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Plenty of sources, but "post disco" existing as a distinct concept appears to be synthesis of a bunch of sources that use the phrase in passing to simply denote that whatever they were talking about occurred after the rise in popularity of disco. Gigs (talk) 19:39, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Plenty of sources [1] in various music magazines and we could have post-disco for the same reasons as we have Post-punk etc. Independent mention, that is, not WP:SYNTH. Power.corrupts (talk) 20:27, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Look at the way those sources mention the phrase. "Post-disco R&B", "Post-disco funk", etc. It is almost always a modifier, not a concept of its own. Gigs (talk) 21:10, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • "It is almost always a modifier, not a concept of its own." ~ WP:POV. Also the "real" genres like disco/rock/pop/ can be modifier (or it can be a fusion genre) = disco-funk pop, country-rock jazz, blues-rock, post-punk jazz, electropop metal, indie-rock country, etc. This is not an real argument. RockandDiscoFanCZ (talk) 18:47, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Deletion discussions are not required to adhere to neutral point of view. The goal of them is to express points of view. Gigs (talk) 22:26, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. —J04n(talk page) 20:28, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per Power.corrupts. Post-disco IS a real genre (it's the same like post-punk, post-rock, post-country, post-post.. etc .. and meaning is all the same = after the punk, after the rock, etc), it's NOT only an era. We can also speculate that Disco is not a kind of music, because RollingStone defined it per the word "discotheque" -> disco is all type of music that is playing on discotheques. So much WP:SYNTHESIS gonna get ya on Disco article, I recommend to nominee a Disco article. RockandDiscoFanCZ (talk) 18:41, 15 December 2009 (UTC). By the way, *cough* Google test: 76,900 raw results. Last.fm have tag with post-disco (there are same artists that are in the post-disco article). It's just a proof that something that is called as "post-disco" is real. RockandDiscoFanCZ (talk) 15:12, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. The article's main source, AllMusic, seems to just be using "Post-Disco" to fill a gap in its hierarchical taxonomy of music genres, providing parentage to certain genres (house, in particular), which otherwise would've been too closely aligned with disco or left as orphans. By AllMusic's own vague definition, it's not a single genre but a range of genres which arguably aren't related, except by virtue of having been part of the era immediately following the one dominated by disco. AllMusic is not a reliable source for genre definitions (as has been brought up in relation to electronic music and heavy metal), and the fact that they scrubbed their contributors' names from most of their site a while back further undermines their credibility. Other sources haven't provided a convincing case for post-disco as a genre, per se, but rather as a temporal qualifier. I might support a rename and change of focus to "boogie" (the main "post-disco" genre which has more traction), but at this point I don't think boogie, being limited to the realm of probably a few thousand DJs worldwide, is a mature enough term to warrant more than a paragraph in the main Boogie article. —mjb (talk) 01:45, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Interesting, however boogie article is saying nothing about some "boogie disco" from 80s... is it this line: "In the late 1980s and the early 1990s country bands released country boogies"? Maybe post-disco is in real some country music subgenre, I don't know. Boogie-woogie is not related to 80s- "stripped down funky electronic not-a-disco music". However, AllMusic with support of anonymous is a WP:RS anyway --> that provides post-disco IS a real genre. In Wikipedia there so many articles that they've have only 1 source. US garage... what-the-something is "US garage"? That article is full of WP:SYNTHESIS and there's no reliable sources, why AfD post-disco? Why not US garage? I can put here over 9000 wikilinks with no sources and full of unpublished synthesis, if you want. RockandDiscoFanCZ (talk) 18:56, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment: By all means, if you find other poorly sourced genre articles with dubious notability, put them up on AfD. WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS is never a good argument. — Gwalla | Talk 19:14, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. I would rather vote for deletion of that messy article. The WP:SYNTH concern of that article is not new, and it had been discussed before: the first discussion, the second discussion. It has already been noted for several times, that none of the references in that article mention a genre called post-disco: all of them, from the first to the last, are just a carefully compiled into a collection of the uses of the prefix "post-" and "disco-" together, found in any sources that could likely be considered as reliable. Moreof, some of those references simply advocate someone's POV and do not list any reliable sources: [2], [3], [4], [5]. Many of those sources are misinterpreted: one brief analysis of the sources here.
• The most reliable source for the article, a short AMG article on post-disco never says in text that post-disco is some genre of music. Here is the link for that article, you may read it yourself: [6]. The claim that post-disco is a genre of music appeared because that AMG article page has a huge 'Genre' word, located above the note/article itself. I still would be curious to see how that page could be accurately used to reference the claim post-disco is a genre: it's simply impossible, as that information is absolutely insufficient for that type of claims and every try to point to that word linked to what is said in the article itself will be a kind of Original Research. In a few words, what the AMG article actually says is that post-disco is a particular era in the history of popular music: "While it's entirely accurate to say that disco led to house, there's a distinct era between the dissolution of the former and the solidification of the latter — covering roughly half a decade, between the late '70s and early '80s — that is often termed post-disco. " -- Appletangerine un (talk) 14:22, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • So post-disco is a genre, that AMG source says that. Are you trying to discredit a reliable source? They say that between disco and house era is an post-disco era, but they also trying to explain what's "post-disco" as a genre. RockandDiscoFanCZ (talk) 14:52, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]