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== subclass of first-level administrative subdivision ==
<small>({{Ping|Arctic.gnome}}, who added the statement.)</small>

This item has the statement {{statement||279|13220202}}. I don't think this is correct. A federation could itself be a first- (or second-, or third-, etc.) level subdivision, making the federated state not a first-level subdivision. --[[User:Yair rand|Yair rand]] ([[User talk:Yair rand|{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}]]) 12:35, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
:Fair enough, I'll remove it. I guess there are no statements we can make about these five items that would apply to every country. --[[User:Arctic.gnome|Arctic.gnome]] ([[User talk:Arctic.gnome|{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}]]) 19:11, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
::[[User:Infovarius]] has now re-added it. {{Ping|Infovarius}} Could you please explain your reasoning? --[[User:Yair rand|Yair rand]] ([[User talk:Yair rand|{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}]]) 17:11, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
::: Sorry, I didn't see the discussion. I've reverted the addition. [[User:Infovarius|Infovarius]] ([[User talk:Infovarius|{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}]]) 19:34, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

== [[Q3184121]], [[Q7275]] e [[Q107390]] ==

{{ping|Andreasmperu}} olá! Você falou que {{Q|107390}} não pode ser {{P|279}} de {{Q|3184121}}, porque {{Q|3184121}} não é um {{Q|7275}}. Logo, percebo que o erro está em pôr {{Q|107390}} como {{P|279}} de {{Q|7275}}, pois não é soberano, nem nada do tipo, já que está inserido num contexto de uma federação, sem prerrogativas clássicas para as relações internacionais. Assim, {{Q|107390}} deve ser {{P|279}} {{Q|1048835}}, que é mais adequado. Assim, a minha edição fica logicamente certa e o item {{Q|107390}}. Certo? --[[User:Luan|Luan]] ([[User talk:Luan|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:39, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
:This item is about actual federated states, as per most or all of its sitelinks. If some of those sitelinks do not match, those should be split off into a separate item. The Portuguese Wikipedia article appears to be about "federal entities" in general according to Google Translate, so perhaps that should be split off, assuming the class is actually different in some way. --[[User:Yair rand|Yair rand]] ([[User talk:Yair rand|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:23, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
:: {{ping|Yair rand}} a separação é desnecessária tanto quando criar um item separado para as "províncias federadas" da Argentina ({{Q|44753}}) ou as "repúblicas federadas" da Rússia ({{Q|41162}}), por não serem designadas como "estados". O item é genérico por si mesmo e se refere a qualquer ente em uma mesma condição dentro de uma federação. --[[User:Luan|Luan]] ([[User talk:Luan|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:36, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

== (federated) state ==

@[[User:Arctic.gnome|Arctic.gnome]]: are them (real) [[Q7275|states]]? It seems to me that this is a mess from English which has one word for both. In Russian the words are different ("штат" and "государствоЭ) and it's obvious that there are instances of Q107390 which are not states (e.g. German Bundeslands, Russian republics and so on). [[User:Infovarius|Infovarius]] ([[User talk:Infovarius|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:10, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

@[[User:Infovarius]]: In English, German Bundeslands and Russian Republics are called {{Q|7275}}. In fact, the English definition of {{Q|7275}} specifically says that it includes {{Q|107390}}. What are the characteristics of a polity that Russians would call "штат" but not "государство"? --[[User:Arctic.gnome|Arctic.gnome]] ([[User talk:Arctic.gnome|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:54, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
: {{Ping|Arctic.gnome}} Государство is independent, штат is dependent. Штат can't have its own army, in particular. --[[User:Infovarius|Infovarius]] ([[User talk:Infovarius|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:41, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
:: {{Ping|Infovarius}} An independent state with an army and embassies and a seat in the UN is a {{Q|3624078}}. States that don't have those are a {{Q|107390}} or {{Q|1763527}} or maybe {{Q|161243}}. But they are all {{Q|7275}} if there is some kind of government in charge of the area. --[[User:Arctic.gnome|Arctic.gnome]] ([[User talk:Arctic.gnome|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 02:40, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
:::Ok, are really all {{claim|7275|279|Q1896989}} then? --[[User:Infovarius|Infovarius]] ([[User talk:Infovarius|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:25, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

== Label "federal state" ==

For reference, "federal state" is one of the labels used for this kind of entity, even if ambiguous. Quotation evidence is in [[wikt:federal state]]. [[User:Dan Polansky|Dan Polansky]] ([[User talk:Dan Polansky|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:23, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

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