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Unresolved

 – See also: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Hawaii#Workgroup.3F

I note that there are relatively few stub categories within the general Hawaiʻi stub space. I'm thinking of creating a history related stub, as I think that might help to identify where some of the history buffs could help contribute. There's already categories for geography, politicians, and radio stations. Perhaps we could add a few more categories of stubs, just to help organize them a bit. (Better yet, let's all expand them...but one thing at a time, yes?) I'll create the history stub, once I recall how that works. I'm going to first use it as a section stub on the Kauaʻi page, since it's history section is really just one paragraph. Feedback, as always, welcome. (By the way, would this be better placed here, or on the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Hawaii/General page?) Davidlwilliamson (talk) 08:12, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi. IMO, the stub project should have been disbanded a long time ago, as the WikiProject assessment and category system have all but replaced it with "Stub-Class" categories. I think you have made a good argument for beginning the process of splitting articles into work groups (also called "task forces"), in this case, a Hawaii history work group. This is easy to setup and makes a lot of sense. IIRC, by modifying the project template to allow for this option, we can place the articles in both a WikiProject Hawaii history work group and a WikiProject History work group category. Other projects can be added to the mix, such as the United States history work group. This is ideal, and allows us to collaborate across projects by coordinating a separate collaboration/work group page. Stub categories in the mainspace may have once been useful years ago, but at this point they are not very helpful. The first step would be to create Category:WikiProject Hawaii task forces, and then add Wikipedia:WikiProject Hawaii/Hawaii history task force or something similar. After we tag all of the articles with the history task force flag, we can create separate assessment statistics that lists the articles by quality and importance. We can make a bot request to start us off, merely by tagging all articles within Hawaii history-related categories. —Viriditas | Talk 08:32, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

So many standards to choose from. :-) I went ahead and created the relevant stub category and template, and then discovered there's a procedure for such things, which I entirely violated. I just finished proposing such a stub category, but you're arguments about the utility (or lack of) of stubs makes sense to me, and using the Wikiproject framework to help coordinate this sort of thing seems ideal. So...I think we should get started on organizing the task force bits, and I'll go ask for speedy deletion of the cruft I created this evening. (On a sad note, it's cold and rainy here in San José, which sucks compared to the beautiful weather I experienced this morning in Līhuʻe. Bummer.) Davidlwilliamson (talk) 08:43, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

No worries. One thing we have to do is get a rough estimate of how many history-related articles we are dealing with. I see 97 articles in Category:History of Hawaii and 11 subcategories. These articles represent an informal criteria for inclusion, but I suggest you come up with a rough one based on what we already have, or a modification that you think works better. Your criteria will then be used to sift through what we already have and to add new articles. As for creating the task force, that's the easy part. Do you have the time and the energy to take a leadership role here? I can help set it up, but somebody is going to have to maintain it. —Viriditas | Talk 08:50, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

I might be up for that, as long as no one expects a lot of progress too quickly - my day job generally keeps me pretty busy. In terms of number of articles - the history category seems to have a nice start, but the individual island entries could certainly use some work and aren't in that category. I suspect that something like 150-200 articles are history related in some way. Hawaiʻi seems to also be one of those places where history and geogrpahy are intimately related, so many geographical pages may be relevant to history, too, which may increase the total article count. I'll make a point of thinking about inclusion criteria and see if I can some up with something useful. Davidlwilliamson (talk) 09:10, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Great. Why don't you take some time to think about this? Check out Category:History_WikiProjects to see how some projects use task forces while others use separate WikiProjects. My preference would be to start with a task force, and if you can recruit enough people and interest in improving articles, then split it off into its own project. But please, make note of the inactive projects. One reason for keeping this as a task force for the time being, is to prevent the project from collapsing. —Viriditas | Talk 09:19, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Unresolved

 – Thrum biography still needed

Okay, I finally wrote a stub for this, please help! Mahalo, Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 07:06, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Thomas George Thrum is still only a redirect to this page. We could use a bio. Viriditas (talk) 16:30, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Added new link to online copy of Thrum's hosted by UH. Viriditas (talk) 14:04, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Unresolved

 – Primary topic disambiguation and Owyhee article need attention/creation

Hi; not part of this WikiProject but I've worked on these two articles; I'm wondering if they should be part of your WP; Kanaka certainly I'd think, but in Owyhee's case it's to do with the legacy of Hawaiian workers/settlers in North America; it's currently a disambig but I think it shouldn't be, although it's still mostly only a list page, just one needing some discussion as to how the name came about. The particular Hawaiian the HBC mappers/explorers named the river for can probably be determined, by the way, from company logs; or the specific incident as to how it gots its name anyway.Skookum1 (talk) 18:53, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Good catch. We need to decide what to do here. Primary topic disambiguation, etc... Viriditas (talk) 16:32, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Unresolved

 – Portal needs updating

Actually, as long as we're on the subject of revitalization, I've taken over the maintenance tasks on P:HI. Most of this work involved creating templates to ensure consistent formatting throughout the portal, particularly on the pictures and "on this date" features.

I was hoping to have another couple of standardized items in place before asking for help, but now seems as good a time as any to expand the content. So, to that end, I'd be greatly appreciative if people could help flesh out the following areas:

• Selected anniversaries (current month)
• Selected biographies
• ʻŌlelo
• Quotes

The formatting has been set for the selected anniversaries, and the biography/ʻŌlelo/quotes content should be fairly self-explanatory. I think we're more or less all right on pictures and articles, although it never hurts to add any good content that you may know of.

Mahalo! --jonny-mt 01:38, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

How do you feel about going for a more tropical color and floral scheme? —Viriditas | Talk 10:46, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Is there a good way to handle floating holidays like Malasada Day on the Selected anniversary page? —Viriditas | Talk 10:53, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

I actually don't mind the current color scheme that much--it seems to be based on the Hawaiian flag--but if you want to try something out, feel free to go nuts! As far as floating holidays go, I don't think there's a good way to handle those using the magic word-based system that's currently in place, but I can check it out. --jonny-mt 08:39, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

I would like to see a more tropical/floral scheme. The page looks great, and I realize they are colors of the Hawaiian flag, but it has more of a British feel than a Hawaiian feel, imo. If no one minds, I'd like to take a crack at it a few days yonder... : ) --MPerel 23:49, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

BE BOLD!!! I just thought this was a better start for the design, because I didn't like that ghastly black bordered box. No offense to anybody involved in creating that, of course... – The Obento Musubi (Contributions) 08:54, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

We should collaborate with the Hawaiian Wikipedia to improve the design of that encyclopedia, because I, for one, am not satisfied with the main page. – Obento Musubi (C • G • S) 04:54, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm up for giving the main page a facelift as well, but it's protected and there are no active administrators available. As far as I know, Singularity, haw:User:Kamehameha, and myself are the only active editors. Kal ^(talk) 05:42, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

I must have not been logged in last time, because I can now edit the main page. Odd. Kal ^(talk) 01:25, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Unresolved

 – Needs attention

Was fixing spelling errors and came across article Kahikikala. It like several (~45) Hawaiian-topic articles use the word 'chiefess', and sometimes 'chiefly', in ways I now believe are unique or most closely associated with Hawaiian history. Among other places I looked up the word at Wiktionary but was dissatisfied with what I found there. I left comments to that affect on the wikt page's talk page, mentioning a nice reference for the unique usages. There is no article here at en:WP for the word, and I don't suppose there should be (entry should be expanded at wikt). Is there some page here which talks about Hawaiian terms, including 'chiefess' and 'chiefly'? Shenme (talk) 03:39, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

"Chiefly" should be unproblematic: it's just a normal English word meaning "of or pertaining a chief or to to the office of chief", analogous to "presidential".

"Chiefess" seems weird to me. We don't use "authoress" or "aviatrix"; why not just use "chief" even when the chief is a woman? - Jmabel | Talk 18:42, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

To me it is the other way 'round. I find "Chiefly" strange, since it is a normal English adjective or adverb, not used as a title. I do not mind the word "Chiefess", since Hawaiian names can often be used for both sexes, and it helps me keep track of which one of the couple is the mother etc. I just created an article using the word in its title: Chiefess Kapiʻolani to distinguish from the Queen. There is a school in Hilo officially called "Chiefess Kapiʻolani". Some aricles just call them "Aliʻi", but that is not an English word so should be used sparingly in my opinion, and gives no clue of sex either. For Wikpedia precedent, notice we talk about Louis XIV as "King Louis XIV of France", not "Le Roi Louis Quatorze". Sometimes they are "High Chief" too, but since a person's title can change through life (as the previous Aliʻi Nui passes away, etc.) That is also problematic. Some articles also used "Chieftess" but those are mostly gone. The Aliʻi article once said the title would be translated as "Lord" or "Lady" but I have never seen them used. "Noble" would be another reasonable term, since there was a "House of Nobles" for example in the Kingdom. Perhaps the "Aliʻi" article could be expanded. As usual, sources would be nice! W Nowicki (talk) 17:29, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Unresolved

 – Needs attention

I'm way outside of my areas of expertise here and seeking help. Seems to me like the article Akahi Nui is hostile to its subject (which reminds me of an old joke: "But the King is not a 'subject'!"). I made a few edits to tone that down, but I don't know enough about the topic to do much more. For an example of an article bringing a much more neutral tone to a similar topic, see Quentin Kawānanakoa.

I left a note several days ago at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard‎ but it doesn't seem to have produced any response.

Any help would be appreciated. - Jmabel | Talk 18:32, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Unresolved

 – Needs update

At the urging of Viriditas, I've followed-up on a question posed in the first issue of the WPHawaiʻi newsletter and reexamined some old disputes related to eight significant articles. I've put my comments below in the hopes of getting some wider feedback.

1. Talk:Apology Resolution#Dispute - Resolved with this edit; accepted as a resolution here.
2. Talk:Evan Dobelle#Dispute - Resolved with a semi-protect that was lifted here. User:FisherQueen's advice to properly source the claims was taken to heart, and it seems to be standing today.
3. Talk:Hawaii#Dispute - Don't see any indication that the dispute over okina and other diacritics is still ongoing, but I don't think this will ever be fully solved until MOS:HAWAII reaches a solid consensus.
4. Talk:Kingdom of Hawaii#Dispute - Although the dispute is no longer ongoing in User:JereKrischel's absence, I don't think the NPOV issues are smoothed out enough in the section on the overthrow to warrant removing the tag. Specifically, a number of claims in the section are written for the other party in the dispute rather than for a general audience--claims are led with "Russ says" or "Kizner wrote" which, while not bad in and of itself, serves to place more of an emphasis on presenting specific, verifiable points of view about rather than creating a neutrally-toned encyclopedic overview. I'd leave this one on for the time being.
5. Talk:Legal status of Hawaii#Dispute - Doesn't seem to be ongoing; the article has remained in place since the initial dispute.
6. Talk:Liliuokalani#Dispute - Although the initial dispute seems to have more or less died down, it seems that some of the issues related to the overthrow are still percolating in this article. While it could probably do without the dispute tag, it might be a good idea to get some more eyeballs on it.
7. Talk:Morgan Report#Dispute - This one also seems more or less settled, and the POV tag has been removed.
8. Talk:Overthrow of the Hawaiian monarchy#Dispute - Although the original dispute has more or less died down, given the events of recent months I think more work is needed here to obtain a neutral balance.

Mahalo! --jonny-mt 14:58, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Re 3: This is effectively resolved at the MOS, at least for the text, in favor of using diacritics. WP:UE says diacritics are neither encouraged nor discouraged, while WP:MOS cites the Wikipedia:Manual of Style (Ireland-related articles) as a good example of diacritic guidelines, which would mean they should be used for all Hawaiian language words. The remaining debate is with WP:NAME. In this case, diacritics are expressly discouraged, but 1) they're already widely used, and 2) the Irish MOS uses them in titles. Anybody who would like to weigh in on this, please do so on the, because I'd like to see the MOS finalized; I think doing so would prevent individual page disputes like those at Hawaii and Iao Valley from repeatedly breaking out. Personally I prefer to leave them out because I dislike having garbage characters in the address bar, but I think it's far less important than the general usage issue. KarlM (talk) 20:46, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Can someone please find for me, in the Hawaii Revised Statutes, a citation for local government format (i.e. counties have all the power, no cities except Honolulu) that's used in Hawaii? Nyttend (talk) 01:34, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Isn't all that information online? Try here. See also: archives. Note, there's a phone number. Viriditas (talk) 02:10, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

For those who want to learn the Hawaiian language, I've started a textbook at Wikibooks. It may take several months, but I'll try to finish it ASAP. Singularity 08:18, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you, Singularity! I'm very much looking forward to this! Here's an interwiki link: Hawaiian WikiBook. – Obento Musubi (C • G • S) 01:53, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

How about linking to a new lesson or tip in every newsletter? A regular column would be nice, as long as it links to current Wikipedia articles. Viriditas (talk) 03:22, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Unresolved

 – Not sure what is needed here. Sounds like an expansion request?

I request a section be split from James Dole. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 13:11, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Can you clarify your request? Are you saying you want to get rid of the redirect and merge content into Dole Plantation? Viriditas (talk) 13:38, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, with the world's longest maze, it warrants its own page. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 12:27, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

There's also some interesting free photos over on flickr. Viriditas (talk) 12:33, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Hey! We at the BYU Wikiproject are working on this article and plan to have it at GA status by month's end. I was wondering if any of you lived on Oahu or in Laie and could upload some nice pictures of the campus for us. Any takers? I'd do it, but I'm kind of far away (Kansas). Wrad (talk) 03:37, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Have you also tried e-mailing dlfeedback AT lib.byu.edu and asking them to release either a free or copyright with permission photograph? They have more than 210 photographs online. There's also an archives and special collections request page with a phone number at the bottom. Viriditas (talk) 11:21, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

• Big gap in coverage, someone needs to write an article on Hawaiian dry forest. See Google Ling.Nut ^(WP:3IAR) 14:27, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

  This ecoregion has been listed on the project for years as needing creation under the standard name. See Wikipedia:WikiProject_Hawaii/Article_requests if you want to help out or just place a new request. Viriditas (talk) 22:01, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

  I may work on some of those, but before I do, where did those "standard names" come from? Are they to make the names standard across Wikipedia? In Hawaii the elevational terms are "montane" and "lowland", rather than "high" and "low" (the latter are ambiguous, as it could refer to the height of the plants). I'm pretty sure those are in standard scientific usage across other regions as well. KarlM (talk) 11:43, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

  List of ecoregions in the United States (WWF) cites Terrestrial Ecoregions of North America: A Conservation Assessment (1999), ISBN 1559637226. Viriditas (talk) 12:14, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Unresolved

 – Still needs a photo

Hi! The Consulate-General of Japan in Honolulu is at 1742 Nuunanu Avenue - http://www.mofa.go.jp/Mofaj/annai/zaigai/list/n_ame/usa.html

It would be great if one took a photo of it and posted it at Diplomatic missions of Japan and at the consulate's page WhisperToMe (talk) 18:48, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

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Unresolved

 – Needs photograph

For some esoteric reasons I've just written the Mary Tiles bio. Perhaps someone can contribute a photograph? Also she seems to hold quite a few positions in commitees at U of Hawaii, if there's anything considered relevant, please add. --Pjacobi (talk) 12:54, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

The main project page is really out of date and needs to be rewritten. If anyone has any ideas they would like to see implemented, add them here. Viriditas (talk) 08:31, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Ok, by request here are my thoughts: in order to be more inclusive, I would really like to see "Islands of Hawai'i" or something like that, rather than "U.S. State of Hawai'i", which seems a little limited. Also, while I honor and love Auntie Nona Beamer (I never heard her associated with the word until I read the page -- very interesting!), the word "Hawaiiana" has come to be seen as a little 1)dated, and 2)representative of an incomplete view of Hawai'i, as it is often associated with entities like Bishop Museum, which are generally viewed by Kanaka Maoli scholars as purporting viewpoints without a full understanding of their subject matter. Mahalo! --Laualoha 10:49, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

I sympathize with you, but the Bishop Museum has been nothing but a positive force for Hawaii and her people. We need more, not less of their work. Go ahead and make the changes that you want. If someone doesn't like it, they will let you know. Viriditas (talk) 10:56, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Interesting link supporting Laualoha's position:[1] Viriditas (talk) 13:55, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Interesting. I wonder how this critique will change given the new Hawaiian Hall that has a very fresh approach to the subject. Arjuna (talk) 10:00, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Unresolved

 – Need to reboot fictional character discussion

Are fictional television characters like Theodore Calvin part of the scope of this project? Viriditas (talk) 13:58, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Unresolved

 – Needs updating

I would like to start using a template like {{Invite User University of Florida}} for prospective members. To see what other projects are using, check out Category:WikiProject invitation templates. If there are any suggestions or comments about this proposal, please respond here. Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 08:13, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Sounds like a great idea :) —Kal ^(talk) 23:50, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Can you help? I'm really bogged down, from trying to improve Hokulea to writing the newsletter (Obento, where are you??) Viriditas (talk) 08:22, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

I think I could help while running a one-man show at haw-wiki. Was there any specific template you thought of basing WP Hawaiʻi's template on? —Kal ^(talk) 03:59, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Heh, you've got quite the wit about you. Touche. The best way you can help is with your input. And, you know what? Let's put a link to haw-wiki in there, too. :) Viriditas (talk) 08:11, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Any wit that may have slipped in was not intentional. :P Anyway, I'll try to take a look at some of the templates tomorrow and give some input. —Kal ^(talk) 08:35, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 00:05, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Sounds great! I'd be glad to help. – Obento Musubi (C • G • S) 00:55, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm creating it now. It is at Wikipedia:WikiProject Hawaii/Invite. I figured it would clutter up the template namespace, so I should just keep it within our Wikiproject. – Obento Musubi (C • G • S) 07:14, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Wow, that looks great :) Very appealing to potential members. —Kal ^(talk) 21:48, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Unresolved

 – Need to work on this

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Father Damien is in need of in-line citations. Any help would be most welcome. -- Secisek (talk) 21:34, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

In progress. I will be updating the bibliography after Friday, January 2, 2009. I will also be helping to bring this article to GA status and encourage other to participate. Viriditas (talk) 03:08, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

I have requested help over at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Hiking_Trails#Collaboration_request. Please add any trails to Category:Hiking trails in Hawaii. Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 02:13, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

I am pleased to announce that the French WikiProject Hawaii (called "Projet Hawaï" in French) has been launched. Please see this to join! All Francophones are wanted! So, if you speak French, please join us! We need help! Merci beaucoup ! obentomusubi 10:39, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Good work. I would like to know how we on the English Wikipedia can help facilitate the translation process. Viriditas (talk) 03:09, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Any Francophones who know English can informally translate, or we can collaborate with the translating team to formally translate from French to English by having outsiders translate the article impartially. If you create a page on the French Wikipedia, don't forget to add the template {{WikiProjet Hawaii|avancement=XX|importance=XX}} on the talk page, replacing XX with the class and importance, respectively. Thanks, obentomusubi 08:15, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

It's probably obvious, but I recommend starting with the FA/GA articles on en. Viriditas (talk) 10:37, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Good idea. There are currently two FA (in French AdQ, article de qualité) articles on the French Wikipedia that may contain information that could be added to WP Hawaii (Ukulélé and Mauna Loa). obentomusubi 04:37, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Unresolved

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I thought this WikiProject might be interested. Ping me with any specific queries or leave them on the page linked to above. Thanks! - Jarry1250 ^{(t, c)} 21:56, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Ongoing, needs technical input: Template_talk:Okina#Mass_subst.2C_moved_From_User_talk:KelleyCook. Viriditas (talk) 01:25, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

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Unresolved

 – Coordinate with Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Hawaii#Stubs_and_topics

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