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Persuasion by Jane Austen
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While ploughing through Lucy Ellmann's Ducks, Newburyport recently, the frequent references to Jane Austen's Persuasion prompted me to take this neat book down from its place on a high shelf alongside its five sisters and keep it within view as a kind of incentive to finish Ellmann's 1000 page tome.

As it turned out, I didn't need an incentive to finish Ducks because it self-propelled in the second half, but even so, I still offered myself the pleasure of re-reading Persuasion once I'd finished it. There's nothing I like better than when one book leads naturally to another without me having to scratch my head and wonder what might make a good follow-on to what I've been immersed in.

The narrator of Ducks is well versed in all of Jane Austen's novels. She ponders on the dilemma of Marianne and Willoughby from Sense and Sensibility when confronted with an issue between her temperamental daughter and a good-for-nothing boyfriend. She mentions Emma Woodhouse a few times, and several characters from Pride and Prejudice too—indeed Mrs Bennett's famous line, "You have no compassion for my poor nerves" becomes a kind of unspoken mantra in Ellmann's book.

But the Austen character who is most often referenced is Anne Elliot, the main character of Persuasion. Ellmann's narrator identifies strongly with Anne. They both spent their childhoods in beautiful houses which their families no longer have access to. They are both very attached to the memory of their mothers whom they lost in their early teens, and the loss of the mother continues to influence their lives in different ways.

Of course the two books are very different in other respects, Ellmann's being a wide-ranging commentary on contemporary world issues, and including vast numbers of references to film, literature and poetry, while Austen's is a very contained account of a little slice of English life in the early 1800s, with very few literary references. The two such references I found are brief and easily glossed over—if I noticed them in previous reads, I moved on from them just as quickly. But I'm a different reader now and I love to find hints of other works in the literature I read. The first reference I spotted was to 18th century poet, Mathew Prior's Henry and Emma which tells of a test of loyalty which a lover imposes on his loved one: Emma must overcome a series of challenges in order to prove her constancy to Henry. Austen inserts the reference to Prior's poem just when Anne Elliot is being asked by the man she has loved for years to nurse back to health the girl he now seems to be in love with, so the story of Henry setting trials for Emma seems very apt indeed. And as we read on through Anne Elliot's story, we see the parallel more and more as Anne's constancy is further tested.

The second literary reference I came across is less significant to the plot and more connected to Austen's people-watching skills, the aspect of her writing I admire the most. How perceptive of people's foibles she must have been to be able to transfer to the page brief character sketches which manage to contain a host of subtle information especially relating to the more ludicrous traits of the personalities of her characters. In her other novels, there are portraits of ridiculous figures aplenty: Mrs Bennet, Mr Collins, Miss Bates, Mr Woodhouse, and several others I could mention, but surely none are so comically outrageous as super-conceited Sir Walter Eliot and his equally puffed-up daughters Elizabeth and Mary. The very modest Anne Eliot is sorely tried, as if she needed the extra challenge, in having them for family!

However, there is one occasion when Anne makes an effort to put herself forward in the pushy manner of her family, but she is immediately self-aware enough to laugh at herself for the attempt : She could not do so, without comparing herself with Miss Larolles, the inimitable Miss Larolles.
As there is no character called Miss Larolles in this book, and Jane Austen doesn't elaborate further, I guessed the inimitable Miss Larolles must be a literary figure who would be familiar to Austen's readers. And so she is, as I found when I looked her up. She is a very ridiculous character from Fanny Burney's Cecilia, which was written about thirty five years before Austen wrote Persuasion. As I've never read anything by Fanny Burney, I decided there and then to begin Cecilia as soon as I finished Persuasion which I did all too quickly.

Burney's is a long book, quite as long as Ducks, Newburyport, but I'm happily reading it at the moment, finding other parallels with Austen's books, and relieved once again that one book has led me directly to another.
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Violet wells I'm thinking I ought to revisit Austen this year. I love Woolf's quote about her - "Of all great writers she is the most difficult to catch in the act of greatness." I'm thinking I want another bash at trying to identify that greatness.


Julie G Fionnuala,
Persuasion is tied with Pride and Prejudice as my favorite Austen, and I am a devotee of Anne Elliot's. If you ever get the chance to watch the 1995 British production of it, starring Amanda Root and Ciaran Hinds, please do. Truly, you can trust me on this recommendation!


Karen Canova Persuasion is my very favorite Jane Austen novel. I agree with Julie above that the 1995 production of it with Amanda Root and Ciaran Hinds is absolutely wonderful. It may be the best adaptation of a novel ever (in my humble opinion). I think it’s time to re-read Persuasion, thanks for the idea, Fionnuala.


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Fionnuala Violet wrote: "I'm thinking I ought to revisit Austen this year. I love Woolf's quote about her - "Of all great writers she is the most difficult to catch in the act of greatness." I'm thinking I want another bash.."

That's an interesting quote, Violet. Austen was surely modest about her greatness so we won't find her flaunting it. But I don't see that it's so hard to spot all the same. For me, it lies in the creation of a great number of very memorable characters who between them possess a most amusing array of foibles. And of course, her ability to put just the right words in their mouths—I love her dialogues!


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Fionnuala Julie wrote: "Fionnuala,
Persuasion is tied with Pride and Prejudice as my favorite Austen, and I am a devotee of Anne Elliot's. If you ever get the chance to watch the 1995 British production of it, starring Amanda Root..."


Thanks, Julie. I've never watched an adaptation of this book.


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Fionnuala Karen wrote: "Persuasion is my very favorite Jane Austen novel. I agree with Julie above that the 1995 production of it with Amanda Root and Ciaran Hinds is absolutely wonderful. It may be the best adaptation of..."

The 'best adaptation of a novel ever' is certainly a good recommendation, Karen—added to Julie's enthusiastic endorsement!


Antigone How wonderful to be guided back to a favorite novel, and then to have it lead you to an enriching third! I look forward to your thoughts on Cecilia and that tremendously endearing literary nudge to our next delight. ;-)


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Jan Rice My thoughts echo Antigone's: how fascinating to be led along this course of discovery!


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Fionnuala Antigone wrote: "How wonderful to be guided back to a favorite novel, and then to have it lead you to an enriching third! I look forward to your thoughts on Cecilia and that tremendously endearing literary nudge..."

I wish I might nudge you to read Persuasion, Antigone! I remember we spoke of it a while back. But...no pressure :-)


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Fionnuala Jan wrote: "My thoughts echo Antigone's: how fascinating to be led along this course of discovery!"

I've thought about reading Fanny Burney in the past, Jan, but somehow, other books always took precedence. This time, I didn't even falter but rushed straight into it. Very long books from the late 1700s can seem a bit like a cold bath—you have to jump in quick or you'll never do it!


Laura Wonderful review - it just totally makes me want to rush to find my copy of Persuasion. I loved it so many years ago - your portrait of Anne and her trials makes her sound so human - perhaps a lot like Miss Austen. And v interesting parallels with Ducks - a book I was not too keen to engage with - but reviewing my attitude there also.


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Hanneke Great review, Fionnnuala. I am so glad to see you on another path of discovery!


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Fionnuala Laura wrote: "Wonderful review - it just totally makes me want to rush to find my copy of Persuasion. I loved it so many years ago - your portrait of Anne and her trials makes her sound so human -perhaps a lot like Miss Austen.."

Don't they say that this book reflects a disapponting love affair Jane Austen had with a young Irish relative. Anne's father, who as you remember only likes to be in the presence of good-looking people, refers to a young man's appearance at one point while speaking to his Irish cousin, Lady Dalrymple:
"A well-looking man," said Sir Walter, "a very well-looking man." "A very fine young man indeed!" said Lady Dalrymple. "More air than one often sees in Bath. Irish, I dare say."
Since the fine young man is never referred to again, the reader feels that Jane Austen is having a little personal fun here. Or at least we hope that while writing that line she didn't have cause to shed a tear...


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Fionnuala Hanneke wrote: "Great review, Fionnnuala. I am so glad to see you on another path of discovery!"

Thanks Hanneke. Who'd have thought that Ducks, Newburyport would lead to reading Fanny Burney!


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Katia N Oh, I am really enchanted how you move back in time with all of these Fionnuala. I wonder which century would you end up with and in which country. I hope it will be deep in the past and not England;-) And then you can move back forward again - fantastic!


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Ken Not sure why, but Jane Austen is like catnip for women. (OK, maybe I WOULD be sure why if I actually read her, but I've avoided Austen since being force-marched through Pride and Prejudice in my high school Brit. Lit. class).

Anyway, my wife is among the legions. Books, movies, books. And now she's been watching Sanditon on TV, and she and a friend discussing some hunk on the show who dips skinny or somesuch.

And NOW there's a new Emma movie out at the theaters, and guess who is expected to be a "good sport" and bring his wife?

At least there's solace in Twain, who wrote: " I haven't any right to criticize books, and I don't do it except when I hate them. I often want to criticize Jane Austen, but her books madden me so that I can't conceal my frenzy from the reader; and therefore I have to stop every time I begin. Every time I read Pride and Prejudice I want to dig her up and beat her over the skull with her own shin-bone."


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Fionnuala Katia wrote: "Oh, I am really enchanted how you move back in time with all of these Fionnuala. I wonder which century would you end up with and in which country. I hope it will be deep in the past and not England..."

Further back in time, and not an English author? That's some challenge, Katia!
But all the pre-1700 non-English authors who have popped into my head, such as Rabelais, Cervantes and Ariosto, I've read already...
Oh, I've got it! I could follow your example and finally read Dante!


message 18: by Doris (new)

Doris I am reading Lucy Elmann and I konw her preoccupation with narratives ' of Austen It has to do with female's sensibility, of couse different in age and epoque but sharing English as a medium


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Fionnuala Ken wrote: "Not sure why, but Jane Austen is like catnip for women. (OK, maybe I WOULD be sure why if I actually read her, but I've avoided Austen since being force-marched through Pride and Prejudice in my high school.."

There might be elements in Jane Austen's writing that would surprise you, Ken. For example, the discovery I made in this book of the poet Matthew Prior. When I looked him up, I found not only the poetry, but information about a life of travel and adventure as a writer and diplomat and friend of Jonathan Swift. Very interesting indeed.
But there are other aspects that might surprise you too. In several of her books, there are characters who seem out of place in 'romance' stories. One such is Admiral Croft in Persuasion. I can imagine his groans if he had to accompany his wife to some play or other he considered 'foolish'! But a better example might be Mr Bennet from Pride and Prejudice. He disassociates himself at every turn from the narrative he finds himself in. We can almost hear him say, "I'll be in my library. Let me know when the story is finally over." He is so droll that I can even imagine him thinking along Twain lines: that he'd be very happy to dig up the bodies of certain people who presume they'll outlive him, and bash their skulls in with their own shin bones!
And apropos of Twain, why does he say, "Every time I read Pride and Prejudice…" He sounds as if he's read it just as often as I have!
Another apropos: I feel that Jane Austen has been badly served by all the movie and tv adaptations of her work (I saw a trailer for that new Emma movie and it looked farcical). The adaptations place all the emphasis on the plots and intrigue while in the books, the emphasis is much more on presenting us with slices of life as the writer observed it, and all delivered in a very readable style. You just can't separate Jane Austen from her writing style—it's the writing I return for again and again.


message 20: by Doris (new)

Doris Exacrly. Emma and Eliyabeth and Anne were the heroines of one pero of life, where thez were imesed entirely They all were herones checking on in their realtes for approval of their reflections, their attirudes of the moment


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Simon Robs 'There's nothing I like better than when one book leads naturally to another without me having to scratch my head and wonder what might make a good follow on to what I've been immersed in.'

That's part of the wonder, the guided pull from book to book that seems, when it's rewarded in new and expanding confirmations of reader's' affirmations of bounty. There's means to this madness!


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Fionnuala Doris wrote: "I am reading Lucy Elmann and I konw her preoccupation with narratives ' of Austen It has to do with female's sensibility, of couse different in age and epoque but sharing English as a medium"

Yes, Doris, there are aspects of being a woman that don't change though the centuries do. Of course, in Persuasion, Austen concentrates on how a young woman copes while living under the same roof as a domineering father into adulthood. Anne's situation would be very different today even if she still lived at home. Education and work would have given her independence and there'd no longer be need to accompany her father every where and put up with his ridiculous and judgemental monologues. I meant to quote some of his more outrageous opinions. Here's one: The worst of Bath was the number of its plain women. He did not mean to say that there were no pretty women, but the number of the plain was out of all proportion. He had frequently observed, as he walked, that one handsome face would be followed by thirty, or five-and-thirty frights; and once, as he had stood in a shop on Bond Street, he had counted eighty-seven women go by, one after another, without there being a tolerable face among them. It had been a frosty morning, to be sure, a sharp frost, which hardly one woman in a thousand could stand the test of. But still, there certainly were a dreadful multitude of ugly women in Bath; and as for the men! they were infinitely worse. Such scarecrows as the streets were full of! It was evident how little the women were used to the sight of anything tolerable, by the effect which a man of decent appearance produced. He had never walked anywhere arm-in-arm with Colonel Wallis (who was a fine military figure, though sandy-haired) without observing that every woman's eye was upon him…


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Fionnuala Simon wrote: "That's part of the wonder, the guided pull from book to book that seems, when it's rewarded in new and expanding confirmations of reader's' affirmations of bounty. There's means to this madness!"

And then there's the knowledge that the bounty is never ending, Simon, and that the tracking of our way through it is sure to be ever more interesting! I'm sure readers must smile more than most:-))


message 24: by Doris (last edited Feb 22, 2020 08:49AM) (new)

Doris Pregnany motherhood, ilness women 's ilness and her empathy with animal world young and old that's her concern.not ar al romantic love but healthy social relationdhip , they are Austen's concerns and Lucy's too


message 25: by Teresa (last edited Feb 22, 2020 12:37PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Teresa Fionnuala, I saw your comment at your Ducks, Newburyport review that you were reading its narrator's favorite book and I wanted to ask what it was, but I knew I'd find out eventually. I'm pleased that it's my favorite JA (I've read it a few times as well), which puts me another step closer to reading the Ellmann sooner rather than later.

As to Ken's comment here, men used to be the main readers of Austen and a man is the one who coined the term Janeite to refer to those readers (though the term has a different connotation now). I agree that the extraneous stuff around her works is what has turned off some people from reading her.

As to your comment to Doris, there are aspects of being a woman that don't change though the centuries do. Of course, in Persuasion, Austen concentrates on how a young woman copes while living under the same roof as a domineering father into adulthood. Anne's situation would be very different today even if she still lived at home, and the mention of Woolf above: I am reading Night and Day right now and am reminded of Katharine, though she's mostly trying to get away from her mother.


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Fionnuala I remember Woolf's Katherine, Teresa. Yes, she is a great example of the changes that had taken place since the time of Anne Elliot. But Katherine is still hampered by conventions from pursuing studies that might interest her, or friendships with people outside her own class. She's almost free, she just needed to be born a few few decades later.
That's interesting about men being the original Janeites. How fashions change!
If you read Ellmann, you're guaranteed to enjoy all the Austen references. I hope you do read it—I find I'm really curious to know how friends will experience it!


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Lee Foust I am so jealous--finding more dead ends than connections these days. Found this inspiring to push on however! Thank you.


Warwick I'm happy to hear that this will lead you to Cecilia, since I just read and loved it a few weeks ago, and still find myself thinking fondly of Miss Larolles – who is, indeed, inimitable.


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Fionnuala Lee wrote: "I am so jealous--finding more dead ends than connections these days. Found this inspiring to push on however! Thank you."

May books full of Irresistible Connections catch your eye soon, Lee!


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Laysee How interesting, Fionnuala, to make the links you do across the books you read, and that is possible because you're so well read. It's been years since I read Austen. 'Persuasion' was an examinable text I read for school. It's embarrassing I don't remember anything about it. I need to re-visit it one day. :-)


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Fionnuala Warwick wrote: "I'm happy to hear that this will lead you to Cecilia, since I just read and loved it a few weeks ago, and still find myself thinking fondly of Miss Larolles – who is, indeed, inimitable."

Last night as I was reading Burney's novel, I hit on the very passage that Austen had in mind when she mentioned Miss Larolles, Warwick. Indeed the two scenes are almost exact replicas in that the characters in both books are at concerts where the audience is obliged to sit on long benches during the performance. Austen's Anne Elliot very uncharacteristically decides to move towards the end of the bench in the hope of speaking to Captain Wentworth and she could not do so, without comparing herself with Miss Larolles, the inimitable Miss Larolles; but still she did it, and not with much happier effect...
Here's the scene in Burney's book for those who haven't yet met the very 'voluble' Miss Larolles:
"Do you know," continued Miss Larolles, "Mr. Meadows has not spoke one word to me all the evening! Though I am sure he saw me, for I sat at the outside on purpose to speak to a person or two, that I knew would be strolling about; for if one sits on the inside, there's no speaking to a creature, you know, so I never do it at the Opera, nor in the boxes at Ranelagh, nor any where. It's the shockingest thing you can conceive to be made sit in the middle of those forms; one might as well be at home, for nobody can speak to one,"
"But you don't seem to have had much better success," said Cecilia, "in keeping at the outside."
"O yes I have, for I got a little chat with two or three people as they were passing, for, you know, when one sits there, they can't help saying something; though I assure you all the men are so exceedingly odd they don't care whether they speak to one or no. As to Mr. Meadows, he's really enough to provoke one to death. I suppose he's in one of his absent fits. However, I assure you I think it's extreme impertinent of him, and so I shall tell Mr. Sawyer, for I know he'll make a point of telling him of it again..."



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Fionnuala Laysee wrote: "How interesting, Fionnuala, to make the links you do across the books you read..."

Perhaps it's because the writers I'm more and more drawn to are great readers themselves, Laysee, and they inevitably draw on their own reading when they write...


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Barbara I also love when one book leads me to another. It is like going on an adventure. I love your point about how a second read may be appreciated in a totally new way. Not only the books we have read but our experiences since the first read bring new perspectives. If only there weren't so many books I haven't read at all. Maybe rereading should be a new goal for me.


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Doris Good point. Rereading is a new way of rereaging things in your mind and culturallz important for zour reading It gives moreprospective than mere plot. It goes between the lines


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Gaurav I read this book way ago, so it's nice to revisit it through your review, Fionnuala. Your ability to make connections between different books is remarkable and it also shows how erudite reader you are. Your lovely review is a gentle reminder to pick the book again.


TBV (on hiatus) Ah, I love how one book leads to another, to another... your persuasive review nudges me to reread some Austen.


Leslie Rutkowski Persuasion is my favorite Austen novel and I think I will have to give Ducks a try. Perhaps it will lead me to reread Sense and Sensibility which is my least favorite Austen novel and the only one I’ve never reread. I do so love a book that leads me to other books. A well-read book is as precious as a well-read friend.


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Fionnuala Barbara wrote: "...I love your point about how a second read may be appreciated in a totally new way. Not only the books we have read but our experiences since the first read bring new perspectives... "

That's what makes the reading life so rich, isn't it, Barbara? Nothing we've read is wasted. Books read in the past serve as an under layer to the books we read in the present, and they often marble the current reading experience with blurred images and faint echoes.


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Fionnuala Doris wrote: "Good point. Rereading is a new way of rereaging things in your mind and culturallz important for zour reading It gives moreprospective than mere plot. It goes between the lines"

Yes,indeed, Doris. Rereading frees us from the trappings of the plot and allows us to pay attention to all the other aspects of the writing. Jane Austen's books bear up to being read in that slower more thoughtful way. There's far more in them than simply the 'marriage plot' they are known for.


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Fionnuala Gaurav wrote: "I read this book way ago, so it's nice to revisit it through your review, Fionnuala. Your ability to make connections between different books is remarkable ..."

At a certain stage in our reading lives, connections are almost unavoidable, don't you think? But yes, we have to enjoy nosing them out and I certainly do!


Dolors Truly grateful for this review, Fionnuala, as it has opened a new world to jump back into Austen's novels, looking for those literary trails that make the choice of the next book natural and pleasant!
I will be looking forward to your review on Burney's book.


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Fionnuala I think I reread all of Austen's books when my children were very young, Dolors. I could pick up one of her books when I had a quiet moment and immediately be cushioned in the world of the characters, and since I knew the plots backwards, there was no frustration in immediately dropping the book as soon as the baby woke up!


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Fionnuala TBV wrote: "Ah, I love how one book leads to another, to another... your persuasive review nudges me to reread some Austen."

I'm happy to be your Lady Russell ;-)


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Fionnuala Leslie wrote: "Persuasion is my favorite Austen novel and I think I will have to give Ducks a try. Perhaps it will lead me to reread Sense and Sensibility which is my least favorite Austen novel and the only one I've never reread..."

S&S is so much more serious than the others, with hardly any really outrageous characters —except for the sister-in-law perhaps, that it's no wonder we don't find ourselves rereading it so much. I'm not sure I ever have either because when I try to recall it, my memory of the characters is in full colour—from a movie adaptation! Every other memory is gone:-(


message 45: by Doris (last edited Feb 27, 2020 12:25AM) (new)

Doris Very good thinking about women's reaction to their place in rge world with their thoughts comprising fears and hopes


message 46: by s.penkevich (new)

s.penkevich Outstanding review, I love the conversation between books you created here!


Cheryl Fionnuala, your comparative reading is encouraging. Great point you make about her observation skills and ability to render a character authentic on the page.


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Fionnuala Doris wrote: "Very good thinking about women's reaction to their place in rge world with their thoughts comprising fears and hopes"

That certainly is the case for the narrator of Ducks, Newburyport, Doris.


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Fionnuala s.penkevich wrote: "Outstanding review, I love the conversation between books you created here!"

It's a thing I love to do, Steve—make the books I read hook up.
In this case, it was easier than usual since the authors are willing to name their literary references upfront. With someone like Joyce, it's not so obvious...


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Fionnuala Cheryl wrote: "…Great point you make about her observation skills and ability to render a character authentic on the page."

Indeed, Cheryl—Austen is so skillful at honing in on the flaws of humanity that even her more caricatural characters somehow seem fully credible. No mean feat.


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