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The article "Elif Ulaş" created by me in the past was deleted by you. I see now that it is listed as red link in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by nationality/Turkey]]. Is there a chance to re-craete it with the text archived? [[User talk:CeeGee|CeeGee]] 16:23, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
The article "Elif Ulaş" created by me in the past was deleted by you. I see now that it is listed as red link in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by nationality/Turkey]]. Is there a chance to re-craete it with the text archived? [[User talk:CeeGee|CeeGee]] 16:23, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
:Well, [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Elif Ulaş|the discussion]] was unanimous in deleting the article and said on that list page {{tq|Of course, all new articles must satisfy Wikipedia's [[WP:PROF|notability criteria]], so keep in mind that redlinks on this list may or may not qualify}} so being on that list does not mean that the article can simply be recreated. Not sure why they are linking to NPROF though. [[User:Jo-Jo Eumerus|Jo-Jo Eumerus]] ([[User talk:Jo-Jo Eumerus|talk]], [[Special:CentralAuth/Jo-Jo Eumerus|contributions]]) 16:31, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
:Well, [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Elif Ulaş|the discussion]] was unanimous in deleting the article and said on that list page {{tq|Of course, all new articles must satisfy Wikipedia's [[WP:PROF|notability criteria]], so keep in mind that redlinks on this list may or may not qualify}} so being on that list does not mean that the article can simply be recreated. Not sure why they are linking to NPROF though. [[User:Jo-Jo Eumerus|Jo-Jo Eumerus]] ([[User talk:Jo-Jo Eumerus|talk]], [[Special:CentralAuth/Jo-Jo Eumerus|contributions]]) 16:31, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

== Deletion of [[BuildZoom]] ==

Jo-Jo, I'd like to better understand your rationale for the deletion of the [[BuildZoom]] page, which complied with the editorial guidelines. Every piece of information, cited a legitimate third-party reference and the article was completely void of any subjective evaluation of whether the service is actually good or not; it simply stated how the system allegedly works. I think there really needs to be a higher standard when it comes to deletion of articles like this that numerous people have contributed to. This is supposed to be an egalitarian system, but it honestly feels autocratic in nature when an individual can just delete something with impunity that many people have contributed to. I'd ask that you cite specific examples of how the article violated the editorial framework instead of just making a blanket evaluation.

Revision as of 22:42, 14 November 2017

Glenn Mena

I, Ruth NK, request the undeletion of this Article. Please restore the page as I intend to work on it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ruth NK (talk • contribs) 18:02, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings, @Ruth NK:, however can you address the concerns raised in the deletion discussion? Notability in the Wikipedia sense means that people have written about someone, not merely being famous. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 19:28, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Glenn Mena is a known artist in Nigeria, we are not related and am not promoting his music or him. I know the primary guidelines and policies of wikipedia. His nominations are notable, even the few references i got. I have gotten more references about his events and more. And I request to work more on the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ruth NK (talk • contribs) 15:22, 6 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Ruth NK: Can you show a few of these references? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:49, 6 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]


[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13]

These are the references.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Ruth NK (talk • contribs)

Ruth NK, please don't make a new header for every post. As for your sources, it seems like many of them are duplicates to each other and some of them look fairly thin and self-published to me. I'll summon the !voters @Oluwa2Chainz, JamesBWatson, Mr. MacTidy, MustaphaNG, Versace1608, Celestina007, and Johnpacklambert: to see if they'd be convinced. If no, making a request at WP:Deletion review would be the only way to go. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 17:02, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • The 13 apparent references turn out to be 3 references, each of which has been copied several times. Several of the pages are blogs, and most of the others appear to be either blogs that don't say they are blogs, or other similar sites. Many of the pages link to downloads of his work, most of them invite us to "Get Connected to GLENNMENA on Social Media". None of the three references appears to be a reliable source in Wikipedia's terms, and most if not all of them are promoting or publicising his work. None of them is the kind of coverage that Wikipedia's notability guidelines require. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 21:05, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Mob Xclusive. "Xclusive: Glennmena Lits Up The Stage At "Lotanna The Movie" Premier, Eko Hotels And Suites (Video) – mobxclusive.com". Retrieved 1 Nov 2017.
  2. ^ John Legend. "[E!News] Glennmena Lits up the Stage at Lotanna The Movie Premier, Eko Hotel and Suites (See Video) – ijebuloaded.com". Retrieved 1 Nov 2017.
  3. ^ Charming Humble Nice Guy. "Exclusive: Glennmena Lits up the Stage at Lotanna The Movie Premier, Eko Hotel and Suites (See Video) – thechngblog.com". Retrieved 1 Nov 2017.
  4. ^ Mr ShyGoat. "Exclusive: Glennmena Lits up the Stage at Lotanna The Movie Premier, Eko Hotel and Suites (See Video) – shygoat.com". Retrieved 1 Nov 2017.
  5. ^ Blackdud. "Exclusive: Glennmena Lits up the Stage at Lotanna The Movie Premier, Eko Hotel and Suites (See Video) – gisttv.com.ng". Retrieved 1 Nov 2017.
  6. ^ Shortolany. "Glennmena Thrill Guests At The Rythm Unplugged, Eko Hotel & Suites Ballroom – theblog.com.ng". Retrieved 1 Nov 2017.
  7. ^ John Legend. "[E!News] Glennmena Thrill Guests at The Rythm Unplugged, Eko Hotel and Suites Ballroom (See Photos) – ijebuloaded.com". Retrieved 1 Nov 2017.
  8. ^ "Glennmena Thrill Guests At The Rythm Unplugged, Eko Hotel And Suites Ballroom – Nairaland.com". Retrieved 1 Nov 2017.
  9. ^ Charming Humble Nice Guy. "Exclusive: Glennmena Shines at the just Concluded Felabration Festival with an Electrifying Performance alongside many Star Artist – thechngblog.com". Retrieved 1 Nov 2017.
  10. ^ Mr ShyGoat. "Exclusive: Glennmana Shines at the just Concluded Felabration Festival with an Electrifying Performance alongside many Star Artist – shygoat.com". Retrieved 1 Nov 2017.
  11. ^ Mob Xclusive. "Xclusive: Glennmena Shines At The Just Concluded Felabration Festival With An Electrifying Performance Alongside Many Star Artist – mobxclusive.com". Retrieved 1 Nov 2017.
  12. ^ Blackdud. "Exclusive: Glennmana Shines at the just Concluded Felabration Festival with an Electrifying Performance alongside many Star Artist – gisttv.com.ng". Retrieved 1 Nov 2017.
  13. ^ Jawbones. "Glennmena Shines At The Just Concluded Felabration Festival – Nairaland.com". Retrieved 1 Nov 2017.

Selena Zhao

Main page: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Selena Zhao
Moved this to Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2017 November 7#Selena Zhao for wider input. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 16:47, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

@Jo-Jo Eumerus, Please do not delete @Selena Zhao's page, or have more discussion. I believe Selena Zhao's page deserves to be maintained--she is a respected figure skater who barely missed qualifying for the Junior World's long program by 2 spots (or 1 point), and earned 3rd (medal position) in the long program at a senior international with a strong field, defeating two olympians (representing Japan and Australia). Although she only won the junior national title, this is in Canada, a very large and prominent country with a strong ladies field, as opposed to many other countries with weaker ladies fields. If you compare her personal best scores to many senior national champions in other nations, her scores are well above theirs. She is also a notable athlete-scholar, as she is attending Harvard University (graduating 2020) and likely has future accomplishments and articles that will continue to be published to substantiate the page. I understand that Wikipedia is attempting to streamline the site for extraneous pages but I truly would appreciate keeping this page, and really appreciate your consideration for a very borderline case. 65.112.8.193 (talk) 02:58, 5 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Well, according to WP:NSKATE only senior winners are considered to be notable by default. We cannot rely on potential future accomplishments as they might not happen (WP:CRYSTALBALL). Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 11:19, 5 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Jo-Jo Emerus Skaters can also be considered notable for medaling at a Senior B, for which Zhao earned 3rd in the free program amidst a highly competitive field, unlike many other Senior Bs (which can be substantiated by comparing scores across competitions). She was also 1 point away from qualifying for the free skate at World Juniors. As this is a highly borderline case, greater consideration would truly be appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.112.8.193 (talk) 20:48, 5 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Let's see if the people in the AfD would agree: @Academicoffee71, Hergilei, and 18abruce: Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 20:54, 5 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Jo-Jo Emerus thank you for the consideration! At 2015 Junior Worlds, Zhao's short score was 44.22, whereas the long-qualifying score was 45.24. Her personal best in the short is 51.11, which is well above that score, and she was competing with the flu at the event. Her free skate score of 106.26 ranked third in the long at the Salt Lake City Senior B, a particularly competitive field including World silver medalist Satoko Miyahara. This long program score ranked above current US olympic hopefuls Karen Chen and Mariah Bell. Medaling at a senior international also varies greatly on the difficulty of the event; for example, at the Reykjavik Int'l Games this year, the same score (157.03) would have won the senior event. There are also SkateCanada, Icenetwork, and Golden Skate articles featuring Zhao, which are the most prominent news sources in skating. Lastly, Zhao is a notable scholar-athlete currently attending Harvard University and still performing in fundraising shows such as Evening with Champions, which continues to receive news coverage annually. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.112.8.193 (talk) 21:30, 5 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Medals are awarded for overall placement. She finished third in the sp, but finished fifth overall. So no I do not think this article should be restored. Also the IP address traces back to Harvard University [1], so I wonder if this is in fact Ms. Zhao and therefore there would be a WP:COI. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 22:24, 5 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I would say first that she came 5th in her only entry in a 'Senior B' competition according to her official ISU results page, she did not medal. Coming close in a world juniors when she could (or had) perfomed better does not move me. Still a clear NSKATE fail. If in fact there is a case of a GNG pass, then present the sources to be evaluated and an undelete would be appropriate. I do not think that skate canada would qualify as being independent, I found one good golden skate article, maybe there is more. I wish you well in your endeavours, I have no issue with being wrong if that turns out to be the case.18abruce (talk) 22:36, 5 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately this is not "Ms. Zhao," although this is indeed coming from Harvard University. What sources would be relevant for a GNG pass, could you elaborate? Icenetwork (http://web.icenetwork.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120916&content_id=38517104&vkey=ice_news) and a Canadian news site (http://www.thewhig.com/2015/01/21/zhao-doesnt-disappoint) are also available online other than the Golden Skate article. What is the argument for maintaining arguably arbitrary and binary screening standards in the case of potential exceptions? The encyclopedia can surely support a few extra pages, and the benefits to be gained by restoring the page can surely outweigh any costs. Can the page be restored temporarily to retrieve the information within it before redeletion? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.112.8.193 (talk) 23:11, 5 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Jo-Jo Eumerus can a temporarily undeletion be requested to retrieve the information? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.112.8.193 (talk) 00:35, 6 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Lots comments while I was busy. I am not terribly familiar with skating sources so I can't judge the merits of these sources. There is a cost to restoring a page, namely that someone needs to police it so that it stays compliant with WP:BLP. In addition articles which fail WP:GNG tend to become unsighly stubs, non-neutral, non-reliably sourced or otherwise problematic. I could certainly put it into a draft, but retrieve the information within it before redeletion implies to me that you don't actually want to restore the article (anymore); do you want to use the text for something else? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:54, 6 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Jo-Jo Eumerus Skate Canada is a fairly neutral and independent news source, and the article is written without attempts of "endorsement" (https://skatecanada.ca/2014/10/trading-places-us-born-selena-zhao-proudly-represents-canada/). In addition, there are several Icenetwork articles (http://web.icenetwork.com/news/2016/09/12/200902400/the-inside-edge-chen-edmunds-headline-ewc, http://web.icenetwork.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120916&content_id=38517104&vkey=ice_news, as well as the Golden Skate article (https://goldenskate.com/2015/07/selena-zhao/) and Harvard news sources. Was the article previously an "unsighly stub, non-neutral, non-reliably sourced, or otherwise problematic?" Would it be a significant cost for you to police the article to ensure it doesn't become so if, at the moment, it is actually satisfactory? It seemed to be fairly substantive with plenty of sources and neutral information from credible sites. Of course the goal is still to restore the article, but would just like to understand the alternatives if not. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.112.8.203 (talk) 13:17, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I think I'll punt this to WP:Deletion review. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 16:38, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Jacob Barnett

I have to question why you salted, without explanation, the Jacob Barnett article. It was a negative article and I supported deletion (or change). I am dumbfounded that articles like Luis Balbino Arroyo are uncontested, while the JB with upwards of 24 supporting references are contested. You proposed someone draft a NPOV article, but there is no incentive to do that if salted. Subuey (talk) 15:38, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Subuey: I did explain why the article was salted in the protection rationale - the topic of the article is potentially sensitive and thus any attempt at recreation ought to be vetted by posting it into draft namespace (Draft:Jacob Barnett) first. That other articles weren't deleted either means that they have much better (rather than just more sources; as the living people articles' policy notes, we need good sources for living people's articles) or that they should be deleted too. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 16:32, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
If a draft is accepted, I think it should have protection put on it. The user who proposed the latest afd was actually trying to modify the article by both contributing to the talk and the main page, but user Slawomir Bialy irreversibly reverted the edits, regardless of consensus on the talk page, triggering the afd. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Subuey (talk • contribs) 16:50, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
That would be something to discuss for when the draft is actually proposed. Also, I don't get the impression from the AfD that the outcome would have been different if the reversions wouldn't have happened, as people judged on the basis of sources not on the article content. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 16:55, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding the Afd, a theme from the comments was a concern for the subject of the article. The article survived three previous afds. The problem was not that the article's sources had changed, because they hadn't. But that it's content had changed. Subuey (talk) 20:25, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Consensus can change. So I generally do not factor in previous AfDs, and I don't see much indication in the AfD #4 that its different outcome was because of different article content. Also, summoning Sławomir Biały here. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 20:35, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Contrary to what has been said here, the article in question did not "survive three previous afds". Indeed, the article was deleted after the first AfD, in what was described at the time as a "cut-and-dried case". It should not have been recreated without community input. Now it has been deleted a second time, in accord with our policies. Something needs to change about the subject for a new article to be written (e.g., he actually does something notable), and it has been salted to prevent the article being created again against community consensus. Sławomir Biały (talk) 22:38, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

That doesn't deflect the criticism that, leading up to the AfD, Slawomir smothered attempts at compromise in the article. (edit) yes, I lost track of the many noms for AfDs slawomir brought up! Subuey (talk) 14:27, 8 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The nominator at the last AfD wrote: "A collection of lies about a 12 year old in the media does not make a person notable, and there is no other claim to notability." That was the editor I believe you felt should be compromised with. Perhaps you should take the matter up with her. Sławomir Biały (talk) 13:39, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Your GA nomination of Lake Cahuilla

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Lake Cahuilla you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Codyorb -- Codyorb (talk) 17:41, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Another note to self (regarding Flow)

Making a note here in case there is a discussion on installing Flow in the future: The suggestions I'd submit are discussion should be had on removing infinite scroll, allowing it to use the same markup as regular wikiediting and offering assistance for people who e.g run archivebots and would need to modify their bots. as said on meta:2017 Community Wishlist Survey/Editing/Release VE on Talk pages. Plus discussing ways to remove posts that does not require admin action. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 16:41, 8 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Your GA nomination of Lake Cahuilla

The article Lake Cahuilla you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Lake Cahuilla for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Codyorb -- Codyorb (talk) 16:41, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, but just out of curiosity @Codyorb: did you spot-check some citations? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 17:20, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Jo-Jo Eumerus: Thanks for notifying me about your concern. I took a look through the references. Harvard footnotes are correctly formatted and used where necessary; book and journal citations are complete. Templates are correctly used.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Codyorb (talk • contribs)
Sorry for being unclear, Codyorb - I was wondering if you did check any claim against the sources. I am sure at least some of them are accessible. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 19:19, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the clarification! It'll take me a little while to check the facts against the sources. Codyorb (talk) 21:15, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Jo-Jo Eumerus: I'm finished. I wasn't able to check all of the sources, as I don't some of the books available. However, I'm confident that all of the sources are reliable and anything used from them is credible. Codyorb (talk) 16:00, 11 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Codyorb: Thanks. Doing these kinds of checks and a close reading of the article for unclear or confusing bits is generally a good idea when reviewing a GAN. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 16:03, 11 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Copy edits for Lascar (volcano)

I have completed a copy edit of Lascar (volcano). I left behind a couple of {{clarify}} templates, but other than that, it looks good. Nice work. Definitely proofread it to catch any technical/science mistakes that I may have made. Let me know if you have any questions. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:26, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I think I got them. I'll see to make a thorough read-over tomorrow. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 19:52, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

DYLN

DYLN (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I am requesting the undeletion of this Article. Please put it back to Drafts namespace until I can edit tone and find further sources/references. It was also never discussed whether Stef Lang should be merged into DYLN instead of vice versa. I don't check Wiki very often and would love the opportunity to work with everyone instead of 'merging' pages! Cheers.

CoCoL 08:09, 13 November 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Courtneyleed (talk • contribs)

@Courtneyleed: The article isn't deleted; you can still find its content in the page history. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 16:19, 13 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Jo-Jo Eumerus: I kept getting the re-direct to Stef Lang, which doesn't have the DYLN content in the history page. Thanks! Courtneyleed (talk, contributions) 08:32, 13 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Just a note, but you don't need to ping me on my talk page. There is a "history" link here (DYLN (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)) that should point you to the right place. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 16:46, 13 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Elif Ulaş

The article "Elif Ulaş" created by me in the past was deleted by you. I see now that it is listed as red link in the Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by nationality/Turkey. Is there a chance to re-craete it with the text archived? CeeGee 16:23, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the discussion was unanimous in deleting the article and said on that list page Of course, all new articles must satisfy Wikipedia's notability criteria, so keep in mind that redlinks on this list may or may not qualify so being on that list does not mean that the article can simply be recreated. Not sure why they are linking to NPROF though. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 16:31, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion of BuildZoom

Jo-Jo, I'd like to better understand your rationale for the deletion of the BuildZoom page, which complied with the editorial guidelines. Every piece of information, cited a legitimate third-party reference and the article was completely void of any subjective evaluation of whether the service is actually good or not; it simply stated how the system allegedly works. I think there really needs to be a higher standard when it comes to deletion of articles like this that numerous people have contributed to. This is supposed to be an egalitarian system, but it honestly feels autocratic in nature when an individual can just delete something with impunity that many people have contributed to. I'd ask that you cite specific examples of how the article violated the editorial framework instead of just making a blanket evaluation.

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