a response to the most liked 1 star review - spoilers -
1 - It's not exactly an "alternate fantasy" world but it is definitely not reali love nuance.
a response to the most liked 1 star review - spoilers -
1 - It's not exactly an "alternate fantasy" world but it is definitely not reality. It’s a heightened reality. And it’s not the books fault that you don’t seem to understand that concept. It’s Criminal Minds. It’s Hannibal.
2 - There is no escape. Maya brings it up so many times. That there’s only one "safe" way in and out and it’s keypad coded and the Gardeners (that’s what I’m going to call all three men) are so careful because Sophia used this exact way to escape. This makes perfect sense. A girl escaped using the only way the girls could escape. And now the girls can’t try that method anymore. I don’t understand how this wouldn’t make sense.
3 - "young strong women" he controlled everything they ate and specifically did not give them gym equipment. They ran for exercise. This does not inherently make them strong. They are young. Yeah. But they're only 16-21 years old. These girls aren’t adult bodybuilders. They’re children. And the "weapons" he gave them is a pair of sewing scissors? The very threat of one of the girls trying to kill the gardener would’ve probably meant death for all of them. Maya says this multiple times. Where one of them escaping would doom the rest of them. And would make the gardener more aware and more controlling. If they are pliant, then the gardener will be more trusting. They had to be 100% sure that they could all escape. Because these girls love each other. They can’t betray each other.
4 - This is the same point. The scissors. If they failed then they would lose all privileges. It’s almost like it’s a nuanced situation.
5 - This is literally explained. I didn’t love the Sophia reveal but it makes sense. It was explained in a way that was like. Yeah, sure I buy that. She was pregnant. And an ex-drug addict. They were going to take her baby away from her. Her parents weren’t going to support her. This was textual. In the text textual. You can not like that explanation but it is explained and makes enough sense to be like. Okay.
6 - It’s his son. And the gardener was obviously delusional. He wanted Avery to be his successor. Because that’s the mindset we are working with here. Because it's Criminal Minds Hannibal heightened delusion and family values time. How do you not get this. He wanted Avery to be happy. If Avery wasn’t taking this energy out on the butterflies, then he was going to go out into the real world and do it. And get caught. And put the family into the public eye. Or at least make it so the Gardener had to clean up his mess. It would put the family on someone’s radar. It's stupid to operate under the assumption that the Gardener is a rational person who could take the fact that Avery is his son out of the equation when Avery being his son is a major multiplier. An exponent maybe. A factorial even. The sum of everything that came before him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
7 - The wife is sick. She’s probably sleeping most of the day. We don’t know their relationship besides what Maya saw and interpreted. In a heightened fictional atmosphere like this, the usual "his wife is sick and will die from this sickness causes him to withdraw into a happy place" excuse works fine. Like. It’s fine. That’s really all your supposed to do with it. It makes sense.
8 - This was literally the point of having Desmond in the book. To show that he is not a nice normal kid. That the girls hated him. Resented him. To show the values of the family as a whole. To show that the family puts themselves above the well being of others. That’s the point. That Des is a complex character. Just say you don’t like it when every character doesn't act perfectly and go watch Heartstopper.
9 - Why on earth would Maya immediately tell Des what’s going on. This is explained in the book. Multiple times. That they don’t know if they can trust him. They don’t know where his loyalties lay. And the fact that he doesn’t immediately go to the police tells you where his loyalties lay.
10 - The detectives didn’t really give up. They didn’t see anything suspicious. So, they had no reason to further investigate. And then the names were linked together. Keely and Lyonette. I can’t believe I’m defending the cops here. This was in the book. Between Des going to the cops and the explosion, there was only a few days in between. The cops can’t just tear apart someone’s entire property based on a single tip. And this is a good thing btw. That the cops can’t just go into your house and destroy it looking for evidence of wrongdoing without any substantial evidence beforehand. Btw.
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12 - I’m sure some of them did fight back. At least in the early days. They weren’t allowed the tools to kill themselves, you think he gave them actual objects that could be used as weapons???? And saying that they all had Stockholm Syndrome (not the correct usage of the term) after 2 days is soooo belittling to Danelle and even Lorraine. To the girls who got their faces tattooed in attempt to suck up to the Gardener to ensure their safety. It was never about them falling in love with the Gardener. It was about trying to stay alive. (correct usage of Stockholm Syndrome).
13 - Characters were tropey because there’s so many and it’s told from an unreliable narrator through a lens of trauma-nostalgia. The plot didn’t have holes they just didn’t read the book. Literally everything was explained. The book wasn’t going for shock value. Not really. It’s fucked up but in almost a subtle way. It’s quiet about how bad it is. There’s a single line about Avery whipping a girls back to badly that she couldn’t be displayed so she was buried instead. And then we never talk about it again. It’s the nonchalance. "it’s not upsetting" well you sound pretty upset....more
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am i stupid. i don't think so? but maybe possibly. i think a lot of people think this series is doing something very thought provoking and i think i dam i stupid. i don't think so? but maybe possibly. i think a lot of people think this series is doing something very thought provoking and i think i disagree. it's definitely. i'm confused on the intention behind it. ...more
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