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:::Dear Dr Koppius,
:::Dear Dr Koppius,
:::My thanks for your hard work, I have read with interest your reinterpretation of the primary sources on persecution of Christians. Your view has not been accepted as part of the mainstream narrative, which represents persecution as orders to sacrifice, bureaucratically enforced, under threat of very real and horrific penalties. Eusebius and others are regarded as translators of that reality into their version of transcendence. And Wikipedia is specifically here to [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view#Due_and_undue_weight deliver, mainly, the mainstream narrative.] I'm sorry to say that your ideas do not seem, at present, to be sufficiently well-accepted in the academic community to justify their inclusion here. My thanks again for your work. [[User:Richard Keatinge|Richard Keatinge]] ([[User talk:Richard Keatinge|talk]]) 20:22, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
:::My thanks for your hard work, I have read with interest your reinterpretation of the primary sources on persecution of Christians. Your view has not been accepted as part of the mainstream narrative, which represents persecution as orders to sacrifice, bureaucratically enforced, under threat of very real and horrific penalties. Eusebius and others are regarded as translators of that reality into their version of transcendence. And Wikipedia is specifically here to [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view#Due_and_undue_weight deliver, mainly, the mainstream narrative.] I'm sorry to say that your ideas do not seem, at present, to be sufficiently well-accepted in the academic community to justify their inclusion here. My thanks again for your work. [[User:Richard Keatinge|Richard Keatinge]] ([[User talk:Richard Keatinge|talk]]) 20:22, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
::::Dear Mr Keatinge,
::::My thanks for your kind and fully understandable explication.
::::Apparently, I had a wrong impression of Wikipedia which I considered precisely as a platform for different scholarly views. The research on martyrdom and persecution has completely stalled in recent decades and in this way I was hoping to revive the debate and maybe to bring clarity to that.
::::Indeed, my view (as a classics scholar) is drawn entirely from the original texts of the early Christian authors and as far as I know, resolves all the issues.
::::Translations are unfortunately sometimes seriously twisted to fit the socially desirable picture.
::::In doing so, I am well aware that my conclusion will be hard on some Christians and their conceptions.
::::My kind regards,
::::Adeline Koppius [[User:Amkoppius|Amkoppius]] ([[User talk:Amkoppius#top|talk]]) 09:51, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

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Stop icon This is your only warning; if you use Wikipedia for soapboxing, promotion or advertising again, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. It is clear that you are using Wikipedia solely to promote yourself by citing yourself and inserting coverage of yourself into articles. This is unacceptable. DanielRigal (talk) 12:08, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please note that I do not speak Dutch, so I will not be reverting your edits to the Dutch language Wikipedia, but if they are the same as the ones here then I strongly advise you to remove all self-inserted references to yourself from that as well before you get your account globally locked for spamming. DanielRigal (talk) 12:15, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Dear Daniel,
Thank you for this message. I really was not aware of transgressing rules and I do not want to promote myself. It was on the advice of others that I posted this alternative view which I think is of great importance to science. My PhD committee unanimously accepted my thesis. I am 76 years old and my health does not allow me to write any more articles to raise awareness about this subject. Of course I want to remove my name, but I do hope that this vision that has not been contradicted two years after its publication can be given a wider platform. This publication, I believe, is a commitment to science. I have spent 20 years researching this, completely at my own expense and in my own time. Believe me, my concern is not for name recognition, but for science. Kind regards, Adeline Koppius Amkoppius (talk) 12:40, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Dear Dr Koppius,
My thanks for your hard work, I have read with interest your reinterpretation of the primary sources on persecution of Christians. Your view has not been accepted as part of the mainstream narrative, which represents persecution as orders to sacrifice, bureaucratically enforced, under threat of very real and horrific penalties. Eusebius and others are regarded as translators of that reality into their version of transcendence. And Wikipedia is specifically here to deliver, mainly, the mainstream narrative. I'm sorry to say that your ideas do not seem, at present, to be sufficiently well-accepted in the academic community to justify their inclusion here. My thanks again for your work. Richard Keatinge (talk) 20:22, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Dear Mr Keatinge,
My thanks for your kind and fully understandable explication.
Apparently, I had a wrong impression of Wikipedia which I considered precisely as a platform for different scholarly views. The research on martyrdom and persecution has completely stalled in recent decades and in this way I was hoping to revive the debate and maybe to bring clarity to that.
Indeed, my view (as a classics scholar) is drawn entirely from the original texts of the early Christian authors and as far as I know, resolves all the issues.
Translations are unfortunately sometimes seriously twisted to fit the socially desirable picture.
In doing so, I am well aware that my conclusion will be hard on some Christians and their conceptions.
My kind regards,
Adeline Koppius Amkoppius (talk) 09:51, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]