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THE BATTLE FOR THE NEW WORLD IS A FIGHT TO THE FINISH! A NEW RING OF FIRE NOVEL BY BEST-SELLING WRITING TEAM ERIC FLINT AND CHARLES E. GANNON

A New Day in the New World

It’s 1637 in the Caribbean. Commander Eddie Cantrell and his ally and friend Admiral Maarten Tromp start it off with some nasty surprises for Spain, whose centuries-long exploitation and rapine of the New World has run unchecked. Until now.

Yet life goes on in the Caribbean. Relationships among the allied Dutch, Swedes, Germans, up-timers, and even Irish mercenaries continue to evolve and deepen. New friendships must be forged with the native peoples, who will not only shape the colonists’ future in the Caribbean, but will also decide whether they will be given access to a Louisiana oilfield that could change the balance of power.

But for now, the only oil Imperial Spain knows about is the crude pouring out of the Allies’ pumps on Trinidad—which threatens its interests in both the New and the Old Worlds. So, following in the footsteps of the conquistadors, the empire’s commanders are resolved to show that they do not take threats lightly or lying down. Indeed, their historical reaction is to respond with overwhelming—and often genocidal—force.

The battle for the New World has not merely begun; it is a fight to the finish.

About 1637: No Peace Beyond the
“The action is non-stop. The authors skillfully blend battle, intrigue, politics, and everyday life in a remade seventeenth century to yield an exciting story. Both those familiar with the series (and this sequel’s predecessor) and those reading “No Peace Beyond the Line” as a first exposure to an addictive series will find it satisfying reading.”—Ricochet.com


About 1635: A Parcel of Rogues :
“The 20th volume in this popular, fast-paced alternative history series follows close on the heels of the events in The Baltic War , picking up with the protagonists in London, including sharpshooter Julie Sims. This time the 20th-century transplants are determined to prevent the rise of Oliver Cromwell and even have the support of King Charles.”— Library Journal

About 1634: The Galileo Affair :
“A rich, complex alternate history with great characters and vivid action. A great read and an excellent book.”— David Drake

“Gripping . . . depicted with power!”— Publishers Weekly

About Eric Flint's Ring of Fire
“This alternate history series is . . . a landmark.”— Booklist

“[Eric] Flint's 1632 universe seems to be inspiring a whole new crop of gifted alternate historians.”— Booklist

“ . . . reads like a technothriller set in the age of the Medicis . . .”— Publishers Weekly

928 pages, Mass Market Paperback

First published November 3, 2020

About the author

Eric Flint

163 books862 followers
Eric Flint was a New York Times bestselling American author, editor, and e-publisher. The majority of his main works were alternate history science fiction, but he also wrote humorous fantasy adventures.

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Profile Image for Debrac2014.
2,179 reviews18 followers
December 22, 2020
I enjoyed it much more than the previous 1636 story with Eddie! Good story line!
Profile Image for Maurynne  Maxwell.
709 reviews24 followers
November 19, 2020
First of all, kudos to the West Virginians & Christians for taking on the issue of slavery; that's one focus of this part of the series. I know that it's believed that half the folks reading this series are fascinated by the battle tactics, strategy, and implementation, and all the glorious technical details of retrofitting modern tech to that of the 1600s. I have less and less patience for those particular details, since I'm more interested in storytelling. (Does Baen's Bar no longer exist for those discussions?) I quit buying the books several years ago because of the cost-effectiveness of skipping those pages, and now I'm considering not asking the library to buy them either. I wish that weren't true. This is a great series in concept and used to be better in execution. Good editors could fix these issues.
732 reviews34 followers
January 9, 2021
If fantasy books could be a beach read :-)
Profile Image for Ron Nurmi.
493 reviews4 followers
December 6, 2020
The story line continues in the 1632 series this time it is centered in the Caribbean we Eddie Cantrell is with the Dutch and Irish allies who are again confronted by the Spanish.
You will need to read this book to see how the story line of 1632 is continued.
If you want action you will find it here and if you want personal lives you will also find it here.
It is well worth the read.
Profile Image for Roy.
432 reviews30 followers
June 22, 2022
A continuation of the Captain Cantrell series within the 163x tales of 20th Century Americans transported back to the Europe of the 1630s and how their ideas change history.

This is truly an enjoyable addition to the series, one of the best ones to read. It had me turning pages incessantly, not wanting to stop. Once again, the story offers interesting takes on historical figures, action and technically interesting improvisations, and, best of all, an exploration of what impact new ideas might have had if introduced 150 years earlier.

It is a true joy to see how the 'up-timers' are approaching their need for resources from the New World with a commitment to not allowing the slavery and genocide of our history. Flint and his writing team are doing a very good job of showing us that it could have been different, that the horrible treatment of the native Americans was an unavoidable side effect of contact with the Europeans. Of course, having rough steamships to constrain the Spanish is a real help.

Roughly 40 books into this series, and, surprisingly, I keep looking forward to the next one.
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44 reviews9 followers
January 7, 2021
The story continues to based on solid historical facts making it much more enjoyable read for me.
In case you did not know, "the Line" is based on nter caetera ('Among other [works]') was a papal bull issued by Pope Alexander VI on the 4 May (quarto nonas maii) 1493, which granted to the Catholic Monarchs Ferdinand and Isabella (as sovereigns of Castile) all lands to the "west and south" of a pole-to-pole line 100 leagues west and south of any of the islands of the Azores or the Cape Verde islands. (Wikipedia). Pretty arrogant if you ask me.
I like the way that Eric Flint has a UMWA president reshape the Western hemisphere and continue to support this story in its' various aspects.

Profile Image for Allen McDonnell.
488 reviews1 follower
December 8, 2020
Another fine addition

Another fine addition to the 1632 series this time meshing the further adventures of Lord Hugh O'Donnell chief of the Irish Wild Geese and Eddie Cantrell uptime spouse of the Danish Kings Daughter.
Profile Image for Alex Shrugged.
2,536 reviews28 followers
May 18, 2022
This book deals with the fight with Spain in the New World. It also deals with slavery and does both admirably without beating the reader senseless over it.

This book is part of the Ring of Fire/1632 series so while jumping into the series at this point is possible, it is not recommended. You will lose too much context such as why this is a time travel book at all, why it is an alternative history book, and why Eddie Cantrell is having sex with his wife every chance he gets. Also why he has a missing leg. Why he is called "Lord Cantrell" and so forth. The assumption is that the reader is somewhat familiar with the main events in the series, and goes on from there.

I suggest reading, "1632", "1633," "1634 The Baltic War," and possibly "1636: Commander Cantrell in the West Indies".

I want to read the series again and have being doing it piecemeal.

Profile Image for Brian.
212 reviews
November 18, 2020
I liked the attempts at character development in some of the traditionally supporting cast. The "bad guys" got a chance to be clever and innovative. (Not, of course, innovative enough to win. But still.) There were the usual collection of battles, which generally were kept interesting by not being excessively stretched out.

Although this was a reasonably thick book, the fact that there are now several story threads going on in the Caribbean means that at the end of the book I felt like not as much got resolved as I would have liked. If only Flint and Gannon could focus on this story line for a bit longer and churn out a couple more books it would really be satisfying. (Particularly since we're left with our primary protagonist in the region setting out on a new adventure in the last couple of pages.) Unfortunately, I suspect I won't see a sequel from either of these authors for some time.

Anyway, if you're a fan of the series, I think you'll like this book.
16 reviews
November 26, 2020
Naval warfare

This was a great book, lots of naval warfare and good projections of how future information could be used. Ends with a cliff hanger. Some timing issues here and there but overall a good read.
November 25, 2020
Another well crafted story in the series. This one is almost two books in length and it keeps your interest. Good battle scenes and human interactions. The good guys take some losses, so it is not all one sided. CMac
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Author 17 books15 followers
August 9, 2020
Fun E-ARC. But it's an E-ARC, and part of a series, and by now it's expected that you're reading at least the main books of that series. Start from the beginning if you're interested, in other words.
77 reviews
October 24, 2023
In the 1632 series concocted originally by Eric Flint and shared with numerous other authors, some well-known (like David Weber) and others perhaps new to the genre has spawned multiple story lines from the original transplanted modern West Virginia town of Grantville into 17th century Europe.
This one regards expansion to the "New World" quite different from our own history as the newly minted USE like so many other European powers joins the scramble for resources (in this case oil) while trying to undo the mistakes of their own past (i.e. slavery, mistreatment of indigenous peoples) while battling with Spain for control of the Carribean alongside allies from Holland and Irish Mercenaries (the Wild Geese).
This thread I found engaging though I sense Flint yielded much of the writing to co-author Charles Gannon. The naval battles are exciting including the finale where the Spanish contrive a very clever trap to counter the technological advantages of the uptimers.
Also true to the series this story is how it weaves the interactions between the main uptimer characters (such as Eddie Cantrell, Larry Quinn and Ann Koudsi) with real historical characters (such as the Dutch Admiral Tromp, Anne Catherine the illegitimate daughter of King Christian IV of Denmark and Eddie's devoted wife, and Hugh O'Donnell Earl of Tyrone and Irish exile).
On the down side the story tends to drag in spots with too many side stories that try to do too much. The book runs very long as a result.
My biggest disappointment however isn't the writing at all but the sense that this engaging storyline will be left hanging with the sad passing of its originator and guiding hand, Eric Flint. At the end of the tale most of the Carribean fleet has been dispatched to the Mediterranean to deal with an ominous Ottoman threat which could mean many things (more than any other nation the Ottoman Empire eagerly adapted uptime technology and have far greater resources than the USE). With the whole series now on what might be permanent hiatus we may never know what will happen in the Mediterranean (will Spain join the USE against a common enemy?), or the diminished presence in the Carribean. As crazy and unlikely as this series is I'm hopelessly addicted to it and want to see how it turns out.
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645 reviews16 followers
May 17, 2021
Always happy for another Eddie Cantrell story!

Eddie has been a Grantville uptimer since the Ring of Fire itself, which occurred on a day he was visiting nearby town Grantville to play Dungeons & Dragons with his best friends Jeff Higgins, Larry Wild, & Jimmy Anderson.

By now, he is the son-in-law of Danish king Christian IV (having married the king's daughter Anne Cathrine). He is also a Commander in the USE Navy and a Commodore in the Danish Navy. We last saw Eddie in the book 1636: Commander Cantrell in the West Indies.

In 1637: No Peace Beyond the Line, Eddie has joined the allied Dutch and Danish fleet with Dutch admiral Maarten Tromp (among others). The USE, Swedes, Germans, Dutch, and Danish want to mess with Spanish domination of the Caribbean. The USE needs oil and Trinidad is one place that has already begun pumping oil.

In the old timeline, the New World did not fare very well at all. Most of the indigenous people died and African slavery was rampant. The USE is determined that things will be different for the New World this time around, if at all possible.

The USE sends steamships (both cruisers & destroyers) plus long-distance radios to the Caribbean. Both of these are game-changing advantages. But will they be enough to turn the tide in the USE's favor?
Profile Image for Aaron Anderson.
1,299 reviews17 followers
October 6, 2021
Ok. Other than some things I'm going to (slightly) rant out, this book mostly deserves a 4, and was as good as the prior Cantrell book, also by Gannon.

So rant starting. The three Danish women, the two King's daughters, and the other one who is their companion... Why oh why did we have so many details about them, and two of their budding romances. It so totally slowed down the pacing and plot and was utterly unnecessary. In order of most annoying: Why do we give a crap about the youngest King's daughter and her budding romance with a mostly (at least for now) unimportant naval lieutenant? Who gives a flying you know what. Next the companion romance with Hugh. Ok Hugh is an important character in these two books. If the romance/problems with the companion were pared down I might have not loathed it so much, but my GOD. Ugh. The last one is the only one that I thought at least made sense. The personal and relationship problems with the eldest King's daughter. At least she's with the main character of these two books. She still had too much screen time over things we mostly didn't care about.

Ok, enough ranting. All that said, I still liked this book a lot. It just could have been so much better.
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1,235 reviews20 followers
May 21, 2024
I many ways this is a classic 1632/Ring of Fire novel, it's got alternate history, big and little battles, technology of 20th and 17th Centuries (as well as 17th Century technology using 20th Century ideas - or visa versa), espionage, romance, politics, and religion. As with the other books of the "New World" storyline, race and colonialism have a major place here. The main villains are the Spanish, the pirates of Tortuga, and Dutch slaveholders. There is so much happening that it's almost like a "Main Line" book of the series, except it takes place in the Caribbean rather than in Europe. Warning to the reader: if you felt that 1636: COMMANDER CANTRELL IN THE WEST INDIES had too many naval details, you may not be a fan of this story. Also, this novel is quite long (over 900 pages), and seems to drag a bit in places. I'd like to say that it should have been split into two books, but there doesn't seem to be a convenient place for the break. I'll average out my rating to a 3.5 stars.
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Author 2 books86 followers
June 19, 2024
This book is a sequel to 1636 Commander Cantrell in the West Indies. In that book, the Dutch with their USE allies along with the Irish under Hugh O'Donnell managed to establish a foothold in the West Indies by beating back the Spanish attempts to force them out. In this one, the move from the defensive to the offensive and establish their dominance in the Caribbean while crippling the Spanish ability to continue making war against them.

As far as the non-mainland books go, this is probably the best one I have read in a long while (if not the best all time). That gives me hope for other subsidiary plotlines like the China Venture, and the Japan and Brazil lines established in Seas of Fortune. The Indian subplot I have given up hope of enjoying and the Russian subplot is interwoven enough with the primary European books that it is hard to call it a separate thread.
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631 reviews19 followers
December 17, 2021
Four and a half stars. This is the best 1632 book I've read in a while. I have not been following this series for some time. I was underwhelmed by several recent books and the first book of this sub-series "Commander Cantrell" but liked it enough to follow the story. I am very glad I did. The characters where well developed in the previous book (or before) but they really meshed together in this one. They felt more like a family group working together then a bunch of individuals all occupying the same space. The story had successes and failures, victories and defeats, a bit of romance and some naval action. All of it very balanced among characters that we can begin to really care about. This has restored my interest in the 1632 series.
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Author 10 books96 followers
December 17, 2021
Eric Flint and co-author Charles Gannon continue the saga started in 1632, when a year 2000 West Virginian town of Grantville was transported to 1632 Germany.

Five years and 25 books later, the few 'uptimers' from the 21st century are scattered around the world vying for New World supremacy with Spain. The United States of Europe has allies in Sweden, Denmark, and the Netherlands as they fight the Spanish in the Caribbean.

I love the blend of technologies in this book. The historical archives of Grantville allow them to implement Civil War techniques in the 17th century, with devastating effects.

The whole series is highly recommended, but this book was better than most.
1,724 reviews7 followers
June 14, 2022
The fight for control of the Caribbean Sea is heating up. The good guys are being too cautious in some of their actions. They are spread out and have limited resources. So if somethings go wrong it is not easy to fix. While they have some major success capturing the yearly Spanish fleet from Spain to her colonies, it is costly. And some of the Spanish leaders are making their own decisions outside of the crown orders. They hurt the Dutch and USE forces badly in several engagements as they finally have paid attention to the situation and have put their might to work. While the outcome is still in question for many non Spanish colonies, the fight is ever expanding.
408 reviews
November 5, 2024
Ping-ponging across the oceans seems to suit Commander, now Commodore Eddie, and this 1632 segment quite well. In the name of their God, the Spanish, even sans the Inquisition, were brutal conquerors. Matched in brutality by local slaveholders, there are some really ugly scenes in this series episode.
All the action and there is quite a bit takes place in the Caribbean which despite some fairly good maps can be quite confusing. The politics and sailing quirks are equally so. Among the extant nations, are the local residents including several native tribes, pirates, and mercenaries.
29 reviews6 followers
June 27, 2021
Freaking Awesome

None of the stuff people whinge about bothers me: too many names, too many relationships, it like reading a genealogy! But it's great when you get main characters you care about, stirring battles, emotional impact and uptime science being translated into downtime improvisation. This one has it all!
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3,686 reviews28 followers
August 4, 2021
A decent enough read but it's reverting a bit to old school Military SF with women in supporting roles only. Considering half of the book is political, no good reason for that from what I can see. The interaction with native Americans and the slavery issue is interesting.

Not a good place to start reading this series.
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126 reviews
December 26, 2021
I'm not sure why, but I just can't get enough of this series. No Peace Beyond the Line does not disappoint! As the follow-up to Commander Cantrell in the West Indies, this realistic alternative version of the future represented in the ever expanding Ring of Fire universe is captivating. The end of the book sets the stage for book #3, and I just cannot wait!
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2,227 reviews14 followers
January 29, 2021
Not only is the battle for the Caribbean in full swing but relations with American natives and ending slavery are at the forefront of Allied (USE, Denmark, and Netherlands) policy concerns. Another great installment in the Ring of Fire series.
Profile Image for Graham Bayfield.
26 reviews1 follower
February 18, 2021
A tour de force, once again.

I hate to say it.......... no, I don’t, I LOVE to say it, this whole series knocks my socks off. If you give it a chance, you too will be walking with baked tootsies.
March 15, 2021
Solid entry into the "1632" universe, especially getting more about what Eddie Cantrell is up to. If I knew more about sailing, probably would've enjoyed it more. But not going to hold my lack of nautical knowledge against it.
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