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view · edit Frequently asked questions To view the response to a question, click the [show] link to the right of the question. Homophobia FAQ Q1: Does this category apply for all LGBT people, such as trans people? A1: Yes, although strictly speaking, trans people are covered under transphobia. Q2: How do we define 'homophobia' as a category? A2:There are two main ways in which 'homophobia is used', as psychological motivation, and in practice homophobia. Q3: What are the guidelines for applying 'homophobia' as a category when dealing with the biography of a living person? A3: Biography of living persons and Reliable sources apply in the application of this category, and it should not be applied unless it can be verified that the individual is referred to as homophobic in a reliable source, or has themselves made statements that contain words that are clearly homophobic in the traditional sense of the word. Q4: What is the psychological meaning of homophobia? A4: This is a narrow definition of homophobia used by psychologists, as an irrational phobia or aversion to homosexual people. Q5: What is the 'broad' meaning of homophobia? A5: This is a definition of homophobia that relates to how the term used socially, which includes the denial of equal human rights to homosexual people. Q6: What are human rights of LGBT people? A6: These are the same rights that are associated with heterosexual people, as described in a document like the [Yogyakarta Principles]. Q7: Does inclusion in this category imply that the subject is homophobic? A7: No. This is a broad category that includes individuals and groups whose personal or professional lives are connected in some significant way to the topic of homophobia. For example, organizations working to combat homophobia are included in this category.

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Can someone fix the vandalism of the last two edits? I can't do it myself as the page is protected. Thanks! FullBasket (talk) 14:14, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

•  Done. Black Kite (talk) 14:32, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The section regarding heterophobia is largely sourced from an unreliable and non-neutral source ^[1] (source 127 from reference list). Quotes referencing this source are out of date and not verifiable in any way. ^[2] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaise299 (talk • contribs) 23:31, December 16, 2017 (UTC)

It is logic to assume that homophobia is prejudice against homosexuals. Google that and that is the definition. Adding bisexual people and trans people is an unnecesary opening of the word, which not only devalues the experiences of bisexual and trans people, but also the experiences of gays. There are articles for transphobia and biphobia, and they accurately reflect who those prejudices affect. Why can't the same apply to homosexuals? It is not fair Heikocvijic (talk) 06:02, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Upon checking the sources, not even the sources make sense. First one does not say homophobia is prejudice against gays, lesbians, bisexuals and trans people. It says this 'sexism, heterosexism, and transgender oppression and the ways in which gender roles are maintained, in part, through homophobia.' That is it, that homophobia plays a role in them. The second source is from 2008 and I find it odd because it seems like people tried to find an obscure article to justify expanding homophobia to people who are not even homosexuals. And the third source is from Women's Gynecologic Health. What. This is absurd. Encyclopedia Britannica has an article about the topic. imo a better source than a journal on gynecology https://www.britannica.com/topic/homophobia Heikocvijic (talk) 19:46, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Even Planned Parenthood gets around the issue in a better way than this article, basically defining it as prejudice against homosexuals and bisexuals (just guessing, maybe because all of them are atracted to the same-sex). They exclude trans from their definition because, maybe because, transphobia is not the same as homophobia. https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/sexual-orientation/sexual-orientation/what-homophobia

At this point I feel like an old man yelling at the clouds but this article I find very inaccurate and well, I need consensus and no one is replying. I'm done for now, until someone replies Heikocvijic (talk) 19:25, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No is it logic to assume that "homo" means human (or "man", which is contextually the same in this case), and that "phobia" is an overwhelming sense of irrational terror. "Homophobia" means, an overpoweringly, extreme, fear of humans. "Homos" is the prefix of homosexual, which causes confusion, because "homos" actually means "same". It should have a double "S". "Homophobia" means extreme fear of humans. This kind of makes me think that it is a bit of a silly word created by angry people who want to insult people, right?92.238.237.65 (talk) 10:47, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Well, you'd have to ask the people that coined "homosexual", since that's where the derivation comes from. Since that word dates from 1868, however, I think you'd have some problems contacting them. Black Kite (talk) 10:57, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It comes from "homos", which means "same". The sexual part is obvious. So homosexual means "same-sexual", i.e. those who have sexual interactions, with those of the same sex. "Homo" on its own (without the "S") means "man", but more likely in context "human". The meaning of homo has not changed (like homo-sapiens). It still means man or, rather, "human". Phobia is definitively, an abject terrifying fear of something, like aqua-phobia is an irrational fear of water. Homophobia is an extreme/ irrational fear of humans. 92.238.237.65 (talk) 11:12, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

So "homosexual" means "same-sexual", but "homophobia" means "fear of humans"? That is completely contradictory. (Also, "Homos" and "Phobia" are Greek, whilst "Homo" meaning "man" is Latin). Black Kite (talk) 11:24, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It can also be an abbreviation for homogenized milk. It must mean fear of homogenized milk, since we’re playing the “grab-bag etymology” game. Dronebogus (talk) 11:30, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Because homos, and homo are different prefixes. One has an "s", the other does not. "Homos" means "same" literally. "Homo" means contextually "human". It can be defined "man", but, as we know, "man" is often used to denote simply "humans". Yes, and also we do need to consider Greek and Latin incongruence. English does obviously use the foundations of both Latin and Greek. The same issue comes up with words like deus/ zeus/ theos. Different alphabet too. 92.238.237.65 (talk) 11:46, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It was mentioned in the main article on homophobia that it “may be based on irrational fear”. While the editor goes on to say how they are discriminated against, the author, indirectly or directly, shows a clear presumption of the motives of people who are the instigators of homophobia. (Readers please take note how the sentence say “people”, not “the people.”)The editor also instigates the works of the FBI, who by proclaiming “Here at the FBI, we very frequently use the phrase the FBI family.” shows their standing on the subject of who is feared and who initiates the fear. The article also clearly explains in the following sentences how they treat anyone equal; there has never been an straight summit. This discussion is only written by an amateur on the subject, sharing his opinion on the topic. Reminder to reader, this is only an opinion, not an objectification. Nor criticism.

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None. But if you search up the key words “FBI” and “gay” - proceeding each other by a space - the first article will talk about a “pride summit”. Note: “gay” is only used to describe how the article was found. No offense was intended. 107.3.204.12 (talk) 23:01, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This article has had 10 different editors in the last four months. Information in the lead and in the body is clearly cited to source material, which means the claims and supplied data can be verified as being in the given sources or not. Can you provide any specific examples of opinions being presented as fact in the article? You do appear to admit you have no sources to support your claims, so it would be helpful if you could provide some sources, too. King keudo (talk) 13:20, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A "phobia" is an intense and irrational fear of something. In good/ adequate word usage, "phobias" refer to severe anxiety disorders, and should be defined in the DSM. If a "phobia" is not listed in the DSM, then it is most likely a buzzword made up by activists. The word "homophobia" is completely weird anyway. "Homo" means "human" in context. It may be defined as "man", but it is a contextual thing. Homophobia literally means a terrifying fear of humans. This means it is a buzzword (and apparently one that has gone unchecked). Homo is a prefix. The issue that arises is that the proper meaning of homosexual is related to "homos" (note the "s"). This means that the original person who fabricated the word "homophobia" was pretty much linguistically incompetent. It is an insult created by someone with poor grasp of language. Not only that, but it is assumed "homo" just relates to "homosexual". That is lingo. "Homo" most certainly is in common usage in English, especially things like homo-sapiens. The creation of this buzzword "homophobia" is purely based on lack of knowledge of its common usage in other areas. It assumes that "homo" just means a gay person. 92.238.237.65 (talk) 11:40, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]