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Wuthering Heights
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"all i care about in this goddamn life are me, my drums, and you"...
if you don't know that quote, you're probably too young to be reading this and isn't it past your bedtime or shouldn't you be in school or something?
but that quote, hyper-earnest cheese - that is romance. wuthering heights is something more dangerous than romance. it's one long protracted retaliation masquerading as passion. and goddamn do i love it. i can't believe i haven't reviewed it before - i mention this book in more than half of my reviews, i have a whole shelf devoted to its retellings, so why the delay?? but better late than never.
no, it's not a perfect novel; it's a flawed structure revealing the actions of seriously flawed people. the framing device-within-a-framing-device? totally awkward. having nelly dean tell the story even though where was she for most of the action? totally wrong move, bronte; it makes the beginning such a slog to get through. but that's just stale loaf - the good stuff is all the meat in between.
and oh, the meat... the swarthy stranger of mysterious origins being raised in a family of sheltered overmoist english mushrooms, all pale and rain-bloated, the running wild, two-souls-against-the-world adolescence...childhood indiscretions... vows and tantrums, bonding, unspoken promises, yes i will yes i will yes i will. oh, but wait, what's this??...it's blond and it's rich and it's whats expected of me. very well then. see ya, heathcliff...
it's just textbook gothic from here on out: revenge-seduction, overheard conversations, mysterious disappearances, murdered puppies, swooning, vindictive child-rearing, death, ghosts, moors, phoar...
but this to me, is a perfect love story, even though it's more like torture. the unattainable is always more romantic than the storybook. i don't like an uncomplicated ending, and a story is more impactful with nuanced characters, preferably heavily unlikeable throughout. (this is where i plug head-on - one of my favorite movies ever. do it.)this story just makes me feel good. and i'm well over my teenage fascination with the "bad boy"; i realized pretty quick that "bad boys" are usually pretty dumb. so i moved on to "emotionally disturbed", which is the same thing, really; plenty of drama, and they will leave you drunken "presents" on your lawn (road signs, carousel ponies..), but not complete burnouts, at least. but my teenaged dating pool is neither here nor there, the point is that heathcliff can be romanticized as this victim/villain without having to correspond to the ideal. it's about the level of passion, the size of the grand romantic gesture. devoting your life to destroying the people who kept you from your true love is an amazingly grand gesture.
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if you don't know that quote, you're probably too young to be reading this and isn't it past your bedtime or shouldn't you be in school or something?
but that quote, hyper-earnest cheese - that is romance. wuthering heights is something more dangerous than romance. it's one long protracted retaliation masquerading as passion. and goddamn do i love it. i can't believe i haven't reviewed it before - i mention this book in more than half of my reviews, i have a whole shelf devoted to its retellings, so why the delay?? but better late than never.
no, it's not a perfect novel; it's a flawed structure revealing the actions of seriously flawed people. the framing device-within-a-framing-device? totally awkward. having nelly dean tell the story even though where was she for most of the action? totally wrong move, bronte; it makes the beginning such a slog to get through. but that's just stale loaf - the good stuff is all the meat in between.
and oh, the meat... the swarthy stranger of mysterious origins being raised in a family of sheltered overmoist english mushrooms, all pale and rain-bloated, the running wild, two-souls-against-the-world adolescence...childhood indiscretions... vows and tantrums, bonding, unspoken promises, yes i will yes i will yes i will. oh, but wait, what's this??...it's blond and it's rich and it's whats expected of me. very well then. see ya, heathcliff...
it's just textbook gothic from here on out: revenge-seduction, overheard conversations, mysterious disappearances, murdered puppies, swooning, vindictive child-rearing, death, ghosts, moors, phoar...
but this to me, is a perfect love story, even though it's more like torture. the unattainable is always more romantic than the storybook. i don't like an uncomplicated ending, and a story is more impactful with nuanced characters, preferably heavily unlikeable throughout. (this is where i plug head-on - one of my favorite movies ever. do it.)this story just makes me feel good. and i'm well over my teenage fascination with the "bad boy"; i realized pretty quick that "bad boys" are usually pretty dumb. so i moved on to "emotionally disturbed", which is the same thing, really; plenty of drama, and they will leave you drunken "presents" on your lawn (road signs, carousel ponies..), but not complete burnouts, at least. but my teenaged dating pool is neither here nor there, the point is that heathcliff can be romanticized as this victim/villain without having to correspond to the ideal. it's about the level of passion, the size of the grand romantic gesture. devoting your life to destroying the people who kept you from your true love is an amazingly grand gesture.
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Dec 03, 2009 09:08PM
I love your love of Heathcliff (e.g. the mention in the Zweig review). Makes me want to pick this book up for once in my classics-neglecting life.
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Yes! (this is in response to the review and the person of Heathcliff)
I remember reading this and thinking stupid stupid stupid girl- here I am, Heathcliff, find me, find me, find me! (This was before I ventured into the teenage dating pool and still practiced kissing my pillow)
I remember reading this and thinking stupid stupid stupid girl- here I am, Heathcliff, find me, find me, find me! (This was before I ventured into the teenage dating pool and still practiced kissing my pillow)
i was reading a snippet on the web about how romance novels are really more about pain than sex, and that the important part was that the lovers have to suffer a lot. not that i'm calling Wuthering Heights a bodice-ripper, but that seems to be where the energy comes from.
You see us as you want to see us -- in the simplest terms, in the most convenient definitions. You see us as a brain, an athlete, a basket case, a princess and a criminal. Correct?
Oh, wait, wrong film.
Oh, wait, wrong film.
"It isn't a love story, it's a hate story." Edward Cullen (on Wuthering Heights). Yes -- I just quoted a glittery teenaged vampire. Oh, Heathcliff! (sigh)
Ralph Fiennes played Heathcliff in a 1992 film adaptation. Seems poorly cast to me. Although he did play that "bad boy" Nazi in Schindler's List, so maybe...
Whenever I feel the urge to re-read Wuthering Heights, I listen to Kate Bush's encapsulation, and continue on reading other things.
wasnt there a other made-for-teevee version with young hot teen stars? i seem to remember a movie-tie-in book floating around that made me puke a little.
wait - is wuthering heights in twilight? do i have to read it now?
wait - is wuthering heights in twilight? do i have to read it now?
this is what i was thinking about - oh my god, kill yourselves!
http://www.mtv.com/onair/wuthering_he...
wait, wait, wait!!!! john fucking doe was in that??? oh god i give up.
http://www.mtv.com/onair/wuthering_he...
wait, wait, wait!!!! john fucking doe was in that??? oh god i give up.
Karen only read Wuthering Heights when this copy came into the store. She squeled so loud and ran around the store skipping like there was no tomorrow when she found out she could actually read Bella and Sebastian's, I mean Edward's favorite book....
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I would say "Whatever gets tweens reading better," but really? It takes a fictional fey, glittery vampire and his mediocre girlfriend to hawk classic fiction?
The MTV version didn't bother me half as much as the Bella & Eddy stamped endorsement. MY EYES?!!! WHERE's MY REVOLVER?!
The MTV version didn't bother me half as much as the Bella & Eddy stamped endorsement. MY EYES?!!! WHERE's MY REVOLVER?!
Evan wrote: "I would say "Whatever gets tweens reading better," but really? It takes a fictional fey, glittery vampire and his mediocre girlfriend to hawk classic fiction?
The MTV version didn't bother me half..."
c'mon - books have been recommending other books for ages - and this is kind of sweet; it's like - i know i can't write very well, but here's a book that is well-written, with my apologies. the mtv version (and i haven't seen it, so i'm just basing it on the healthy, youthful people who seem to be in it) - is more or less a giant bowel-movement on the original. it has a soundtrack! and not a john doe soundtrack,either, i'll wager.
The MTV version didn't bother me half..."
c'mon - books have been recommending other books for ages - and this is kind of sweet; it's like - i know i can't write very well, but here's a book that is well-written, with my apologies. the mtv version (and i haven't seen it, so i'm just basing it on the healthy, youthful people who seem to be in it) - is more or less a giant bowel-movement on the original. it has a soundtrack! and not a john doe soundtrack,either, i'll wager.
Whatever helps the tweens make the leap, then.
"i know i can't write very well, but here's a book that is well-written, with my apologies."
No apologies from Stephanie Meyer are needed. She won at the game of life. She ought to take her swimming pool full money and become the first mormon mother to keep 7+ husbands.
"i know i can't write very well, but here's a book that is well-written, with my apologies."
No apologies from Stephanie Meyer are needed. She won at the game of life. She ought to take her swimming pool full money and become the first mormon mother to keep 7+ husbands.
i'm just curious about what they will make of w.h.
i think the writing styles are... dissimilar. i read it when i was a young teen, and i recognized that it was more complicated than the books intended for teens that i had been reading, and i was appreciative of that. i didn't have anyone guiding my reading as a kid, it was mostly whatever i found, with my limited resources, i would read. and this book was a big discovery for me.
i think the writing styles are... dissimilar. i read it when i was a young teen, and i recognized that it was more complicated than the books intended for teens that i had been reading, and i was appreciative of that. i didn't have anyone guiding my reading as a kid, it was mostly whatever i found, with my limited resources, i would read. and this book was a big discovery for me.
Deep breath. I think I'm going to buy that book for a niece who is Twilight crazy. I'm willing to sacrifice myself and stand in line holding it just to get her to read it. I owe that much to Heathcliff.
excellent! then you can be the case-study!
observe her and record her reactions, no matter how minor. pass it along to me for analysis. the world awaits an answer.
observe her and record her reactions, no matter how minor. pass it along to me for analysis. the world awaits an answer.
karen wrote: "it has a soundtrack! and not a john doe soundtrack,either, i'll wager."
From the MTV link:
"Wuthering Heights features original tunes by pop maestro Jim Steinman, the brains behind the brawn of Meatloaf's multi-platinum rock opera Bat out of Hell."
"Rock and roll composer Jim Steinman reached down deep for these Wuthering Heights tunes and the cast sang them with passion. Now you can pick up the soundtrack and the movie DVD. Once you score both, consider your collection complete."
At least that Romeo & Juliet remake had that awesome Radiohead song. And Leo. Le sigh.
From the MTV link:
"Wuthering Heights features original tunes by pop maestro Jim Steinman, the brains behind the brawn of Meatloaf's multi-platinum rock opera Bat out of Hell."
"Rock and roll composer Jim Steinman reached down deep for these Wuthering Heights tunes and the cast sang them with passion. Now you can pick up the soundtrack and the movie DVD. Once you score both, consider your collection complete."
At least that Romeo & Juliet remake had that awesome Radiohead song. And Leo. Le sigh.
Karen, in counterpoint to the direction of this erudite thread, I must inquire, how did you really feel about the book? It seemed you held back your true opinions.
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Daniel wrote: "You see us as you want to see us -- in the simplest terms, in the most convenient definitions. You see us as a brain, an athlete, a basket case, a princess and a criminal. Correct?"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faaeot...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faaeot...
I had such a crush on her when I first saw that movie.
Ever see her later film, High Art? Lots of spontaneous pillow fights in that, if ya know what I mean.
Ever see her later film, High Art? Lots of spontaneous pillow fights in that, if ya know what I mean.
yeah, i saw high art... that's why i blushed.
last night althea from project runway came in. i know that makes you the most jealous because of your abiding love of fashion and the shows that promote it. celebrity!
last night althea from project runway came in. i know that makes you the most jealous because of your abiding love of fashion and the shows that promote it. celebrity!
Oh, just you wait for me to Google that name and then I will be green with envy like you've never seen!
I can't remember if it was that show or the other popular fashion reality one, but I once half-watched most of a televised marathon (like 5 or 6 seasons) over a multi-day period with my friend Samantha (GR-name: Also, Safety Math). We also watched made for TV Lifetime movies together. This was during a period when I was most definitely drunko.
I can't remember if it was that show or the other popular fashion reality one, but I once half-watched most of a televised marathon (like 5 or 6 seasons) over a multi-day period with my friend Samantha (GR-name: Also, Safety Math). We also watched made for TV Lifetime movies together. This was during a period when I was most definitely drunko.
i love project runway. i don't know this "other popular fashion reality one", but if you figure it out, tell me and i will follow that one, too. truth be told, if one of us is wearing an ascot in this relationship, it's me.
First picture that pops up via GoogleImage:
Is this supposed to be attractive? Fashionable?
This looks like a failure even in the world of ironic hipster wear.
I should be a fashion judge on TV.
Is this supposed to be attractive? Fashionable?
This looks like a failure even in the world of ironic hipster wear.
I should be a fashion judge on TV.
karen wrote: "i love project runway. i don't know this "other popular fashion reality one", but if you figure it out, tell me and i will follow that one, too. truth be told, if one of us is wearing an ascot in t..."
America's Next Top Model
America's Next Top Model
ugh. thats not a fashion show. thumbs down.
yeah, i didn't like her clothes,(although to be fair, she never made anything like that on the show) i was just trying to wow you once again with my "celebrity" encounters. or put them into perspective for you. they're not all dfws.
yeah, i didn't like her clothes,(although to be fair, she never made anything like that on the show) i was just trying to wow you once again with my "celebrity" encounters. or put them into perspective for you. they're not all dfws.
I'm pretty sure I've seen both shows and can't tell the difference. One has that irritating bitch on it though. That's a big difference. Otherwise, I dunno, it's all fashion competitions, reality TV tropes, and squealing, emotionally-retarded women to me. But I'm a dummy. To me, as long as a woman is barefoot, impregnated and making me a sammich, she can wear whatever she wants. I'm open-minded like that.
the model show is "who can be the prettiest". the project runway is "who can make the nicest clothes". its harder to make clothes that are interesting and nice than it is to be pretty. and more interesting to watch. with fewer catfights. and more boys.
Sam and I sort of discussed this (my stance on fashion) last time I saw her a few weeks ago. I think we concluded that what I hate is high fashion. Shit like this (though this particular one cracks me up):
But I can appreciate other things when it comes to clothing. But mostly I'm just a fashion-world-neanderthal, I guess.
But I can appreciate other things when it comes to clothing. But mostly I'm just a fashion-world-neanderthal, I guess.
It's more like I just know what I like and don't like, but I can't explain it in fashion terms. And it revolves around people that I find attractive and would find attractive in nearly any outfit. So yeah, long story short: I'm not into fashion, but I like looking at attractive models. Who accused me of liking fashion in the first place? No one. Lazy, blabbering Sunday!
yes, but look at the way it hangs... and that shiny lining? wonderful detail work.
this is for girls so skinny that they would otherwise be stepped on or fall through subway grates.
this is for girls so skinny that they would otherwise be stepped on or fall through subway grates.
karen wrote: "the model show is "who can be the prettiest". the project runway is "who can make the nicest clothes". its harder to make clothes that are interesting and nice than it is to be pretty. and more int..."
Ah, ok. I think I've seen more of the former and less of the latter. Yeah, they're not the same, you're right. America's Next Top Model was painful. But I'm an occasional masochist. Plus, I was drunk and making fun of it and making fun of my friend for watching hours on end of it during the marathon. Good times.
Ah, ok. I think I've seen more of the former and less of the latter. Yeah, they're not the same, you're right. America's Next Top Model was painful. But I'm an occasional masochist. Plus, I was drunk and making fun of it and making fun of my friend for watching hours on end of it during the marathon. Good times.
i'm not saying project runway is the height of all entertainment options, but it's better than modelfights (which i have seen a few episodes of, i confess) but i'm seriously addicted to runway
and dresses. but not lineless line-dry dresses.
and dresses. but not lineless line-dry dresses.