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Goodbye to All That: Writers on Loving and Leaving New York
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“There is something unique about New York, some quality, some matchless, pertinent combination of promise and despair, wizardry and counterfeit, abundance and depletion, that stimulates and allows for a reckoning to occur – maybe even forces it. The city pulls back the curtain on who you are; it tests you and shows you what you are made of in a way that has become iconic in our popular culture and with good reason.”
When I was a teen, my parents would, on occasion, whisk me and my sister up to Toronto for weekend visits. Most of these trips revolved around theater tickets. We came from a pretty small suburban town. The first time I caught a glimpse of Toronto from the highway, I felt I was headed to a magical place. (I never felt the same when I first visited Disney World, by the way.) All the hustle and bustle, the big glass buildings, the shops and restaurants, Chinatown, Little Italy, Greektown, and all the other neighborhoods, the museums, the theaters – the whole bit – dazzled me. I knew after just a trip or two that I wanted to live right there. Well, I never did pack up and move there (yet!); but I completely understand what the contributors of this book felt when they speak of love at first sight for New York City!
“On that first afternoon, we emerged into a rippling current of bodies. I froze, struck dumb by the summer heat, the smells of garbage, cigarette smoke, and roasting nuts. I looked up at the sliver of sky and ahead at the sea of faces and experienced the only kind of love at first sight that I believe in.”
Okay, well maybe not the smell of garbage, but I get it! I really enjoyed reading an essay or two before bedtime. There are thirty contributors in all; some names I recognized (Roxane Gay, Ann Hood, Lisa Ko) and others I did not (Rayhane Sanders, Rosie Schaap, Lauren Elkin). All have certain things in common: all are writers, all are women and each arrived in the city to later leave it behind. Some left in tears, perhaps to later return, while others left with a feeling of relief and even a wave of happy riddance. Each woman had the stamp of the city indelibly marked on her soul.
“… for the rest of our lives, our relationships to cities will be defined by New York.”
I loved some of the essays more than others, of course. Many of them urged me to look up more work by these authors, adding titles to my already toppling pile of books. I highlighted pieces that caught my attention that I’d like to share in the authors’ own words:
Roxane Gay on diversity: “More than anything, New York was seeing people, so many different people, so many beautiful shades of brown, so many different voices, a place where my brothers and I could actually see reflections of ourselves in others, where we didn’t feel so strange in a strange land.”
Chloe Caldwell on strangers: “I had this thing for strangers – the stranger the better – for train wrecks, and for grit. I liked the dirty parts of cities, though I didn’t realize that then. I wanted to be as out of my element as I could be. I wanted to talk to everyone and anyone. I sat on bar stools for hours.”
Dani Shapiro on leaving: “My city – the one that beckoned just beyond the smokestacks and Budweiser plant – has vanished. Only glimpses of it remain, in the sandstone façade of a Fifth Avenue building, or Washington Square Park, when seen from a certain angle. My city broke its promise to me, and I to it. I fell out of love, and then I fell back in – with my small town, its winding country roads, and the ladies at the post office who know my name.”
Lauren Elkin on creativity: “Unlike John Cheever or A.M. Homes, I don’t find the suburbs flint the creative spark. I’m more interested in what happens when people go other places, in the profound exchange that can occur between person and place when the two are foreign to each other.”
Hope Edelman on romance: “… no man could compete, in my mind, with the lure of a summer night in Greenwich Village with the air still warm enough at midnight for sundresses and sandals, streetlights casting a silver glow on sidewalk diners sipping from glasses of dark wine at red-checkered tables, full taxis gliding beneath traffic lights flashing candy-colored cycles from green to yellow to red. All those years when I thought I wanted a man to love me, what I really wanted was the romance of being a writer in New York.”
Melissa Febos on space: “People who don’t love the city talk about the freedom of the country and its wide open spaces; they marvel at how one could live in so cramped and crowded a space. But I always felt free in Brooklyn. I found safety in its enclosures. The city let me relax into being myself. Being who I am in New York didn’t feel like an action I took – it just felt like living.”
If I had a complaint or two about the collection, one would be the lack of a male voice. This then leads to my second criticism, though slight – a few essays felt a bit similar to one another. With thirty different viewpoints, it would have been nice to get some male perspective thrown in the mix as well. I know this has something to do with the fact that the inspiration for this book came from Joan Didion’s essay titled “Goodbye to All That”. The editor of this work wished to focus on women writers in order to align more with Didion’s own experience of entering and leaving the city. Perhaps I should have read Didion’s essay first. But then again, I think it will be an even tastier treat to polish off my New York City immersion with that iconic piece! Overall, this was a fantastic way to spend some cold winter evenings – dreaming of another place I’d love to be right now.
“Discovering New York is like discovering a different color. Something you’ve never seen before that’s on par with both beauty and agony and looks both terrible and fantastic on everyone.”
When I was a teen, my parents would, on occasion, whisk me and my sister up to Toronto for weekend visits. Most of these trips revolved around theater tickets. We came from a pretty small suburban town. The first time I caught a glimpse of Toronto from the highway, I felt I was headed to a magical place. (I never felt the same when I first visited Disney World, by the way.) All the hustle and bustle, the big glass buildings, the shops and restaurants, Chinatown, Little Italy, Greektown, and all the other neighborhoods, the museums, the theaters – the whole bit – dazzled me. I knew after just a trip or two that I wanted to live right there. Well, I never did pack up and move there (yet!); but I completely understand what the contributors of this book felt when they speak of love at first sight for New York City!
“On that first afternoon, we emerged into a rippling current of bodies. I froze, struck dumb by the summer heat, the smells of garbage, cigarette smoke, and roasting nuts. I looked up at the sliver of sky and ahead at the sea of faces and experienced the only kind of love at first sight that I believe in.”
Okay, well maybe not the smell of garbage, but I get it! I really enjoyed reading an essay or two before bedtime. There are thirty contributors in all; some names I recognized (Roxane Gay, Ann Hood, Lisa Ko) and others I did not (Rayhane Sanders, Rosie Schaap, Lauren Elkin). All have certain things in common: all are writers, all are women and each arrived in the city to later leave it behind. Some left in tears, perhaps to later return, while others left with a feeling of relief and even a wave of happy riddance. Each woman had the stamp of the city indelibly marked on her soul.
“… for the rest of our lives, our relationships to cities will be defined by New York.”
I loved some of the essays more than others, of course. Many of them urged me to look up more work by these authors, adding titles to my already toppling pile of books. I highlighted pieces that caught my attention that I’d like to share in the authors’ own words:
Roxane Gay on diversity: “More than anything, New York was seeing people, so many different people, so many beautiful shades of brown, so many different voices, a place where my brothers and I could actually see reflections of ourselves in others, where we didn’t feel so strange in a strange land.”
Chloe Caldwell on strangers: “I had this thing for strangers – the stranger the better – for train wrecks, and for grit. I liked the dirty parts of cities, though I didn’t realize that then. I wanted to be as out of my element as I could be. I wanted to talk to everyone and anyone. I sat on bar stools for hours.”
Dani Shapiro on leaving: “My city – the one that beckoned just beyond the smokestacks and Budweiser plant – has vanished. Only glimpses of it remain, in the sandstone façade of a Fifth Avenue building, or Washington Square Park, when seen from a certain angle. My city broke its promise to me, and I to it. I fell out of love, and then I fell back in – with my small town, its winding country roads, and the ladies at the post office who know my name.”
Lauren Elkin on creativity: “Unlike John Cheever or A.M. Homes, I don’t find the suburbs flint the creative spark. I’m more interested in what happens when people go other places, in the profound exchange that can occur between person and place when the two are foreign to each other.”
Hope Edelman on romance: “… no man could compete, in my mind, with the lure of a summer night in Greenwich Village with the air still warm enough at midnight for sundresses and sandals, streetlights casting a silver glow on sidewalk diners sipping from glasses of dark wine at red-checkered tables, full taxis gliding beneath traffic lights flashing candy-colored cycles from green to yellow to red. All those years when I thought I wanted a man to love me, what I really wanted was the romance of being a writer in New York.”
Melissa Febos on space: “People who don’t love the city talk about the freedom of the country and its wide open spaces; they marvel at how one could live in so cramped and crowded a space. But I always felt free in Brooklyn. I found safety in its enclosures. The city let me relax into being myself. Being who I am in New York didn’t feel like an action I took – it just felt like living.”
If I had a complaint or two about the collection, one would be the lack of a male voice. This then leads to my second criticism, though slight – a few essays felt a bit similar to one another. With thirty different viewpoints, it would have been nice to get some male perspective thrown in the mix as well. I know this has something to do with the fact that the inspiration for this book came from Joan Didion’s essay titled “Goodbye to All That”. The editor of this work wished to focus on women writers in order to align more with Didion’s own experience of entering and leaving the city. Perhaps I should have read Didion’s essay first. But then again, I think it will be an even tastier treat to polish off my New York City immersion with that iconic piece! Overall, this was a fantastic way to spend some cold winter evenings – dreaming of another place I’d love to be right now.
“Discovering New York is like discovering a different color. Something you’ve never seen before that’s on par with both beauty and agony and looks both terrible and fantastic on everyone.”
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"New York had taught me many times, in many ways, that life never plays out in exactly the ways we imagine. But what we get - in fragments, distortions, faint approximations - has its own beauty. New York kept trying to teach me that a life can look far more coherent from the outside than it actually feels from within - the most obvious truth in the world, I guess, but who ever really grasps it?"
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Cheri wrote: "Love the quote, Candi!"
Cheri, I love this book! So many wonderful reflections on the city :)
Cheri, I love this book! So many wonderful reflections on the city :)
I enjoyed reading about your child self visiting Toronto for the first time, Candi, and how you tied this in with the book. Perhaps they chose to leave out the male perspective because there are so many books, especially from the past, that highlight only the male perspective? Just an idea. Anyway, I'm glad you mostly enjoyed this collection.
Great review Candi! I know exactly what you mean about the glamour of cities for those of us who grew up in small towns. When I was a kid NYC always seemed impossibly glamorous! I daresay native New Yorkers might find that amusing! I've only ever visited once but I won't forget my first sight of Manhattan from the plane!
I am so glad you enjoyed the book. NYC is a very peculiar place, and it is not for everyone at every time. I, for instance, knew I did not want to parent here and knew I would come back once that was not a consideration -- It was a great decision for me. I have met many people who don't belong here, and as times go on they take away the parts of the city that make it special, and at some point they might take away enough that it won't be the city for me. One of the beautiful things about this place is that it changes utterly every dozen years or so so the people who wanted to escape might be here at a time that is wrong for them. This New York is nothing at all like the New York I moved to in the 80's so a person who belongs here today might not in a year. It is in part that churn that keeps things interesting. Glad this book captured some people's feelings about this beastly and beautiful place. (A note, at least two of the authors you mentioned, Melissa Febos and Leslie Jamison, live here again. Jamison is the neighbor of a friend of mine, in fact.)
Nice review, Candi. I’m that rare bird, an NYC native who still lives in NYC, so of course this book calls to me.
Fantastic review, Candi! You know, of course, why this book would be an ideal night-read for me too!😉
I have to say that I agree 100% with Bonnie’s remark that NYC is not for everyone, at every time. When I first visited in the 80s there wasn’t the extraordinary amount of hype of recent years. You still had room to decide for yourself if it suits you or not. Nowadays it’s almost compulsory to fall for the place.
Still, I always loved how I’ve never ever felt like a stranger there. Thank you for reminding me, my friend. 🏙🌆
I have to say that I agree 100% with Bonnie’s remark that NYC is not for everyone, at every time. When I first visited in the 80s there wasn’t the extraordinary amount of hype of recent years. You still had room to decide for yourself if it suits you or not. Nowadays it’s almost compulsory to fall for the place.
Still, I always loved how I’ve never ever felt like a stranger there. Thank you for reminding me, my friend. 🏙🌆
Violeta wrote: "Fantastic review, Candi! You know, of course, why this book would be an ideal night-read for me too!😉
I have to say that I agree 100% with Bonnie’s remark that NYC is not for everyone, at every ti..."
One day in the late 1980's I was running up the steps at NYU Law and a middle-aged man who was very clearly from out of town came up to me and asked where Washington Square Park was (I am always the one people ask, I guess I don't look scary.) I pointed across the street and said, "you are there." He looked bewildered and asked "where are all the radicals?" I responded "I believe in 1971 sir."
I still love my city, but this iteration is the palest shadow of what it was in the 70's, 80's and 90s.
I have to say that I agree 100% with Bonnie’s remark that NYC is not for everyone, at every ti..."
One day in the late 1980's I was running up the steps at NYU Law and a middle-aged man who was very clearly from out of town came up to me and asked where Washington Square Park was (I am always the one people ask, I guess I don't look scary.) I pointed across the street and said, "you are there." He looked bewildered and asked "where are all the radicals?" I responded "I believe in 1971 sir."
I still love my city, but this iteration is the palest shadow of what it was in the 70's, 80's and 90s.
Nice personal take on this book, Candi. Your story reminds me of a movie review I read once, which said something like "and special thanks to Toronto, playing New York City."
Generally, I'd rather read about NYC than actually spend time there -- it has spawned so many excellent stories. Perhaps I'll be checking this one out, despite your reservations.
Generally, I'd rather read about NYC than actually spend time there -- it has spawned so many excellent stories. Perhaps I'll be checking this one out, despite your reservations.
Jenna wrote: "I enjoyed reading about your child self visiting Toronto for the first time, Candi, and how you tied this in with the book. Perhaps they chose to leave out the male perspective because there are so..."
Thank you, Jenna! I'm sure you are quite right about wanting to highlight the women (for obvious reasons!) :) I started to wonder a bit if women left for different reasons compared to the men. Many of the contributors left due to love interests. Would the men have done the same?....
Thank you, Jenna! I'm sure you are quite right about wanting to highlight the women (for obvious reasons!) :) I started to wonder a bit if women left for different reasons compared to the men. Many of the contributors left due to love interests. Would the men have done the same?....
Ian wrote: "Great review Candi! I know exactly what you mean about the glamour of cities for those of us who grew up in small towns. When I was a kid NYC always seemed impossibly glamorous! I daresay native Ne..."
Thanks so much, Ian! It sure does seem glamorous to us small town folk, doesn't it?! Manhattan from the plane would be a glorious view, I'm sure :)
Thanks so much, Ian! It sure does seem glamorous to us small town folk, doesn't it?! Manhattan from the plane would be a glorious view, I'm sure :)
Bonnie G. wrote: "I am so glad you enjoyed the book. NYC is a very peculiar place, and it is not for everyone at every time. I, for instance, knew I did not want to parent here and knew I would come back once that w..."
This book was just what I needed, Bonnie. I'm not going to lie. This had me running to Indeed and looking for jobs in the city! :D I would love to just take a year off from my "regular" life to do something like that. Just to see. But then reality hits, and I'm back to square one. The cost alone seems prohibitive, especially for a flight of fancy on my part ;D It's interesting how the city evolves into something different every so often. I often wonder if I could survive there or not!
This book was just what I needed, Bonnie. I'm not going to lie. This had me running to Indeed and looking for jobs in the city! :D I would love to just take a year off from my "regular" life to do something like that. Just to see. But then reality hits, and I'm back to square one. The cost alone seems prohibitive, especially for a flight of fancy on my part ;D It's interesting how the city evolves into something different every so often. I often wonder if I could survive there or not!
Mona wrote: "Nice review, Candi. I’m that rare bird, an NYC native who still lives in NYC, so of course this book calls to me."
Thank you, Mona! I'm sure that many of these stories would appeal to you then! Especially the ones written by other native New Yorkers :)
Thank you, Mona! I'm sure that many of these stories would appeal to you then! Especially the ones written by other native New Yorkers :)
This book sounds like a lovely tribute to my favorite city.
Just out of curiosity how does NYC compare to Toronto?
Is your area of NY a fair distance from the bustling city?
Just out of curiosity how does NYC compare to Toronto?
Is your area of NY a fair distance from the bustling city?
I love reading essays and short stories right before sleeping. Little nibbles at that time are so much better than big bites. Great review, Candi. Didion will soon be taken off a shelf, dusted off, and finally read.
Candi wrote: "Bonnie G. wrote: "I am so glad you enjoyed the book. NYC is a very peculiar place, and it is not for everyone at every time. I, for instance, knew I did not want to parent here and knew I would com..."
A year away from real life sounds pretty intriguing. It is totally possible to come here and get a job and find a place. It might be small, and it might require some long subway rides, but it is possible to live in this city. Prior to Covid I was rarely even ever home other than to sleep, but now a decent apartment is a must. I read a hilarious article about finding a rental in NYC in the NYT yesterday called Do I Really Need a Toilet? I think you would get a kick out of it. I would link it by GR won't allow outside links. (And tell me what your skills are -- my workplace is looking to fill several roles at the moment.
A year away from real life sounds pretty intriguing. It is totally possible to come here and get a job and find a place. It might be small, and it might require some long subway rides, but it is possible to live in this city. Prior to Covid I was rarely even ever home other than to sleep, but now a decent apartment is a must. I read a hilarious article about finding a rental in NYC in the NYT yesterday called Do I Really Need a Toilet? I think you would get a kick out of it. I would link it by GR won't allow outside links. (And tell me what your skills are -- my workplace is looking to fill several roles at the moment.
Violeta wrote: "Fantastic review, Candi! You know, of course, why this book would be an ideal night-read for me too!😉
I have to say that I agree 100% with Bonnie’s remark that NYC is not for everyone, at every ti..."
Thanks very much, Violeta! This book would suit you perfectly :) I think I could very easily fall for the place, and I'm happy to hear you've always felt welcome. I can't believe I've stuck it out so long where I am - you'd be surprised at how very little there is right here in my town. Soon. The day is coming :)
I have to say that I agree 100% with Bonnie’s remark that NYC is not for everyone, at every ti..."
Thanks very much, Violeta! This book would suit you perfectly :) I think I could very easily fall for the place, and I'm happy to hear you've always felt welcome. I can't believe I've stuck it out so long where I am - you'd be surprised at how very little there is right here in my town. Soon. The day is coming :)
Bonnie wrote "One day in the late 1980's I was running up the steps at NYU Law and a middle-aged man who was very clearly from out of town came up to me and asked where Washington Square Park was (I am always the one people ask, I guess I don't look scary.) I pointed across the street and said, "you are there." He looked bewildered and asked "where are all the radicals?" I responded "I believe in 1971 sir."
Ha! I love this story, Bonnie. Back when I was a teen, my parents told us all sorts of "horror" stories about the city, effectively keeping it out of our heads as an option. Now, of course, I'm a grown woman and realize my mother was just trying to keep us nearby :D
Ha! I love this story, Bonnie. Back when I was a teen, my parents told us all sorts of "horror" stories about the city, effectively keeping it out of our heads as an option. Now, of course, I'm a grown woman and realize my mother was just trying to keep us nearby :D
Left Coast Justin wrote: "Nice personal take on this book, Candi. Your story reminds me of a movie review I read once, which said something like "and special thanks to Toronto, playing New York City."
Generally, I'd rathe..."
Thank you, Justin. I'm guessing it was more cost effective to film in Toronto then?! Some of my favorite stories are set in NYC, so I'm in agreement with you there! I'm going to need an actual city experience before long though, in order to get it "out of my system" :D
Generally, I'd rathe..."
Thank you, Justin. I'm guessing it was more cost effective to film in Toronto then?! Some of my favorite stories are set in NYC, so I'm in agreement with you there! I'm going to need an actual city experience before long though, in order to get it "out of my system" :D
Angela M wrote: "Candi, fabulous review. Thanks for the quotes."
Thanks, Angela! I'm glad you appreciated those quotes! :)
Thanks, Angela! I'm glad you appreciated those quotes! :)
LOVE this review and your selected quotes! Doubt this is one I'll ever pick up, but I'm enjoying the comments thread immensely lol.
I moved to NYC in June 2019, and in that short time I've already experienced two very different versions of the city: pre-COVID and COVID. Some days this city terrifies and overwhelms me, but most days it comforts and inspires and exhilarates me.
My youngest sister's family will be visiting me for the first time in late March, and I can only hope that at least one of my three young nieces will have an experience similar to your first impressions of Toronto.
I guess only time will tell whether I'm just here for a brief chapter or the long-term, but I can definitely relate to that quote about all future cities being compared to New York!
I moved to NYC in June 2019, and in that short time I've already experienced two very different versions of the city: pre-COVID and COVID. Some days this city terrifies and overwhelms me, but most days it comforts and inspires and exhilarates me.
My youngest sister's family will be visiting me for the first time in late March, and I can only hope that at least one of my three young nieces will have an experience similar to your first impressions of Toronto.
I guess only time will tell whether I'm just here for a brief chapter or the long-term, but I can definitely relate to that quote about all future cities being compared to New York!
Candi wrote: "Bonnie wrote "One day in the late 1980's I was running up the steps at NYU Law and a middle-aged man who was very clearly from out of town came up to me and asked where Washington Square Park was (..."
I love this story too, and get to tell it rarely, so thanks for giving me the opportunity to take that one out of dry storage :) The 70's and 80's in New York were seedy and dangerous and fantastic. I moved here in 1986 but my best friend in HS and I used to regularly lie to our parents, tell them we were at the others house, and drive straight through from Detroit to NYC whenever we had a 3 day weekends. We continued to do so into college but we didn't have to lie then. We knew tons of people at CBGB and they happily took our fake IDs. To this day, I have never been anywhere more terrifying than the bathroom and CB, though we stayed in some squats that were close, but it was the best, and I met a lot of the musicians I ended up hanging out with when I was officially 18.
I love this story too, and get to tell it rarely, so thanks for giving me the opportunity to take that one out of dry storage :) The 70's and 80's in New York were seedy and dangerous and fantastic. I moved here in 1986 but my best friend in HS and I used to regularly lie to our parents, tell them we were at the others house, and drive straight through from Detroit to NYC whenever we had a 3 day weekends. We continued to do so into college but we didn't have to lie then. We knew tons of people at CBGB and they happily took our fake IDs. To this day, I have never been anywhere more terrifying than the bathroom and CB, though we stayed in some squats that were close, but it was the best, and I met a lot of the musicians I ended up hanging out with when I was officially 18.
Lisa wrote: "This book sounds like a lovely tribute to my favorite city.
Just out of curiosity how does NYC compare to Toronto?
Is your area of NY a fair distance from the bustling city?"
Lisa, I think for the most part, with the exception of maybe one or two contributors who were very bitter about their experiences, this was indeed a wonderful tribute.
Lisa, I've actually only been to NYC twice - once at the age of 16 or 17 with a high school choir, and the second time for a business trip that gave me no time to explore AT ALL! How disappointing is that?!! So, I couldn't fairly compare the two cities. Toronto I've been to multiple times -as a teen and as an adult. Toronto is about 3 hours from me while NYC is closer to 5 hours. I'm still due for another attempt at a trip that was cancelled in April of 2020. I cannot wait!!
Just out of curiosity how does NYC compare to Toronto?
Is your area of NY a fair distance from the bustling city?"
Lisa, I think for the most part, with the exception of maybe one or two contributors who were very bitter about their experiences, this was indeed a wonderful tribute.
Lisa, I've actually only been to NYC twice - once at the age of 16 or 17 with a high school choir, and the second time for a business trip that gave me no time to explore AT ALL! How disappointing is that?!! So, I couldn't fairly compare the two cities. Toronto I've been to multiple times -as a teen and as an adult. Toronto is about 3 hours from me while NYC is closer to 5 hours. I'm still due for another attempt at a trip that was cancelled in April of 2020. I cannot wait!!
Barbara wrote: "I love reading essays and short stories right before sleeping. Little nibbles at that time are so much better than big bites. Great review, Candi. Didion will soon be taken off a shelf, dusted off,..."
Barbara, I love those formats before bedtime as well. It's a great way to mix up my longer fiction books with some other engaging writing as well. I've got to grab Didion very soon, too! Thanks for your nice comment :)
Barbara, I love those formats before bedtime as well. It's a great way to mix up my longer fiction books with some other engaging writing as well. I've got to grab Didion very soon, too! Thanks for your nice comment :)
Bonnie wrote: "I read a hilarious article about finding a rental in NYC in the NYT yesterday called Do I Really Need a Toilet? I think you would get a kick out of it. I would link it by GR won't allow outside links. (And tell me what your skills are -- my workplace is looking to fill several roles at the moment."
Bonnie, I'll see if I can access the NYT online or not. Hmm, might need a subscription though... As far as my skills - I'll send you a private message in the next day or two! I'm not able to transplant ASAP though - my daughter is graduating this June from high school and I need to see where she will land for college in the fall :) :)
Bonnie, I'll see if I can access the NYT online or not. Hmm, might need a subscription though... As far as my skills - I'll send you a private message in the next day or two! I'm not able to transplant ASAP though - my daughter is graduating this June from high school and I need to see where she will land for college in the fall :) :)
Candi,
I love what you have shared here, about Toronto. I am a total country mouse, and not a city girl, but two cities have taken my breath away--Chicago, and Florence. Both gave me the feeling that you describe here. I hope you get there someday, lady. I'll come visit you!
I love what you have shared here, about Toronto. I am a total country mouse, and not a city girl, but two cities have taken my breath away--Chicago, and Florence. Both gave me the feeling that you describe here. I hope you get there someday, lady. I'll come visit you!
My few experiences with NYC are still vivid in my mind. I was just a teen the first time I went. Big dreams and all that. I guess there's something about it and each one has their own remembrance. What a lovely review of what sounds like a very unique read.
What a beautiful and heartfelt review, Candi. This sounds like a wonderful book, it may be how I vicariously experience New York City for some time! And I love that Disney World didn’t give you the same experience as Toronto or NYC.
Bonnie G. wrote: "One day in the late 1980's I was running up the steps at NYU Law and a middle-aged man who was very clearly from out of town came up to me and asked where Washington Square Park was (I am always the one people ask, I guess I don't look scary.) I pointed across the street and said, "you are there." He looked bewildered and asked "where are all the radicals?" I responded "I believe in 1971 sir."."
That's a great story, Bonnie!
The city of Great Expectations. Funny, I always thought that those not needing a passport to visit had the greatest of them all. :))
That's a great story, Bonnie!
The city of Great Expectations. Funny, I always thought that those not needing a passport to visit had the greatest of them all. :))
My story is similar to Bonnie’s. I moved to NYC in 1984 and lived in Manhattan until 1999, when #2 was on the way and we felt it best to flee to the burbs. The city has changed, it is constantly changing. Most of the wonderful unique NYC “life” found at places like CBGB back when I first arrived fled to Brooklyn, and now it’s moving to the Bronx. Manhattan is basically dead though and Covid has turned into a bit of a ghost town. The specialness of New York has declined over the years but you can still find it if you look. Probably the worst thing that happened to the city was “Seinfeld” and the hordes of young people who came with that set of attitudes. The NYC of CBGB, the Lower East Side, it’s seedy darkness was all wrecked by that. The incredibly ugly “prick” high rises being built are ruining the skyline and casting shadows over the Park. But that’s New York.
James wrote: "LOVE this review and your selected quotes! Doubt this is one I'll ever pick up, but I'm enjoying the comments thread immensely lol.
I moved to NYC in June 2019, and in that short time I've alread..."
Thanks a bunch, James! Well, inhabitants of the city may not need a book like this, but for me it was a bit of "research" on the subject, much needed for the day when I can get out of the suburbs :D You certainly arrived in NYC at a strange time. I imagine the contrast to be Huge!
I really hope that you have a wonderful time with your nieces - and that one or all of them fall in love with the city! I have to say, I envy them a bit :) I'm rescheduling my own trip soon... or at least, soon-ish ;)
I moved to NYC in June 2019, and in that short time I've alread..."
Thanks a bunch, James! Well, inhabitants of the city may not need a book like this, but for me it was a bit of "research" on the subject, much needed for the day when I can get out of the suburbs :D You certainly arrived in NYC at a strange time. I imagine the contrast to be Huge!
I really hope that you have a wonderful time with your nieces - and that one or all of them fall in love with the city! I have to say, I envy them a bit :) I'm rescheduling my own trip soon... or at least, soon-ish ;)
Bonnie wrote: "I used to regularly lie to our parents, tell them we were at the others house, and drive straight through from Detroit to NYC whenever we had a 3 day weekends."
Bonnie, I love this story too! Wow, that's some devotion for a three day weekend! A lot of driving! I could never have pulled it off. My mother knew what I was going to do before I even knew myself :D She'd have been waiting for me at my favorite hangout, no doubt!
Bonnie, I love this story too! Wow, that's some devotion for a three day weekend! A lot of driving! I could never have pulled it off. My mother knew what I was going to do before I even knew myself :D She'd have been waiting for me at my favorite hangout, no doubt!
Julie wrote: "Candi,
I love what you have shared here, about Toronto. I am a total country mouse, and not a city girl, but two cities have taken my breath away--Chicago, and Florence. Both gave me the feeling th..."
Toronto will always be THAT city for me, Julie. That love at first sight will always be there no matter what takes its place. I also feel very comfortable there at this point. My daughter actually longs to go to either Toronto or Montreal, so who knows. I may at least get to make more frequent visits in future! Chicago is actually a fantastic city as well. I've been there a couple of times and would go back in a heartbeat. Florence... well. What can I say? I need to get my ass to Europe!!!
I love what you have shared here, about Toronto. I am a total country mouse, and not a city girl, but two cities have taken my breath away--Chicago, and Florence. Both gave me the feeling th..."
Toronto will always be THAT city for me, Julie. That love at first sight will always be there no matter what takes its place. I also feel very comfortable there at this point. My daughter actually longs to go to either Toronto or Montreal, so who knows. I may at least get to make more frequent visits in future! Chicago is actually a fantastic city as well. I've been there a couple of times and would go back in a heartbeat. Florence... well. What can I say? I need to get my ass to Europe!!!
Lori wrote: "My few experiences with NYC are still vivid in my mind. I was just a teen the first time I went. Big dreams and all that. I guess there's something about it and each one has their own remembrance. ..."
It's not something one can easily forget, right?!! When I went as a teen, I remember too much being crammed into a short time. I slept through part of a Broadway performance :D :D It's fun to think back to those times though. Thanks so much, Lori!
It's not something one can easily forget, right?!! When I went as a teen, I remember too much being crammed into a short time. I slept through part of a Broadway performance :D :D It's fun to think back to those times though. Thanks so much, Lori!
Candi wrote: "Bonnie wrote: "I read a hilarious article about finding a rental in NYC in the NYT yesterday called Do I Really Need a Toilet? I think you would get a kick out of it. I would link it by GR won't al..."
Whenever it works for you, happy to help with job stuff if you ever decide to move here, and congrats on the graduation! And yes, the NYT article is behind a paywall, I forget about that all the time.
Whenever it works for you, happy to help with job stuff if you ever decide to move here, and congrats on the graduation! And yes, the NYT article is behind a paywall, I forget about that all the time.
Lorna wrote: "What a beautiful and heartfelt review, Candi. This sounds like a wonderful book, it may be how I vicariously experience New York City for some time! And I love that Disney World didn’t give you the..."
Thank you for your sweet comment, Lorna. It was fun to imagine myself in the city for a short time while reading this book. The problem is, the more I read, the more I just know I'm missing out!! :D Disney World was a weird experience. Both as a kid and as an adult. The city is where it's at for me ;)
Thank you for your sweet comment, Lorna. It was fun to imagine myself in the city for a short time while reading this book. The problem is, the more I read, the more I just know I'm missing out!! :D Disney World was a weird experience. Both as a kid and as an adult. The city is where it's at for me ;)
Violeta wrote: "Bonnie G. wrote: "One day in the late 1980's I was running up the steps at NYU Law and a middle-aged man who was very clearly from out of town came up to me and asked where Washington Square Park w..."
Thanks Violeta. That story still makes me smile every time I recall it
Thanks Violeta. That story still makes me smile every time I recall it
Richard S wrote: "My story is similar to Bonnie’s. I moved to NYC in 1984 and lived in Manhattan until 1999, when #2 was on the way and we felt it best to flee to the burbs. The city has changed, it is constantly ch..."
I loved Seinfeld, but there is no question that the advance of the go-go business mindset killed the LES, Brooklyn, and Williamsburg. The Finance Bros killed NYC and the Tech Bros killed SF. When everyone is rehabbing and buying 2 br flats in former tenements for $3 mil the artists, freaks and dreamers (my favorite people) need to head elsewhere. It was great while it lasted. So good to hear from someone who lived/loved it. I also left the city to parent. It is hard enough to raise kids. I did not need the added degree of difficulty! I hate the suburbs (I grew up in the suburbs) so I ended up raising my kid in Atlanta where I could be in a sort of city and still have a garage and a backyard and a car and little league.
And there is still a lot of good still here. Manhattan isn't crowded like it used to be but it is still strolling if not hopping. Last weekend I was at various destinations in Tribeca, the Meatpacking, and Union Sq. and everyplace I went was full and people were roaming the streets. Also, the F Train was full enough that there were people who had to stand. It is, thankfully, not at all like 2020 anymore. Have vax and mask will travel.
I loved Seinfeld, but there is no question that the advance of the go-go business mindset killed the LES, Brooklyn, and Williamsburg. The Finance Bros killed NYC and the Tech Bros killed SF. When everyone is rehabbing and buying 2 br flats in former tenements for $3 mil the artists, freaks and dreamers (my favorite people) need to head elsewhere. It was great while it lasted. So good to hear from someone who lived/loved it. I also left the city to parent. It is hard enough to raise kids. I did not need the added degree of difficulty! I hate the suburbs (I grew up in the suburbs) so I ended up raising my kid in Atlanta where I could be in a sort of city and still have a garage and a backyard and a car and little league.
And there is still a lot of good still here. Manhattan isn't crowded like it used to be but it is still strolling if not hopping. Last weekend I was at various destinations in Tribeca, the Meatpacking, and Union Sq. and everyplace I went was full and people were roaming the streets. Also, the F Train was full enough that there were people who had to stand. It is, thankfully, not at all like 2020 anymore. Have vax and mask will travel.
Candi wrote: "Bonnie wrote: "I used to regularly lie to our parents, tell them we were at the others house, and drive straight through from Detroit to NYC whenever we had a 3 day weekends."
Bonnie, I love this ..."
My parents were checked out. I was essentially raised by wolves. There are downsides to that, but this was an upside and it was fantastic. My kid could never have gotten away with what we did. He laughs when he hears stories and tells me how lucky I got him instead of a kid like me. He is 100% correct.
Bonnie, I love this ..."
My parents were checked out. I was essentially raised by wolves. There are downsides to that, but this was an upside and it was fantastic. My kid could never have gotten away with what we did. He laughs when he hears stories and tells me how lucky I got him instead of a kid like me. He is 100% correct.
Candi,
I can relate to limited European adventures. Italy's the only country in Europe I've managed to visit. I'm a total Anglophile and I still haven't been anywhere in the U.K. It drives me nuts.
I can relate to limited European adventures. Italy's the only country in Europe I've managed to visit. I'm a total Anglophile and I still haven't been anywhere in the U.K. It drives me nuts.