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Category:World Series at Yankee Stadium

Propose deleting Category:World Series at Yankee Stadium (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCVENUE. All of the articles are already in the appropriate subcategories so merging is not necessary. User:Namiba 18:19, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: This category is justifiable from the considerable amount of coverage noting how many World Series are at Yankee Stadium (esp. the 1923-2009 one). It may not be a justifiable category for other baseball stadiums but it is for this one. _pbp 18:41, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Marvel Cinematic Universe music

Propose renaming Category:Marvel Cinematic Universe music to Category:Music of the Marvel Cinematic Universe

Nominator's rationale: C2D: Consistency with Music of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Trailblazer101 (talk) 17:50, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Seems reasonable.★Trekker (talk) 17:52, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Members of the Order of the Holy Sepulchre

Propose merging Category:Members of the Order of the Holy Sepulchre to Category:Knights of the Holy Sepulchre

Nominator's rationale: This category is superfluous. If you're a member, you're a knight, and vice versa. M.O.X (talk) 09:05, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Downmerge or reverse merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:51, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
’’’Oppose’’’ The Order consists of both knights, nuns and laywomen, several of whom are listed under this category. (talk) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Daniel the Monk (talk • contribs) 14:14, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on Daniel the Monk's objection?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster (talk • he/they) 12:52, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is a fair point, there are also dames next to knights. So there are two solutions: reverse merge, or split between knights and dames. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:39, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on Marcocapelle's comment?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster (talk • he/they) 01:00, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I support a reverse merge. M.O.X (talk) 03:07, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I will tag Category:Knights of the Holy Sepulchre.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster (talk • he/they) 17:21, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Botswana constituencies in Selebi-Phikwe

Propose merging Category:Botswana constituencies in Selebi-Phikwe to Category:Constituencies in the Central District (Botswana)

Nominator's rationale: There is no parent category for Selebi-Phikwe, so this is not a useful subcat of the district parent. – Fayenatic London 14:39, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom. Or else (second choice) rename and reparent to Category:Selebi-Phikwe and add the eponymous article and BCL Limited to it. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:08, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Elk and red deer

Propose merging Category:Elk and red deer to Category:Cervus

Nominator's rationale: This conflates two Cervus species. Splitting them as suggested at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2016_October_9#Category:Elk_and_red_deer could be confusing, as sub-species Kansu red deer and Tibetan red deer are Cervus canadensis (elk) rather than Cervus elaphus (red deer). Central Asian red deer may also be a separate species (its 3 subspecies also have articles), but there does not seem to be scientific consensus on that yet. Upmerging as suggested by the previous CFD closer Debresser may be best. – Fayenatic London 11:11, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge as per nom. No need for this category per discussion. - UtherSRG (talk) 11:50, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Prohibition-era gangsters

Propose merging Category:Depression-era gangsters to Category:Depression-era gangsters

Nominator's rationale: These are really overlapping categories. Does anyone have ideas for how to make these two categories more distinct, or perhaps combine them? For the record. Prohibition in the united states was from Jan 17, 1920 – Dec 5, 1933, whereas the great depression was from 1929 to 1939ish. Mason (talk) 02:04, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

comment Merging in this way does not seem to be the answer, as it is not true that all Category:Depression-era gangsters also were active in the Depression era. Perhaps, someone can make a count of the actual overlap of articles, not just the time period overlaps. thanks Hmains (talk) 02:27, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is only four years of overlap but both are very short periods to categorize people by. So I support the merge in principle but then it should probably become Category:Gangsters of the interwar period. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:23, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Doesn't "interwar" lose the implication of "American" that both "Prohibition" and "Depression" have? Maybe it should be Category:American gangsters of the interwar period. jlwoodwa (talk) 14:53, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Of course, you are completely right. The same thing also applies to the current Category:Depression-era gangsters. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:04, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  What about Category:Prohibition and Great Depression gangsters? AHI-3000 (talk) 21:57, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Then at least it should become Category:Prohibition-era and American Great Depression-era gangsters or Category:American Prohibition-era and Great Depression-era gangsters, but Category:American gangsters of the interwar period is a lot shorter. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:42, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Smasongarrison: What category was originally nominated? It is currently listed as attempting to merge the (untagged) Category:Depression-era gangsters into itself. House Blaster (talk • he/they) 23:38, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Prohibition-era gangsters was nominated first. My apologies i must have mangled it when I added the 2nd category Mason (talk) 02:11, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I will tag Category:Depression-era gangsters. Consensus seems to favor merging that and Category:Prohibition-era gangsters into a new category; what should that category be called?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster (talk • he/they) 02:14, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Ugandan dermatologists

Propose merging Category:Ugandan dermatologists to Category:Ugandan physicians
Propose merging Category:Ugandan rheumatologists to Category:Ugandan physicians
Propose merging Category:Ugandan radiologists to Category:Ugandan physicians

Nominator's rationale: Only 1 entry LibStar (talk) 01:58, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dual merge, also to e.g. Category:Dermatologists. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:28, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Fictional characters who can manipulate reality

Propose deleting Category:Fictional characters who can manipulate reality (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Way too vague of a category. I can manipulate reality just by picking up a piece of paper, since the paper is part of reality and I'm changing it. I suggest upmerging its more specific subcategories, however, this deletion does not imply deleting those too. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 01:16, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agree on the category's vagueness. When deleted, then at least the subcategories should be moved to Category:Fictional superhumans by ability. Not sure what to do with the articles though. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:33, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
They should likely just be removed from the category if it's deleted. In a lot of cases they may or may not belong in it anyway. For example, Elizabeth from Bioshock - does she "change" reality or just teleport objects from other realities? Such powers are hard to quantify, and can just lead to misinforming readers if people attempt to do so. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 10:51, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Ok, fair enough. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:10, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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 :* '''Propose deleting''' {{lc|World Series at Yankee Stadium}}
 :'''Nominator's rationale:''' Per [[WP:OCVENUE]]. All of the articles are already in the appropriate subcategories so merging is not necessary. [[User:Namiba]] 18:19, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
+*'''Keep:''' This category is justifiable from the considerable amount of coverage noting how many World Series are at Yankee Stadium (esp. the 1923-2009 one).  It may not be a justifiable category for other baseball stadiums but it is for this one. <sub style="border:1px solid #FFCC00;">[[User talk: Purplebackpack89|<span style="color:#FFCC00;background:#800080;">pbp</span>]]</sub> 18:41, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
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