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Wouldn't it be more consistent to list Falcon 9 as heavy-lift, or medium to heavy-lift? FH may be limited by the payload adapter as well. [[User:Alpacaaviator|Alpacaaviator]] ([[User talk:Alpacaaviator|talk]]) 13:26, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Wouldn't it be more consistent to list Falcon 9 as heavy-lift, or medium to heavy-lift? FH may be limited by the payload adapter as well. [[User:Alpacaaviator|Alpacaaviator]] ([[User talk:Alpacaaviator|talk]]) 13:26, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

:Heavy-lift would probably be the best definition according to other wikipedia pages. Delta IV Heavy and Ariane 5 are comparable and they are both labeled heavy-lift. In fact, Arianne 5 is actually less powerful and is labeled heavy-lift. On the other hand, a lot of sources say it's medium lift:
:https://www.futurespaceflight.com/launch-overview/falcon-9-launch-overview.html
:https://rocketlaunch.org/launch-providers/spacex/falcon-9
:https://everydayastronaut.com/starlink-group-7-11-falcon-9-block-5/
:It's not just unofficial internet space sites:
:https://www.esa.int/Applications/Observing_the_Earth/Copernicus/Sentinel-6/Launch
:Even the ESA says it's medium lift.
:So, even though it's not medium lift by the definition, it still gets called medium lift a lot. I'm semi-new to wikipedia and I'm not sure whether we should favor the actual definition or what appears to be the definition according to many sources. [[User:Titan(moon)003|Titan(moon)003]] ([[User talk:Titan(moon)003|talk]]) 17:30, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

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3rd opinion desired at List of Starship Launches

Talk:List of Starship launches#Recent Edits

1. Disagreement about validity of sources.

2. Disagreement about whether to include launch names in payload column of table when there is no payload. Redacted II (talk) 16:28, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Landing burns

Do we have an article on the topic of landing burns? F9 booster; lunar; Martian; Superheavy — there would seem to be a fair bit of commonality among them. (— 𝐬𝐝𝐒𝐝𝐬 — - talk) 22:21, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

VTVL? Wehwalt (talk) 01:42, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, VTVL is close. Looking at it though it doesn't seem to discuss e.g. hover landings vs. 'suicide burn' landings. And for lunar landings (in vacuum) it doesn't address the difference between the braking burn phase (to lose orbital velocity) and a final horizontal descent phase. At Moon landing the 'Transition from direct ascent landings to lunar orbit operations' section and the 'Scientific background' section talk about some of this, but those sections are totally unreferenced. Sigh. (— 𝐬𝐝𝐒𝐝𝐬 — - talk) 23:01, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There have been aircraft equipped with rockets for zero length landing and/or zero length launch as well. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 02:59, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, the boundary between aeronautics and aerospace is blurry regarding rocket assisted landings for winged vehicles. Is there a representative design for this? The C-130 for Operation Credible Sport? Or maybe something Russian? (— 𝐬𝐝𝐒𝐝𝐬 — - talk) 23:10, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Substantial omissions in edit summaries

An editor has failing to mention content removals in edit summaries. These edits added substantially to article wordcounts, so it is not obvious from the page history that content has been removed.

I'd like to be clear that these content removals were done among genuinely useful edits, and I've talked to the editor about the purpose of edit summaries.

The removed content seems to be stuff the PRC doesn't like, and a substantial portion reflects on national space programs. I lack the expertise needed to parse the nationalism in statements about space programs. I'm not sure how far back the problem goes; I'd think not more than some dozens of edits are affected.

As these removals of controversial content haven't had the level of peer scrutiny that they would likely have had had they been correctly described, could these edits get some scrutiny now, please? Thanks! HLHJ (talk) 19:34, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Starship full stack flight 4 media

Currently Starship flight test 4 does not have any media except a mission patch. It would be nice if a launch photo or video could be added -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 03:01, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Good article reassessment for Partial Nuclear Test Ban Treaty

Partial Nuclear Test Ban Treaty has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 01:36, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The topic is not particularly related to spaceflight so I removed it from the wikiproject. (— 𝐬𝐝𝐒𝐝𝐬 — - talk) 16:52, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Article request: Launch cadence

In several articles about launch systems it would be a link to an article describing the concept of Launch cadence would be helpful. It's of particular importance to e.g. Falcon 9, Vulcan and SLS, and historically some Russian launch systems as well. Google finds plenty of references to the term, but I didn't see a particularly solid source describing the concept (and its importance). Any hints on where to find that would be appreciated! (— 𝐬𝐝𝐒𝐝𝐬 — - talk) 16:52, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is it the same mission?

hey, does anyone know whether these two refer to the same satellite? SHALOM (satellite) and OPTSAT-3000 (OPTSAT-3000 (OPTical SATellite-3000), or SHALOM (Spaceborne Hyperspectral Applicative Land and Ocean Mission)? The first one is said to be a "hyperspectral satellite" "operational by 2025", while the second one was launched in 2017 "operating the multispectral channel at the same time." Artem.G (talk) 09:41, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This source might help
[1] Its nowhere mentioned both are same.All webs I found don't label them same.Even wikipage Optsat the source which label both as same is a deadlink.Thanks. Edasf (talk) 10:27, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Falcon 9 and Falcon Heavy launch vehicle class designations

Falcon 9 is listed as a medium-lift launch vehicle and Falcon Heavy was listed as a heavy-lift launch vehicle. Those articles state that medium lift is under 20,000 kg to LEO capability, and heavy lift is under 50,000kg, whereas more would be a super heavy-lift launch vehicle. This doesn't seem consistent, as an expendable F9 is listed with a 22,800 kg payload to LEO, and FH with a 63,800 kg to LEO theoretical payload and appears on the super heavy-lift launch vehicle page.

The reusable configurations lower the payload, but they have launched in expendable configurations.

Wouldn't it be more consistent to list Falcon 9 as heavy-lift, or medium to heavy-lift? FH may be limited by the payload adapter as well. Alpacaaviator (talk) 13:26, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Heavy-lift would probably be the best definition according to other wikipedia pages. Delta IV Heavy and Ariane 5 are comparable and they are both labeled heavy-lift. In fact, Arianne 5 is actually less powerful and is labeled heavy-lift. On the other hand, a lot of sources say it's medium lift:
https://www.futurespaceflight.com/launch-overview/falcon-9-launch-overview.html
https://rocketlaunch.org/launch-providers/spacex/falcon-9
https://everydayastronaut.com/starlink-group-7-11-falcon-9-block-5/
It's not just unofficial internet space sites:
https://www.esa.int/Applications/Observing_the_Earth/Copernicus/Sentinel-6/Launch
Even the ESA says it's medium lift.
So, even though it's not medium lift by the definition, it still gets called medium lift a lot. I'm semi-new to wikipedia and I'm not sure whether we should favor the actual definition or what appears to be the definition according to many sources. Titan(moon)003 (talk) 17:30, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  1. ^ "OptSat-3000-eoPortal".