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Romance peoples

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A WP:POVFORK page for a contentious topic. The exact relationship between different peoples who speak Romance languages is conceptualized differently in different countries, yet this page presents it as a sort of primordialist ethnic "kinship", super-ethnicity, or "ethnoclub". Yet at the same time, mysteriously, Romance speaking ethnic groups in the Americas are excluded. This is not "the Truth", it is but one of many rival POVs, and it clashes with rival views such as French civic nationalism celebrating the contributions of those of immigrant origins, various views that emphasize the non-Latin origins or influences of various Romance speaking groups, as well as non-static views of ethnicity. We have discussed this on Talk:Romance peoples and with one dissenter we all seem to agree the page is quite problematic. The list of "Romance peoples" meanwhile is far from a majority view ("Savoyards" are presented as some stateless people, yet Moldovans are presented as Romanians). All of these Romance peoples are said to have origins "traceable to the process of Romanization, which was carried out through the expansion of Ancient Rome", yet in many cases this is rather dubious as Romanization happened after the Empire collapsed. Worse of all, the sourcing relies on Minahan and Pop, who clearly represent a very specific viewpoint on the matter (Minahan in the same publication presents Californians as a "stateless nation" -- one of many examples I could pull). Calthinus (talk) 17:59, 1 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Language-related deletion discussions. Calthinus (talk) 17:59, 1 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ethnic groups-related deletion discussions. Calthinus (talk) 17:59, 1 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Social science-related deletion discussions. Calthinus (talk) 17:59, 1 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]