20:05, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

No sir without your permission I will not re-submit this page again. Sir please check this song https://music.apple.com/us/album/peaches-single/1582840124 ubder this single we can check the record label name. the record label name is Distrokid. Recently Distrokid contracting with Republic Records. So artis from distrokid can use Republic record label. I have talked with this singer he already applied to change record label name to Republic Records and his new three songs will be released under this records label. https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/distrokid-launches-worlds-first-matchmaking-service-for-unsigned-artists-and-labels-republic-records-named-as-first-label-partner/#:~:text=Republic%20Records%20%E2%80%93%20home%20to%20Ariana,data%20with%20approved%20record%20labels https://completemusicupdate.com/article/distrokid-launches-new-ar-service-upstream/ Secondly please check this url he is Bangladeshi top singer list https://popnable.com/bangladesh/artists/88711-shahjahan-shamim https://www.jiosaavn.com/s/playlist/f74a106e1893cd7dda0cb34f6fef41c3/The_Hot_200_Chart_%7C_jiosaavn/FmA3UgIjpYIwkg5tVhI3fw__ Himanshu7777 (talk) 21:38, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Please understand that Wikipedia requires in-depth, significant coverage of the person in independent reliable sources, Apple music is a primary source, and anyway unless you add the content to the draft this discussion is pointless. Theroadislong (talk) 06:46, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello sir, I have resubmitted the article again with references. please sir check this page again. as a proof for record label please check apple music links too below of the songs the label name is there Himanshu7777 (talk) 21:33, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi, this draft keeps getting re-submitted without improvement; I am 99.9% certain that it has been previously been submitted in an identical format (there are some corrections in ths source I recognise) by an account with a similar user name. I recall it being declined, rejected and (maybe) deleted by several editors of whom I 'think' you were one. I cannot find anything in deletion logs or contribs. Any clues? There's obviously some 'manipulation' going on. I will reject it (pro-tem). Cheers. Eagleash (talk) 13:23, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

I have no recollection, but it clearly doesn't meet WP:GNG reject seems to be the next step. Theroadislong (talk) 13:30, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

Ah; oh well, not to worry! Thanks anyway. Eagleash (talk) 13:36, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

	The Content Review Medal & The Gold Wiki Award
	Congratulations! You have earned The Content Review Medal and The Gold Wiki Award for getting the highest score during the WikiProject Articles for creation July 2021 Backlog Drive. You reviewed an outstanding 1388 drafts. Thank you for your work to improve Wikipedia! On behalf of WikiProject Articles for Creation, Enterprisey (talk!) 00:15, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

I get the all information from the independent new source also websites where they talking about the Sheru who knowing now sheru photography. Also, I apologize because I get some of points from the medium so, there I fixed text which totally unique from, my side such as Hindu told about sheru students from butterflies mentioned in his work. So it's totally independents. and authentic infomation in article.

It looks like your draft Draft:Sheru photography was deleted for the 7th time, it now requires administrator access because it was repeatedly recreated, the topic is not notable in any case. Theroadislong (talk) 10:57, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi, I have included a reference from a prominent Indian magazine, Outlook Business, that has significant coverage on the company. This article covers the history of the company, its current business. I have also included another Indian magazine, The Week that had some more coverage on the company's R&D There is also a news report by Reuters that talks about the corporate demerger that formed this company. Are these not considered to be sufficient coverage for notability? From my understanding, these are significant coverage that are also independent, reliable, and secondary. Please let me know what else I can add that can get this draft approved.

Edit: This is also a publically traded company that is also frequently covered by financial news outlets. Should I also include independent press coverage and analyst reports of the stock?

Your draft was rejected, there is nothing more you can do, except give back any money that you have been paid to edit. Theroadislong (talk) 13:07, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

	The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
	Thanks for editing all of these pages. A 100,000 Is a a lot of edits! The furret lover (talk) 18:21, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi Theroadislong,

I'm the one submitting the Vietcetera Media's article for approval. I've just learned that the article has been rejected because:

1/ It's not written in neutral tone. 2/ Problems with sources.

If possible, can I please have a minute of your time to clarify these problems, especially: why is it not considered "neutral tone" but an advertisement?

For sources, I have used a variety of sources, from leading media companies in the world like The New York Times and CNN, everything has been referenced properly. Most of the people mentioned in the article have a Wikipedia page (either in English or in Vietnamese) - and I also made sure to include those in the article. Can you help me clarify this as well?

Thank you so much for your time, and if possible, could I get a bit of advice on how to make the article better, as well as other tips on what to do to get it approved?

Best regards, Joey Nguyen.

The whole draft is advertising from start to finish. perhaps you need to read WP:YFA and be sure to declare any conflict of interest. Theroadislong (talk) 10:29, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi Theroadislong, I've made a ton of revisions to the self-care page and I'm still in the middle of making those changes. My students prepared the original page and it was a real mess! I've now reorganized it to be logical and I'm in the midst of adding references and content. I stopped yesterday to complete a set of training modules. I'll get back to it again in the next day or two. Thanks for the tip on learning about references. I'll look at that. More to come!! Barbara

Hi again, I just opened the self-care page again and my changes are gone! Help! Please give them back to me so that I don't have to start over!!

Your edits to Self-care removed referenced content and replaced it with unreferenced content, every substantial fact you add requires a source or it will be reverted. You can view your edits by clicking the view history tab. Theroadislong (talk) 17:41, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello There, Actually is not a paid content or advertisment. It's just info from the company. Could you give me further information on what's missing or what should I leave out?

Thanks— Preceding unsigned comment added by IncrentaWiki (talk • contribs) 15:36, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia has essentially no interest in anything the company has to say about themselves. It is only interested in what people who have no connection with them have chosen to publish about them. The article should be limited to a summary of what such independent sources have said about them and will need to pass the criteria at WP:NCORP before being accepted. Theroadislong (talk) 17:44, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello Theroadislong. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of James Robert Hornsby, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: based on the links and the comment there, I assume this was written by a relative but not copied. The newspaper source mentions him 14 years after his death as having built half the buildings in the town, so some significance is indicated. Try AFD instead. Thank you. SoWhy 12:12, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your help there. I'm not as well-versed in edit requests. Hope he's able to proceed as otherwise this is unworkable, unfortunately. Star Mississippi 16:22, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for providing feedback on Tag24 The article is a translation of https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tag24 I have inserted one reference. (like on the German version). Is this enough? Or should I add more? Maybe this: https://meedia.de/2018/02/08/ivw-news-top-50-deutsche-online-nachrichtenangebote-so-populaer-wie-nie-zuvor-visits-rekorde-fuer-bild-upday-welt-zeit-stern-und-f-a-z/? Do you have other advises to make it better? I appreciate your help

Best regards, Helena

This is the English Wikipedia there are quite different guidelines for acceptance here, you will need at least three high quality reliable sources that discuss the company in-depth, see WP:NCORP for the criteria. Theroadislong (talk) 17:11, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi, i am splayer, the creator of the draft floating sandbox. you recently reviewed my draft and declined it because of few reasons. one of the reason was that it sounded like advertisement, can you please tell what part of it sounded like advertisement? Splayer28410 (talk) 08:27, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

The whole draft is an advertisement, starting with the external link to their own website, you have misunderstood how Wikipedia works.

Wikipedia summarises what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about a topic, showing how it meets Wikipedia's special definition of a notable topic. Theroadislong (talk) 08:41, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi, thank you for reviewing my page. I read that using an organization's website for basic info like a mission statement or notable board members was acceptable. The majority of the sources I used were not from the organization's website, and I think I only cited it for the basic info I mentioned before and a few of the smaller projects they are working on. If I delete those smaller projects (or find independent sources for them) can I still cite their website for basic info? I don't think the article hinges on their inclusion, so if I need to delete it, would that then solve the issue? Thanks!

Your draft is absolutely stuffed with inappropriate promotional prose "DRP is focused on solutions, things that work. We seek out the most appropriate and effective practices" "DRP recognizes the power that radio can have in a community and in supporting development efforts." "DRP focuses on understanding and evaluating the stations with which it partners and tailors its approach to meet the stations’ needs." "DRP has trained more than 1,500 journalists around the world" We have no interest either in what founder Siemering has said in interviews. You are going to really struggle to get this draft accepted. Theroadislong (talk) 17:59, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for saying this, my original draft was heavily edited before submission and most of those were added in that process despite my advice not to. I'm having trouble understanding how the 1,500 journalists number or quoting the founder of NPR is inappropriate for an organization training and supporting radio journalists. I'm also wondering if my previous comment about where citing an organization's website would be appropriate (basic org info) is correct.

"DRP has trained more than 1,500 journalists around the world" is sourced to their own website and will need an entirely independent source, we have very little interest in what the founder has said either I'm afraid. Reliable independent sources are what will get the draft accepted, you would be better advised to remove everything sourced to them or their founder and start from there. Theroadislong (talk) 18:41, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Okay, thank you very much. Sorry for any inconvenience.Noahpdoty (talk) 19:37, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

• Shujakhan88 (talk · contribs)
  • User:Shujakhan88/sandbox (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi there, its a plain submission of fact about a product and data destruction tools. WIKIPEDIA has numerous pages of product and software to help the public know about such tools and companies who provide the same. Can you please let me know which part should I delete, rewrite or modify. Please help on this.

Thanks.

Shujakhan88 (talk) 07:13, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello.

Thank you for your help with my article, Phillip Kane.

I am trying to follow the guidelines to meet approval.

In looking at an approved article for Anne Helen Petersen, I'm having a hard time understanding what is preventing approval of the Kane page.

Can you please help me understand more specifically what changes need to be made to meet with your approval?

Thank you very much.

Veritasestpotentia (talk) 20:26, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

• Veritasestpotentia (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Phillip Kane (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hello.

Thank you for your help with my article, Phillip Kane.

I am trying to follow the guidelines to meet approval.

In looking at an approved article for Anne Helen Petersen, I'm having a hard time understanding what is preventing approval of the Kane page.

Can you please help me understand more specifically what changes need to be made to meet with your approval?

Thank you very much.

Veritasestpotentia (talk) 20:28, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Veritasestpotentia (talk) 20:28, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Per my comment on the draft “Blogs, Linkedin.com and Goodreads are not reliable sources and will need replacing” The fact that other poor quality articles exist like Anne Helen Petersen is not a good reason for creating another, see other crap exists. Theroadislong (talk) 20:35, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

I am not directly or indirectly paid financially or in any other way for the creation of this article. I was researching the trueness and notability about this topic, so I presented my research outcomes. I am also going to submit more articles based on my free research hobby. Thanks

Please note you are editing using a name (Drgasajid) VERY clearly connected to RTEUrdu News as anyone can see. Please make the required disclosure Theroadislong (talk) 07:19, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Why my created draft has been deleted https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Brij_Kishore_Sharma_%22Tara%22_(poet)/sandbox I know about it is wrong to make autobiography but see references as references he is notable because of his name in many newspaper articles so I want to know where is problem Is there is problem in References or there is problem in the subject or there is problem in my writing and I want to know how to make that article more better to get his name in wikipedia.

It looks like it has been taggged for speedy deletion because it was created by a banned or blocked user (HARSH VARDHAN SHARMA "TARA") in violation of the user's ban or block, with no substantial edits by others. Theroadislong (talk) 15:37, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much for reviewing Draft:David Bannett. I have added inline citations and sources, as you requested. Would you please go over them and approve the article? Thank you very much,

MordechaiLando (talk) 06:56, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

 Done. Theroadislong (talk) 07:01, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

• Masil64 (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:DevTEd Lite (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi, I need your assistance. I can't understand why my submission was declined (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:DevTEd_Lite).

The reason was: "This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject. Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia."

So, as far as I can understand my lacks some references from reliable sources. Why? The draft contains 2 different URLs: 1- the URL of the software manufacturer's site (ninjasoft) 2- the URL of an independent site that posts a review of the software (softpedia)

Where's the catch? Thank you.

Masil64 (talk) 10:44, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

You have misunderstood how Wikipedia works. Wikipedia summarises what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about a topic, showing how it meets Wikipedia's special definition of a notable business. The software manufacturer's site is not independent so of no use. you will need at least three independent reliable sources that have covered the business in-depth. Theroadislong (talk) 10:50, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi @Theroadislong:, How did you know that this Draft:Wellspring Teen Centre draft article is paid editing? Please tell me. Fade258 (talk) 11:03, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

A simple Google search. The creator is editing using their own name. Theroadislong (talk) 11:06, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi Theroadislong, I´ve added some references to my article about Thomas Gangl - could you recheck it? Looking forward to the publication (since the German Article about him has been made public without any challenges)--Lisa Kolb (talk) 12:11, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi there! I've been careless at Marcus Lyon and draftified it without checking the history properly. If I had, I'd have seen that you'd accepted the draft and would have left it alone – I trust your judgement more than I trust my own. So my apologies for that oversight/unintentional rudeness on my part. If you still feel that the page really belongs in mainspace do please go ahead and move it back. The page creator won't be able to do that or submit the draft, as I've indeffed that account – named for a company run by (surprise, surprise) Marcus Lyon, as you'd presumably already noticed. Big apology, regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 12:47, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

That's fine, it was a borderline acceptance and soon as I had accepted it I began to feel it was a mistake.Theroadislong (talk) 12:53, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Hey hii, Can you help me with the issue on the page Umesh Kaushik. How to remove the deletion template. Because there is no issue for deletion this article.

The deletion template cannot be removed, but you can comment on the discussion here Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Umesh Kaushik. Theroadislong (talk) 14:33, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello Theroadislong, thank you for responding to my inquiry about my articles.

I am not being paid to draft these articles in promotion of anyone. I am however employed by an organization that supports BIPOC artists in my community. I am fearful disclosing the name of the entity supporting my edits, as I have been alerted that BIPOC editors have a history of being Doxxed on Wikipedia.

I am wondering what best practice would be for solving this conflict, and how we can move forward.

Thanks, Anitepres

You have stated elsewhere that "The articles were written by neutral third parties, and I have been paid to upload them to Wikipedia" you are therefore deemed to be a paid editor and you need to make the mandatory disclosure on your user page. As for your assertion that "BIPOC editors have a history of being Doxxed on Wikipedia" I have in 15 years of editing here, every single day, not come across this. Theroadislong (talk) 18:50, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your promtp responses! I have disclosed my employer in the user page as requested. How do I go about removing the paid editor flag from my articles --Anitnepres (talk) 19:01, 16 September 2021 (UTC)Anitepres

Hello, You wrote "press releases and Discogs are not reliable sources" And you are generally right about that. Only in this case is the press release obviously from an important German independent record company that clearly takes a stand against (!) Abortive Gasp and does not advertise the band at all. So it's a rather unusual press release that I think is worth mentioning. Thanks very much--Electroindustrial (talk) 20:46, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Hey Theroadislong,

Sorry for some of the issues I presented. That is definitely NOT my intention. I'm not sure how to mark that my music was on The Weather Channel without YouTube. There are some fan pages that list all the music. I have a heavy presence with Pandora Radio at 3.1 Million spins. Also, I have a verified account on Instagram.

I realize that you are inundated with millions of crap hourly on Wikipedia and I applaud you keeping your volunteering to make it what it is. I just need some help to get the page to follow the rules. It's very hard to follow everything. I assure you I did not attempt to just throw a page up there :-)

-Matt Fury

As an encyclopedia, Wikipedia summarizes information that appears in independent reliable sources with significant coverage showing how a person meets Wikipedia's special definition of notability You need to show how they pass they pass the criteria at WP:NMUSICIAN.Theroadislong (talk) 14:54, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:N%26H_Research_Park

please kindly check again once, some links and data added

Sorry still no indication that they pass WP:NCORP. Theroadislong (talk) 18:40, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

• Canestine (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Nokia 6340i (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

How do I add sources? Canestine (talk) 23:21, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

For future reference help see WP:REFB but there is already an article on this phone here Nokia 6310i. Theroadislong (talk) 07:08, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

could you accept my draft please? i worked really hard on the biography. please and thank you! <3 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ericteehee (talk • contribs) 04:15, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Twitter and spotify are not reliable sources and the draft was rejected, meaning it will not be considered further, sorry.Theroadislong (talk) 07:11, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi @Theroadislong:, Can you review any BLP article upon request ? Please tell me. Fade258 (talk) 13:17, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

I could, but I would rather choose which ones to review myself. Theroadislong (talk) 14:42, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi @Theroadislong:, Why on Wikipedia can not create Miss Grand International articles.
Dan Earth (talk) 07:00, 19 September 2021 (UTC) Dan Earth (talk) 07:00, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Dan Earth Looks like it is WP:TOOSOON to create Miss World 2022 as it hasn't happened yet. Theroadislong (talk) 07:45, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Theroadislong If that I know, it's been a candidate Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Miss World 2022, but what I ask about Miss Grand, because Miss Grand the level is the same as Miss Supranational

Sorry my mistake, but the Miss Grand article already exists? Theroadislong (talk) 08:17, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

The competition per year, which I see just draft only. Does the Miss Grand article are not worthy in Wikipedia? Or why! Thank you

The draft Draft:Miss Grand International 2021 hasn't been submitted for review yet? Theroadislong (talk) 08:55, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Please let me know what wrong links I have put, for example the first listing of Blancco is referenced to their own product website (external link), which is what was followed for BitRaser. Please let me know. I really seem to be having tough time understanding this. Its really getting painful now.

Canestine (talk) 20:26, 19 September 2021 (UTC)On my draft for the Nokia 6340i, you left a comment saying that the page exists. I am talking about something else, not the 6310i.Canestine (talk) 20:26, 19 September 2021 (UTC)