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The Lies of Locke Lamora by Scott Lynch
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Back when I was first published, people made a lot of comparisons between me and Scott Lynch.

The sentiment was mostly along the lines of "Pat Rothfuss is the next Scott Lynch!"

Here's the thing, Lies of Lock Lamora had come out almost exactly a year before my first book, The Name of the Wind. It was Scott's first book, the first in a fantasy series. The world was gritty and real, and it had knocked everyone over with how good it was.

So I knew it was a flattering comparison, but at the time, I was kinda irked by it. I remember thinking, "Why do I have to be the next Scott Lynch? Why can't I just be the first Pat Rothfuss? I'll probably be a lot better at that, I've got way more experience at it if nothing else...."

Years later I finally got around to reading Lies and enjoyed it. I saw that it was a clever book, and gritty, with a cool world. And there was an orphan boy in it who was a witty, mouthy thief. A while after that, I met Scott and really liked him as well. So I let go of what little residual irritation I had, not that there was very much...

Fast forward to now. This last week I started re-reading Lies, and I was absolutely fucking *stunned* by how good it is. The construction of it. The language. The world. The cleverness. The wit.

There is nothing I don't like in this book. Seriously. Okay. Fine. One tiny *tiny* quibble.

Even so, do you know how rare it is for me to say that? Right now, in the full flush of this second reading, I think Lies is probably in e in my top ten favorite books ever. Maybe my top five.

It's not really fair to compare the two books. They're different styles. Different subjects. Different worlds.

That said, here's the things that The Lies of Locke Lamora does better than The Name of the Wind.

1. The beginning of his book is stronger than mine.

Seriously. 50 pages into my book, you'll have reached the point where someone is starting to actually tell a story.

50 pages into Lies, you know the main character and are halfway into a fucking heist.

2. His title is better than mine.

Don't get me wrong. The Name of the Wind is a good title, it's the *right* title for my book. But "The Lies of Lock Lamora" that's a faboo title right there.

And his series title is better than mine too. "Gentleman Bastard" beats "Kingkiller Chronicles" hands-down.

3. His cussing is better than mine.

Not in real life. In real life I cuss like a sailor. But the language in my books is pretty genteel and tame.

In Lies, Lynch's low-life street thugs are vulgarian virtuosos. This might seem like a little thing, but it's not. It builds the world. It shows character. It helps make the story feel truly, perfectly grubby and real.

Here it is in a nutshell: When I was first published, I was irritated when people compared me to Scott Lynch. Only now do I realize how huge a compliment I was being given.

If you haven't read it, you should. If you have read it, you should probably read it again....
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D'arcy After I finished A Wise Mans Fear I was having a hard come down, So I had my e-reader to find me something similar. The Lies of Locke Lamora was what it offered me.Was a great read and took the sting out from ending WMF


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Arthur Mahler I bought it a couple weeks ago thanks to reddit who said it would be something to get me through what I now call my "post-Rothfussian depression".
I haven't started yet, but your praise just makes me more eager to do so.
Just one more thing: while the title of the series is indeed more catchy, I still think that The Name of The wind is a better book title.


message 53: by Al (new) - rated it 3 stars

Al Britten Chris wrote: "Those of you that love those two books you should check out this one https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1...

It was a sleeper as far as I could tell, goodreads helped me find it. ..."


Totally agree with this. Great book


Suzanne Berget I think I'm going to pick up a copy of Lies now, and see what all the fuss is about.

Did the same with The Name of The Wind, and although it is very well-written, and I finished it, I didn't much like it. Seems too few authors these days appreciate In Medias Res, and letting the reader find out things on their own. There's just too much information, some of which is uninteresting and irrelevant, and the pacing is horrendously slow. When the information load is that great, there isn't much room for surprises. We already know what happens to (young)Kvothe, so when he finds himself in a dangerous situation there's no thrill or excitement there, because we already know he's going to pull through. His life is never really at stake...I find the outer tale to be far more interesting, and I wish you'd spent more time on that in the first book. I am going to read the second book just to see how things happen, and if there's more of a development in older Kvothe's story.

But my main issue is that young Kvothe is, for me at least, a wholly unlikable character. He's too "perfect", he's selfish, ego-centric, reckless, disrespectful, inconsiderate and in general a major douche. But maybe I just think that about all teenage boys who have no siblings. A kid without siblings is an acquired taste, especially as grown-ups.
That said I didn't like Harry Potter much either. Oh, I loved the series, but HP himself is a brat. Ronny Weasley, on the other hand, is a wonderful character.

If I was going to compare your book to any other(without having read Lies) I would say Peter V Brett's The Painted Man. Almost two-thirds of the books is spent on backstory, and the plot itself is barely enough for a 100-150 pages.


But then again, taste will always be highly subjective.


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Whiterose I much prefer your books, I couldn't put them down, but haven't managed to get through lies yet even though I've tried a couple of times


Kenneth nderitu Ive re-read the lies of locke lammora at least once again every year since i first read it in 2010!..though i think that lynch's series is more witty and gritty then kingkiller chronicle..your prose and world building are second only to god himself(brandon sanderon)


message 57: by Lynn (new) - rated it 5 stars

Lynn Williams I'm going to be a total wimp and say that I wouldn't be able to choose one over the other because I love both series.
Lynn :D


message 58: by Mike (new) - rated it 4 stars

Mike I'm reading The Lies for the first time currently. I'm about 75% through and while I have enjoyed it a great deal I'm very surprised nobody else upthread here has commented on a number of things that have annoyed me in the story. For example, the childhood sequences should have stopped about a third of the way into the book. In the second half of the book they stop feeling like a cool origin story and start feeling like exposition, and sometimes they really ruin the pacing. After a really dramatic, and traumatic, section at about 60% in we are treated to an interlude discussing the sport of handball. Gah! So frustrating. It's one of the best settings I've ever read, the language use is brilliant, the dialogue is witty but dear god sometimes the pacing is frustrating. Also it pissed me off mightily that it took Locke and co so long to actually start thinking critically about the Grey King and what he was up to - I really would have thought that was the first thing they'd have done.


message 59: by Erin (new) - rated it 5 stars

Erin It's near the top of my to-re-read list. Fantastic dialogue, I absolutely adore the banter between Lamora and his friends. And his enemies. And strangers.


Chelsea I couldn't agree more with you, Glenj. I came across Blood Song a few months back and I was stunned by it


Rusminin Ok, the name might true be better, but if Pat would've called his book "The lies of Kvothe the kingslayer" it would be too obvious. Insted, for 2 books already we have been trying to figure out whether he tells a true story or not. Also: Wise Man Fear along the saying is a bloody marvelous title


Ashley Kent I also love Lies, but I really don't get the comparison. Style and tone are totally different, I think...


Ashley Kent Oh, and a P.S. I gave my boyfriend The Name of the Wind for Christmas two years ago and he's finally getting around to reading it. He is a ridiculously slow reader, like it can take him six months to get through a book...which drives me crazy, of course. Anyhoo, he's read 100 pages in two days! That's unheard of, and a pretty ringing endorsement of just how awesome you are...;)


Chelsea Ashley wrote: "I also love Lies, but I really don't get the comparison. Style and tone are totally different, I think..."

Nono, I agree. I don't really see many similarities between the two books, I was just commenting on Anthony Ryan's book that was mentioned.


Thomas Jarboe I love your love for this book! I just posted a blog where I listed my three current favorite authors and you and Mr. Lynch were two of the three. The third was Joe Abercrombie. The three of you are the freshest, most original, and gritty fantasy novels to come out in the last decade (at least to me). And you all three are distinctly different in style and type of fantasy. I'd love to know what you think of Mr. Abercrombie's stuff.


Lucas Thomas, you might like Pat's glowing review of the First Law trilogy or his interview with Abercrombie then.


Ashley Kent Chelsea wrote: "Ashley wrote: "I also love Lies, but I really don't get the comparison. Style and tone are totally different, I think..."

Nono, I agree. I don't really see many similarities between the two books,..."


After reading all this I immediately downloaded Blood Song and I can't wait to try it out...right after I finish Republic of Thieves, of course! Love getting new book recommendations...


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Amy Zinger When people ask me what my favorite fantasy books are, I immediately say, "'The Name of the Wind' and 'The Lies of Locke Lamora.'" If they try to pin me down to one, I say, "'The Name of the Wind,' BUT YOU HAVE TO READ BOTH!"

The writing in the Kingkiller Chronicles has a certain finesse that the Gentleman Bastards lacks. But then again, the Gentleman Bastards' cursing has a poetry of its own. I can't even count how many times I've stopped myself from exclaiming "Perelandro's balls!" in moments of frustration or excitement. Nobody would have a clue.


message 69: by Thomas (last edited Oct 14, 2013 03:03PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Thomas Jarboe Lucas wrote: "Thomas, you might like Pat's glowing review of the First Law trilogy or his interview with Abercrombie then."
Thanks! This is exactly why I need to be more present on the interwebs :)


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Michael Tritter I hate to disagree with you Patrick because you are, well, Patrick Rothfuss, but I must. I think you might just be having a moment. It's okay, we all do. I've read NAME three times and been thoroughly enchanted each time. I got 1/2 through LIES and set it aside. I'm going back to again, for everyone says the second half is where it really shines anyhow, and because you basically insisted that we all should. Fair enough. However, in many reviews of LIES I have found a common thread of complaint, the pith of which is that the gritty characters succeed in a gritty world in a gritty way, and that is that. We, the reader, leaves the experience of having read LIES no richer in our basic humanity than we entered. This is not true of NAME. Kvothe has the opportunity to become a jaded and callous individual, a villain even, and no reader would blame him given his circumstances. He could have become cold and unloving, to never be brave enough to have his heart broken again after his childhood. Kvothe could have become sly or weak or overly forgiving, or at the worst, simply mild. Kvothe rather emerges with the best qualities of strength, confidence, tenderness, justice and compassion. The reader of NAME emerges with a renewed sense of humanity. LIES might be great fiction, but NAME is a great story; they aren't even in the same league in my opinion.


message 71: by Ajd123babelfish (new)

Ajd123babelfish I'm reading it right now. It is very nice. But don't fret the cussing thing. I like that you're books are "genteel." It makes them classier. Did Tolkien cuss up a storm? Or the Beatles for that matter? Nope. Class.


message 72: by Matt (new) - rated it 1 star

Matt Clara I bought this book based on your recommendation, above, and while I'm only 50 pages into it, all I can say is it doesn't hold a fucking candle to your book(s). Seriously, I'm bored to tears here and starting to suspect there's zero magic in Lynch's world. Remember in the song of ice and fire series when Arya Stark goes overseas and joins the guild of the faceless men and her story is reset, or begins anew? That's what happens to Locke when we're only 30 pages into the book, and nothing of interest has happened to that point. I'll give it through the heist you mentioned and see if that gets my attention...


Perrine Family We appreciate the genteel speech in your books. I tried LoL and I couldn't continue it due to the harsh speech. PLUS we can listen to your book in the car with the kids on road trips.


Jotan Fejrd While I'd also place The Gentleman Bastards series on my top 10 shelf, I've got to say I hope you're NOT the next Scott Lynch. I don't think it's a spoiler to say that GB veers strongly towards the tragic, and I really can't take more heartache on my top 10 shelf.

So, that third book of yours... whatever timey-wimey-spacey-wacey-wibbly-wobbly stuff you have to do to make it end happily, please do it!


Melissa I am so not agreeing with you concerning the best beginning of the two books. Your prologue is brillant, a singing prose close to poetry that capture me (and my curiosity) and make me love your book(s). These are really two different worlds with two different writing's styles, both are excellent but cannot be compared.


Robert Walker got it on your recommendation, cheers!


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Erin I have not read this book, but it is certainly on my to-read list! That said, I must disagree on some points:

1. The beginning of his book is stronger than mine.

Not possible. I have never read a better opening than yours, it was beautiful, poetic, perfect, setting the stage so perfectly and allowing a glimpse at the soul of our protagonist; reading it for the first time was like falling in love. NotW had me at hello.

2. His title is better than mine.

Nah, not a bad title, but the triple L's calls too much attention to itself, IMHO. "The Name of the Wind" is beautiful and elegant, and part of the reason why I picked up the book when I saw it on the new release shelf (that, and I will admit, the shirtless red-haired guy on the original cover!).

3. His cussing is better than mine.

LOL, I have no opinion on this one! If it works, it works. I seldom notice cussing when reading unless it doesn't work or is completely over-the-top, which is generally a form of not-working.


message 78: by Allan (new)

Allan Bumping it up on my reading list now.


Godslayer I recently read Lies, and whilst it is good, it doesn't make it into the top ten. The Name Of The Wind most definitely does.


Nancy Robert wrote: "I recently read Lies, and whilst it is good, it doesn't make it into the top ten. The Name Of The Wind most definitely does."
I am with you, Robert.


Sondra Regretfully I have to disagree, I couldn't read this book! I can count on one hand (maybe two FINGERS!) how many books I've started and couldn't bring myself to finish and this was one of them! I WANTED so much to like it too, due to all the rave reviews, but I just couldn't do it. I read up until they set up the heist, maybe a little further.

Name of the Wind was quite the opposite, however, I couldn't put it down!

True, it's a great name but that's all I can say about it that I liked, lol, sorry. I may try again someday...maybe I was just not in the right frame of mind or mood? Idk but I found it tedious and boring, and call me stupid (which I MAY well be) but I had a hard time figuring out wth was going on...maybe I just didn't want to THINK so much, sometimes I like to read simply so I don't HAVE TO think, lol.


Jennifer Loved BOTH books. So glad there's a Scott Lynch I and Pat Rothfuss I. Yes they both were great adventures with mischief and mayhem abounding...both were my ABSOLUTE favorites in the year I read them. I recommend Name of the Wind AND Lies of Locke Lamora to anyone who likes gritty fantasy with edgy sass.


Jennifer Also, how refreshingly humble you are Mr. Rothfuss. Can't wait to see what book #3 looks like after your own critical analysis of your work....I can only imagine it will make you an even STRONGER writer. I eagerly look forward to it.


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Valerie Mr. Rothfuss, you underestimate how good your books are! Your series and Scott Lynch's are both good - but they are apples and oranges. I am eagerly awaiting your next book.


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Paul Toledo Sir Pat, I believe that the title to your first book gives off a sense of poetry, which reminds me of Kvothe and his epic journey across that vibrant world. "The Lies of Locke Lamora" is a title that instantly makes me feel whimsical for some reason.


Alanna-Jane Well now, I suppose that this is the last straw. I am most definitely going to dig into this series immediately (if not sooner). I am not yet convinced that I could love it nearly as much as The KingKiller Chronicles (in my top 5), but only time will tell.


Megan Corwin This book was awesome, I still think yours was better, if a little more work to read. Can't wait for #3.


Casey Patrick, I loved your review of this book. It is what actually convinced me to pick it up and nominate it for my bookclub. I loved The Name of the Wind but you said it yourself it took such effort to get into your story where I just found myself carried away in this book.


Stupid Fox Rothfuss>Lynch anyday. The Name of the Wind's language was BEAUTIFUL. I find the language in Lies of Locke Lamora to be jarring to the point that I can't even enjoy the read.


message 90: by Nicholas (last edited May 15, 2014 12:23PM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Nicholas 3. His cussing is better than mine... I'm going to agree here. When Master Chains dropped the phrase "nots to be fucked with" in reference to the bondsmagi, like we were in Compton circa 1992, I knew I was reading an author with a special gift for the profane. And I am nothing if not a connoisseur of the profane. Of course there are numerous other examples throughout the book, but that one stuck with me as it also addressed my (continued, unapologetic) connoiseurship of the G-funk era.


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Andrés Cacciamani Awesome... I read the Kingkiller Chronicles and loved them so much. So I am very excited to start reading this series(of course while I wait for the third book of KingKiller Chronicles!)!!


Sharon Funny that I read Lies of Locke Lamora and instantly thought of The Name of the Wind. I did enjoy your review and even looked up the areas you talked about...I have to say I thought the cussing in Lynch's book was overboard where yours was spot on. I like your honesty in where you feel both books lie in comparison to each other. That's pretty refreshing.


Renee E Hmmm . . . maybe I will pick this one up. To be honest, the title put me off. It sounded too much like a romance novel riffing on a pseudo-Scots setting.


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Daniel honestly I didn't get into this book at all.. Rothfuss is much better.


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Rizwan Khalil AWESOME review. Triple thumbs up!


message 96: by Art (new) - rated it 5 stars

Art want to go and re read it now! I love both of these books sooooo much!


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Kelley I guess I will just have to read Scott Lynch


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Carolina Echevarría Tempted to read this...


Steven I'm waiting feverishly for both 'The Thorn of Emberlain' and 'The Doors of Stone'... but of course you're right, I need to re-read 'The Lies of Locke Lamora'... frankly I need to re-read both series. I'm about to have a nervous breakdown with all this waiting. I know it'll be worth it, but still! /dies


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Marcos You have convince me Pat to read this book after the current I'm reading. You have an exquisite taste in books.


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