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I remember reading somewhere that aliens with features resembling how the Greys have been described appeared in a sci-fi movie in the 1950s, which would make it, not Close Encounters, arguably the first movie to include them. I can't remember the title of the movie, however. — Gwalla | Talk 00:59, 28 Aug 2004 (UTC)

It was an episode of the Outerlimits. They weren't quite like our moder day greys, but they were very similar. The episode was shown a week or so before Barney Hill 'recovered' the main portion of his alien abduction memories and some people believe that the aliens htat he described under hypnotic suggestion were a memory of having watched that episode.

perfectblue 11:12, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

(User) I believe that this article is compelling, but if you pay close attention, most things are in a "just if so" tone. This is from the use of words such as alleged.

Why don't you talk about the Betty and Barney Hill incident?

I've moved the section on Irkens into fictional apperances. To the best of my knowledge, Invader Zim is considered to be fictional. I've also copyedited the text, and removed the wording that they also have a written language that can be translated into English, but appears difficult to read untranslated, as this appears tangential to the main article. --PJF ^(talk) 21:59, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

• Actually, I don't think Irkens look much like Greys. They have big eyes, big heads and small bodies, but they also have green skin and antennae. Same deal with the Topps card Martians. Bug eyes don't necessarily make a Grey. Teflon Don 10:11, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

- Just to add to this, the "Irken" hierarchy is based on height, so the taller you are, the more prominent you are in Irken society - hence the "tall ones" being in charge (sorry, I’ve watched too much Zim instead of actually doing something constructive, much like I’m doing now :P ). So whilst most Irkens are short, you will note that those who have the best jobs (such as pilots, invaders, leaders of the “Big… spaceship… gang”, etc) are relatively quite taller compared to the lowly soldiers

• Yes, Irkens are supposed to be fictional! It is a children's TV series created by a graphic novelist. The whole thing is chockful of irony, and mocks the typical alien appearance and plots. -Beth

I've removed the section on Irkens - they're clearly not Greys and there's plenty of information about them elsewhere. -Craig

I have searched and searched and searched Wikipedia, yet it doesn't seem to have one reference anywhere to the infamous Alien Autopsy video or the alledged Alien Interview video. They are not even mentioned in this article about Greys. I'm not really a UFO/Alien buff myself, can someone start articles on these ? Seems an enormous glaring omission to me and there must be a lot of enthusiasts who would have a lot to say on these two

regards

Why is it that the Greys - or any aliens for that matter - never seem to wear clothes? If they're part of a military force, they should surely wear uniforms to denote rank? Interesting how aliens are immune to fashion and the cold, but also seem able to live without shoes, pockets, and have no qualms about walking naked around their spaceships...

I can't recall ever reading in reports by people involved in the abduction phenomenon that the alien type Greys were nude. They are usually reported wearing tight fitting clothing. Sometimes the taller Grey who may be in charge of the abduction procedures is seen wearing an insignia. Most claims usually come from memories stemming from hypnosis sessions. The abductee might not be able to distinguish whether the Grey is wearing clothing or not, but the Grey is not definitely reported as being nude. Barney Hill 00:57, 23 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

("fictional") Greys portrayed in Close Encounters of the Third Kind were nude. As for "have no qualms about walking naked around their spaceships", why should they? We might argue that it's odder for humans to have such qualms. It used to be a common trope in "space opera" sci-fi that people in future environmentally controlled environments (cities, space craft) would lose the habit of wearing clothing. -- 9 October 2005

Maybe so, but clothes serve other purposes than modesty. They denote rank/social standing, they allow creatures to express fashion, and they provide indespensable useful little things like pockets. No matter how advanced the aliens are, they're still going to need to carry little bits and pieces around with them and have some method of denoting rank or status

Go to any UFO/alien website, data site. There are reports of Greys, other aliens wearing military types on uniforms. Go to the UFO Casebook:Alien Species or Races and/or go to Malevolent Alien Abduction Research Homepage: Click on Alien Species. Also, on the UFO Casebook site, see also "Alien Contact" files. They also have alien reports of aliens in some kind of military uniforms. Martial Law 22:32, 12 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Use the "Search" option on the UFO Casebook website, to find "Alien Species"/"Alien Races". Martial Law 22:38, 12 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

that website is ludicrous, it reads as if it's either been written by a four-year-old or by a drunk.

I think the Greys, being not clearly fictional, should not be classified as "fictional" but as possibly real or possibly fictional. -- Greys are generally accepted as being fictional, it should be recorded as such. --Craig

-- Hmm. Not so sure about that, Craig. According to this CNN poll, 65% of Americans believe a UFO crashed in Roswell, NM, and 80% of Americans believe the government is hiding the fact that it knows of the existence of aliens. Furthermore, almost one in 10 claim to have have personally seen a UFO. http://www.cnn.com/US/9706/15/ufo.poll/

Doesn't sound like anything's "generally accepted" as fictional. That may be your opinion, but your opinion isn't everyone else's, and shouldn't be extrapolated as such -- or "recorded as such."

-- Nice use of the fallacious appeal to belief. Just because a majority of Americans believe something is true doesn't make it so. Americans believe all sorts of fictional, mythical things. Check out http://quinnell.us/society/annoyances/stupid.html.

Greys are considered fictional because we have little to no solid, scientific evidence that supports their existence. Just like angels are considered fictional because, again, we have little to no solid, scientific evidence that they exist. Of course, one could argue that this evidence is being concealed by the government(s), but if that's the case, we still have no evidence that can be analyzed and scrutinized by the general public, i.e. the truth of greys is taken on faith.

Eye witness accounts, "artifacts," and unsubstantiated texts don't count. We have tons of artifacts, personal accounts, and texts that would indicate that the Greek gods of Mount Olympus were/are real, yet no one today believes them to be real.

And for the record, I do believe something anomolous crashed in Roswell, and I have also, personally, seen what I could only describe as a UFO. But as to the indisputable proof that greys exist -- I'm sorry, no one's seen it, no one's delivered it. -- Randy

The following image link has been removed because it is dead.

Grey's are real because they come from the sky.

Ok, I'll be nitpicky here and say that saying 'Scientology mythology' denotes a little bit of npov. First person to disagree gets to remove this comment and forget that I ever said anything.

I'll leave the comment, if only for history's sake, and merely point out that the term "mythology" can be applied to any set of beliefs. "Scientology mythology," "Hellenic mythology," "Christian mythology," and so on. People often object to their beliefs being called "mythology," on the basis that "What we believe is truth, everyone else's beliefs are mythology," but the term can be legitimately applied to any faith system.

Septegram 17:47, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Grays live on a red planet witch is the size of the Moon or of the Mercury or below.

(It does not rotate around the sun because
the rotation is necessary to compensate gravity only
in lowwer density order levels;
it also is no moon of any other planet nor has any moons itself)

• The planet exists 1 energy level up from ours or at the 4-th density.

(It might also exist in our energy level)

• The planet is poulated 2 frequency levels up from ours or at the 5-th density. • Their society is ruled by less than dozen elders. • They have technology. Despite that they live in very primitive 1 story huts. • The planet has no vegetation altough it once existed there. • Distance from the Sun is multiple (probably 13 times) of that of Jupiter .

• • Dude, you are so high...

What the fuck are you trying to say? Are you fucking crazy? 12.207.127.76 05:12, 9 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The grays seen in 5-th density are actually white. The gray apparence of Greys is due the fact that when seen from 5-th density they appare to be gray because they stay on earth a bit off/below the exact energy level and thus seem darker and fuzzy. (it is quite likely that the encounters with Grays must be OOB or out of time (out of our energy level) experiences (in such experiences a man sleeps or daydreams some seconds and less here while when his/her conscious returns it has experience of several hours and more))

5th density? I don't think that word means what you think it means.

What the fuck did you just say? 12.207.127.76 07:27, 8 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"In the video game Deus Ex they appear as animal like creatures that attack the player with radiation. They are theorised within the game possibly to be mutants created by the Versa Life Company." I think this is a spoiler because it spoiled my Deus Ex playing experience (I was playing DX at a time). I think there are more spoilers in "Appearances in fiction" section. Do you think there should be spoiler warning?

It's been documented that a feeling of pressure on the chest and the inability to move are common symptoms among those who believe that they were 'abducted' by aliens. However; these are also a symptoms among those with Sleep Paralysis. Sleep Paralysis is a condition in which the body is temporarily paralyzed after waking, yet the persons mind is fully aware. This is closely related to REM sleep, the period in which most dreaming takes place. This can cause the person to see imagined images among their true surroundings.

So, simply put, SP is a state in which a person is unable to move, and highly hallicinatory. Doesn't this sound like a reasonable cause for supposed abductions?

Guys, this article is ridiculous. Cleaning up is no longer the term for it--it needs to be dissected (ha!) and pieced back together into a semblance of something vaguely similar to an encyclopedia article.

Wikipedia is not the place for conjecture about what the Greys might be like if they exist, or to engage in hypotheticals about possible technology that they may or may not have, should they exist, but we're not saying they do exist.

--Kuronekoyama 05:48, 23 September 2006 (UTC) this is not about conjecture : this is about documenting a topic... why not ? just documenting this thing, fiction or not will leave a trace about it : don't just assume that things need to be proven, serious, divisible by 1 to be part of an encyclopedia.[reply]

This needs some cleanup to be sure, but Greys are part of a subculture, a la Art Bell and others, so therefore it is a part of modern society and should be documented in a fashion somewhat similar to what is there, it just needs some adjustments is all. Removing unencyclopdic tag. Zotel - the Stub Maker 13:00, 21 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The unencyclopdic tag is primarily there to show that the writting style is unencyclopdic, rather than that the topic doesn't belong on an encyclopedia. Besides, Wikipedia's two golded rules are 'content must be easily verified to exist' and 'sources used must reliable', it's never been a requirement that something be proven to be true. There are already pleanty of articles about mas hysteria, and animals like bigfoot that probably don't exist. So long as you don't try to represent conjecture as proven fact, it's OK.

perfectblue 11:18, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've rmeoved the following as it comes from a suspect source that is possible fiction claiming to be fact, and replaced it with a general acedemic source,

"EBE Type II. These entities are humanoid but differ from Type I in many respects. They are bi-pedal, 3 feet 5 inches - 4 feet 2 inches in height and weigh 25-50 pounds. Proportionally, the head is much larger than humans or Type I EBEs, the cranium being much larger and elongated. The eyes are very large, slanted, and nearly wrap around the side of the skull. They are black with no whites showing. There is no noticeable brow ridge, and the skull has a slight peak that runs over the crown. The nose consists of two small slits which sit high above the slit-like mouth. There are no external ears. The skin is a pale bluish-gray color, being somewhat darker on the back of the creature, and is very smooth and fine-celled. There is no hair on either the face or the body, and these creatures do not appear to be mammalian. The arms are long in proportion to the legs, and the hands have three long, tapering fingers and a thumb which is nearly as long as the fingers. The second finger is thicker than the others, but not as long as the index finger. The feet are small and narrow, and four toes are joined together with a membrane.

It is not definitely known where either type of creature originates, but it seems certain that they did not evolve on earth. It is further evident, although not certain, that they may have originated on two different planets."

Desripition of a Grey from an alledged Majestic 12 Special Operations Manual (SOM-01, Chapter 10), dated April-1954. [1]

This is VERY messy, so I've removed it from the page.

Martin Kottmeyer claims [2] that the origin of the contemporary appearance of Greys comes from the mask of the Bifrost alien (designed by Wah Ming Chang) from the "Bellero Shield" episode of the 1960s sci-fi TV-series "The Outer Limits". Not long after the episode's debut on February 10, 1964, according to the contactee reports, Greys seemed to suddenly acquire most of their characteristic features. Although there are some differences, it should be remembered that "bug-eyed" aliens were a staple of space opera for decades prior to the allegedly genuine reports of contactees and alien abduction experiencers^{[citation needed]}. This explanation also notes that as time passed, the stories of Greys grew more and more outlandish. The eyes of Greys (in some reports also their heads) were growing larger until they reached their current two-times-larger state; this is similar to developments in the cyberpunk science fiction genre and specifically with Japanese anime of that genre.

Artist and philosopher Michael Grosso notes^{[citation needed]} that the depiction of Greys as fetus-like beings mimics the commonly televised images of starving children in Third World countries, with their thin, bony arms, large heads, and bulging eyes. Before the TV age, the effects of starvation and privation of children were uncommon sights, and their sudden appearance evolved into the popular media-saturated image of these "aliens".

Carl Sagan also noted^{[citation needed]} the fetus-like appearance and the starving child image. In addition he postulated in The Demon Haunted World that the Greys' appearance might have been influenced by H.G. Wells's belief that humans would eventually develop into something similar to the Greys that would have trouble walking under their own power.

In the Fugo balloon hypothesis advanced by (Popular Mechanics) and others, the Roswell UFO Incident was in reality the crash of an experimental hybrid balloon glider carrying a Japanese crew. The downed balloon came to be mistaken for a UFO, and its Asian crew served as a model for Greys.

Occultist Aleister Crowley produced a drawing of the angel "Lam" he allegedly met which looks similar to a Grey. An image of Crowley's sketch of Lam. [3]

Is there a copy right for grays or can you use this alien any way you want?

Maybe it should be noted that similar being have been recorded before the 1890 date? The classic dipiction of a goblin seems a similar description to that of Greys and Goblins have been recorded far before the 1890s.