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Zero Mission pirates?[]

Just out of curiosity, do the black space pirates in Metroid: Zero Mission go by the same name, or is there another name for them?

ShadowOchibi 06:19, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't think so. MarioGalaxy {talk/contribs/Count} 00:06, 18 January 2008

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I think they are commandos. Also, should we create a page for space pirate technology, such as weapons and ships and such?

User:Dark Ridley 12:09, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Question, in the manga I believe the space Pirates refer to themselves as the Shuzoku, and that they have been oppressed. He also said that the Federation is corrupt and that the humans are simple "collecting" other species into it. It was in the 5th book. (http://www.metroidhat.com/MetroidManga/chapter_05.html) Dark Ridley 01:43, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Shuzoku is simply Japanese for 'species', 'tribe', or 'family'. He just means that he feels that the space pirates have been unfairly persecuted. That said, his story is incomplete--the raw scan at MDB has a page right before that one that the translation lacks. Let's not make any edits until we find out what else he said. Besides, Adam says the story has been twisted. Dazuro 01:50, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

As for the Zero Mission black pirates... Commandos didn't exist yet. ZM was pre-Echoes. Besides, SM had tons of recolored basic space pirates with different health levels/weapon immunity. ZM's black or red pirates are just a smaller implementation of the same thing. Dazuro 01:51, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

In the manga at one point Mother Brain (after she assumes leadership of the Space Pirates) makes a comparison between space pirates and bees, saying "Just like worker bees that obey and follow their queen because of a hierarchy. They're a smart species." Does this points towards Space Pirates possible being an insectoid species........and does that mean there are bees in metroid? Dark Ridley 02:49, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Insects aren't the only creatures that have a hive-hierarchy (naked mole rats) but pirates do have an insect-like appearance. As for there being bees in Metroid, there are humans and Earth, so I don't see why bees shouldn't exist...TwistedNerve 03:41, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

There are wasps in Metroid Prime, so logically you'd think there are bees. It isn't much of a leap to go from one to the other. Squee! 06:57, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

When the space pirate said the word Shuzoku he than imediantly said race afterwords. The race race wouldn't make much sence for anyone other than cars so he might have ment it as a species. Metroidhunter32 13:11, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm not so sure about the part where Space Pirates dislike shorter species, as when the leader (Mr. Crab as Kuritsu called him) makes the order for the childs death for being to short, it appears that the other pirates are actually surprised (or even shocked) by his decision. Dark Ridley 23:57, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Just out of curiosity, which is the Pirate depiction you consider the original, or if you don't believe that there is an original, as they may be born different, which is your favourite? I prefer the Corruption armoured ones. Phazon Phantom 20:25, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Quick Question[]

Of all my years playing the Metroid games I have yet to figure this out completely. Are the Space Pirates a speacies or an organization? Ridley is a Space Pirate and he is obviously not of the same species as the rest. Yet Metroid Prime 3 has a Pirate Homeworld which has different variations of the same pirate type. Plus Pirates in the Prime series look way different than they do in the 2D games. So I'm pretty much confused. Could somebody please clarify this and maybe put it in the article somewhere? Zabbeth 15:13, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

I think Space pirates can be like cichlids which are a type of fish that are all the species (DNA wise) but have sub species with same DNA that look diiferent. Another guess for me is that they are symbiotic which means different species but they help each other help.

The Space Pirates are most likely a mixture of both. Remember that the Space Pirates genetically engineer their forces, in effect controlling exactly how they look & function, so considering the entire Space Pirate people as one race could be very difficult, but it wouldn't be too far-fetched to think that every variant of Space Pirate originated from one original race. But it is very obvious that some members of the Space Pirate forces are not genetically similar in the slightest; Ridley is definitely not of the same species as the rest. Keep in mind that their homeworld is a homeworld, not a base or hideout. If the Space Pirates were an organized force, the Pirate Homeworld would probably be named something else (maybe "Utragia", as suggested by resident Shriekbats), and be established as a sort of capital for the various species. Armantula513_[ADMIN] (Talk•Contribs) 16:17, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

I'd say that the space pirates are a group (and are beast) because, like you said, there are many types of them. And mother brain is differant then all the rest so- those are my points. -Sylux 776

I'd say you're wrong, seeing as the games, manga, and creators have all said otherwise. But hey, being factually wrong never stopped a lot of people, so don't let it stop you. ;) Dazuro 19:31, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Question[]

Why do pirates look different in Zero mission compared to Prime 1, 2, 3?

I think it's because the pirates in prime are mutated with phazonKir Monda 15:37, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

I guess that it could be that retro didn't want to design them like that,

i totally think they are spieces but there are many different varities and that they probably recruit others supported by the fact of the militia,they are totally spieces of many different varies.ACK!that was totally suppose to be in the article above.

New Pics And Maybe A Gallery[]

Any way we could get a pic of the Space Pirates from every game? Maybe put them in a gallery of some sort? I think it would be helpful seeing as how the Pirates look different in every single game. Now I don't mean every single Pirate type, that would just be to big. What I mean is the standard type of Pirate from all the games they're in. We've already got a Pirate from Prime 1, now we should get a pic of a Pirate from Prime 2 and 3 to show how they look compared to each other. They don't even look like they're the same species! Just a thought. What do you think? Zabbeth 16:31, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Sounds great! If someone is really brave, I'd love to see this article get organized. Its just a big clump of an important subject right now. ChozoBoy 16:59, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Wow your right. This article is just one big mess. "Clean-up" is an understament for this article, it needs a complete re-write! But right now I'm going to browse the site for some pics and start a gallery. Give me some time though, I might just be the one to re-write it. Zabbeth 17:28, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

New Theory[]

Bases on observations of the Pirates in the three Prime games, I have come to the conclusion that the Pirates are worms. Basically, imagine a Pirate Militia from Prime 3 but without the armor, it's basically a large, sentient worm wearing powered armor, as they go up in rank they receive more complete, and more powerful armor. Thoughts? 131.107.0.104 16:33, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

First of all theories belong in forums and userpages. But to give you my thoughts I would say no. In Prime 2 they look really reptilian and in the 2D games they are more crab like beings. As for the worm theory, it's sounds a little like the Hunters in Halo don't you think?Zabbeth 17:26, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

No, he's got a point. you know the pirate box carriers from corruption? If you zoom in on the model, you can see the head of a pirate. course, this might just be a differently engineered labor form, but... --DekutullaZM 19:52, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

I have come to a similar conclusion. The Pirates in Corruption do indeed look like worm or serpentine beings in their base form (Pirate Militia) and their arms and legs appear mechanical in nature attached to a suit of some kind. Like the first poster said, the later versions have more complete armor. However, I don’t believe this theory applies to all pirates in all games, just the ones in Metroid Prime 3: Corruption. PorygonX 11:47, December 9, 2009 (UTC)

When it comes to space pirates over all, I think they have more like four section of sorts. the crab like red pirates from ZM, the blue pirates from Prime, the dark/grey pirates from prime 2, and the brown pirates frome prime 3. then mother brain rules over all, and ridley and kraid are generals. The Silver Spoon 01:50, July 17, 2010 (UTC)

Name Change Or Something[]

Shouldn't this article be named Space Pirates, you know, plurel with an "S"? Space Pirates appear in most of the games but the actual creature known simply as "Space Pirate" only appears in the first Metroid Prime game. I purpose a name change. Change this articles name to "Space Pirates" and create a new article named "Space Pirate" for the creature in Metroid Prime. Any thoughts?Zabbeth 17:26, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Pirate Leader[]

After the mother brain was destroyed who controlled the space pirates? They have generals like ridley of course but who do they answer to? Dark samus does not count as she only told them what to do in corruption. Who told them to go and harvest phazon on tallon lv and who told them to pursue it to dark aether and experiment its effect on metroids?

The scans make mention of a High Command, though who or what exactly comprises that is mostly unknown. TwistedNerve 18:02, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

The metroid prime series takes place between Metroid/MZM and M II. Though Samus had defeated Mother Brain once, Mother Brain isn't actually detroyed until Super Metroid, so during Prime 1 and 2, Mother Brain is still controlling the Space Pirates. I think that High Command is probably a panel of highly intelligent Zebesians that Mother Brain deemed worthy of administrative duties on a sort of board of executives.

Mother Brain says in the manga that the Space Pirates exist as creatures to be ruled. What I think she means by that, is that the Space Pirates have no one, set ruler. Sure, Mother Brain is supreme ruler while she's around, but once she's gone I would assume that any surviving factions would find new leadership in anonther super-intelligent being or someone from among their own ranks. Red Amethyst (talk) 03:35, January 31, 2016 (UTC)

Expansion[]

I've decided to expand this page on the Space Pirates so I have produced an exhaustive history and physiology section. Please help me in sort out this page. Feel free to correct anything I've added and help in uploading images to the history. Unfortunatly, I can't put the source for when I asked Retro about why Space Pirates always look different, since it was answered in the form of a e-mail but I've tried to make sure everything in this is pure canonical information. Tuckercreator.

Would you mind sharing the e-mail and date with us here? How did you get in contact with them? ChozoBoy 05:09, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

I cleaned up your edits, so some of the false links you made are now correct. I have to say though, well done because that must have taken some time, and it was very accurate! I moved the history section to the bottom of the page, just above the non canon info. I thought that would be best. I do however think that this article is rather large, so i tagged it for cleanup because it looks a little messy. I also think that having the history as a seperate article would be a better idea, and we could link that to this one. What do you others think about that idea? Hellkaiserryo12 20:12, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

I don't think we should have the history as a separate article but instead I think we should analyze it and see which sections are most neccessary and trim it as needed. What the History does need is more images. As for the e-mail with with the Retro employee, here is the section regarding Space Pirates:

2. Is there any reason in particular for why the Space Pirates never seem to have a real base form? They always look different in every game and they're almost always wearing armor. The armorless pirate seems to be the ones in Corruption but are they Phazon-enhanced forms? And on the same subject, why does Weavel resemble a human when the pirates (mostly) seem to hold a very different body shape, notable more hunch-backed, with less fingers? Lastly, why does the manual say that Weavel was fought in Brinstar when in Zero Mission, no Pirates are found on Brinstar?

2. The Pirates are always redesgined in the games for a fresh feel =). Weavel was fought in Brinstar long ago after Samus ambushed his batallion. There ARE pirates on Brinstar just apprently not in Zero Mission. Brinstar is part of Zebes which is one of the Pirates Main Bases next to their homeworld. Weavel looks different because he was so injured by samus that he needed a cybernetic exoskeleton to survive.

I contacted him after I find out that this particular person was a moderator at Retro. He had started an acount on Youtube to upload requested Metroid music. I sent him a message and he replied. User:Tuckerscreator 4:41 17 March 2009

On second thought, maybe the history SHOULD be a separate article. In that cause, the current Space Pirate article will have to largely be focused on their physiology and society. I also think we should the Space Pirate hunting video, as it has no useful purpose to the article. User:Tuckerscreator 6:42 19 March 2009

Size[]

ChozoBoy, Tuckerscreator, and a few others expressed interest in some old images I had on my old computer. I got it running on wireless for a bit, so here you go, while I still have the chance. Here's the first one, I'll keep an eye out for the rest http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/6691/sizes.png Dazuro 04:55, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, man. They look great. Kind of cropped, though. ChozoBoy _[ADMIN] (Talk/Contribs) 16:53, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

That, sir, is awesome. User:Tuckerscreator 18:15 04 May 2009

do you think you could do this with prime trilogy and compare the sizes of samus/pirates/marines,and metroids throughout the series? thanks.71.54.128.176 03:39, October 5, 2009 (UTC)

Description info[]

How do you add those bars containing information for a particular article subject. For example, Samus's page , underneath her picture, has several gray bars saying her name, age, and affiliation. We need to do a similar sort of thing with this article so how do we do that?--Tuckerscreator 01:40, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

You make/use a template. This one might use the species template. ChozoBoy _[ADMIN] (Talk/Contribs) 16:41, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Unless you're talking about a specific Space Pirate, I don't think you need that.Corruption378 02:02, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes, we do. If you look at Wookieepedia, which is the epitome of a fanbase wiki, you can clearly see that they have those bars when speaking about a species.--Tuckerscreator 03:25, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

But Chozoboy, how do I make a species template? Every species page I see, there are no templates so how do I know how to do one?--Tuckerscreator 18:10, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Zoomer has one. Copy it and replace the creature-specific text. ChozoBoy _[ADMIN] (Talk/Contribs) 18:14, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the info, Chozo boy. But when I added the template, the page wouldn't put up some of the things I added, such as eye color, skin color, and language. How do I add these?--Tuckerscreator 18:58, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

5 to 8 feet? The hell? They're at LEAST seven feet tall in every appearance, often up to about ten or more. That field seems to have been removed, but if it goes back, let's get a bit of a more realistic figure! And that's not even counting Elites and such... Dazuro 05:10, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

I guess I must have gotten carried away when I put 5 feet. They're at least 6 ft with every appearance. I don't know about ten feet, however, unless you count the Elite Pirates and Berserker Lords, but those should be kept separate, as we are reffering to the ordinary, average Pirate height here. 6 to 8 feet.--Tuckerscreator 17:36, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

In Prime, they're at least ten feet tall. They just tend to hunch. They have NEVER been a mere six feet in a single appearance. Dazuro 17:53, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

If you look at their official art, it looks like the hunch is permanent. Proportionally, their neck is located on the section of our chest above the heart. Plus, when they get up close to Samus in game, you can see they are about the same height. In the Prime games, when one is right in front of you, you can still see all of it; its head isn't cut out. You can see in this image that they are unable to move their head any higher. They're 6 feet tall.

Bzzt, wrong. Notice how bent the legs are? They stand straight tall before Samus meets them. They duck down a bit for their battle pose. When standing tall, they're at least ten feet tall. When hunched, they're at least seven. They are never, ever Samus's height--if it ever appears even REMOTELY that way, it's because of the first-person camera. It makes it a bit difficult to judge size--most people claim Prime's metroids to be tiny, for instance, while comparing their models to Samus reveals them to be only slightly smaller than usual, if at all. The fact is, camera angles aside, the model for the space pirate is massively taller than Samus in all respects, and slightly taller even when hunched. Sorry to burst your bubble, but that's how it is. Dazuro 01:31, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

I noticed that its legs were bent, but that would only add a half a foot to a foot to their height. The way how I guage them being the same height as Samus is because, when they are right up to her visor, you can still see their face. If they were really ten feet tall, then even crouching they would still be towering over her. Ten feet tall is pushing it way too far. Their height is 6 feet, at best 8. Even in the 2-d games like Super Metroid and Zero Mission, they are still the same height as her.--Tuckerscreator 03:48, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm afraid you are wrong, my friend. Indicated by the instrucion manual to Metroid 2, Samus is 6 3 in her suit, so if the pirates were 6 feet then they would be shorter than her, so they're most likely around 8 feet tall. 97.126.85.218 12:01, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

I wasn't being that exact! Ha Ha! I wasn't measuring inches! Your last argument isn't showing anything. It's simply saying: because they can't be six feet, they are eight. Here you are simply using your stance as an argument to defend the stance you are defending, which is a very bad tactic to use. Like I said before, I was leaving it to about 6-8 feet, and I was arguing that ten feet is far too tall.

Wait a minute, I just realized this last argument wasn't by Dazuro. Is it you, again? That anonymous user who keeps coming here? Given the twisting of my words on this last argument, I am seriously beginning to question your motives now.

Dazuro, if you read this, ignore the above guy. He's been following me around the talk pages. Ignore him.--Tuckerscreator 17:14, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Look, man, it doesn't matter how the camera angle makes them look. By comparing their actual model sizes, we can get exact size comparisons. They're never a mere six feet. Ever. You say they're her height in the 2D ones--that's not true either. They're STILL taller than her, in all three games they appear in. Just look up above--I posted their model next to Samus. Now keep in mind that the Prime 3 ones are shorter than Prime 1's. Ten feet when standing tall is nowhere near an exaggeration. I don't know why you have so much trouble comprehending this, especially when I provide photographic evidence and you merely say "BUT THEY LOOK SHORT INGAME!" over and over again. Face it. They're tall. Dazuro 19:38, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Since words apparently aren't enough, here, have even more photographic evidence. Continue arguing this point and you prove that you have no purpose here other than to vandalize my attempts to correct your misinformation, so I'd like to kindly ask you to shut up. Dazuro 19:47, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/5958/piratesizes.png

Hey, Hey, Hey, Hey! There's no need to shout! You hadn't provided photograhic evidence before, so that's why I kept arguing. Now I've got the evidence in front of me, so there we have it. 8 to 10 feet tall... Can we use these pictures in the article?--Tuckerscreator 19:57, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Look above. I already posted the MP3 ones. That should have been sufficient, since most of your argument was based on the 3D ones. And either way, the rest of the images were taken straight from this site. A little research goes a long way. Dazuro 20:18, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

The above Prime 3 one was cut out so I couldn't see the rest. And you spliced together the 2-d ones, right? This is great. We need more of these.--Tuckerscreator 20:25, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Cut out? What? All that got cut out is the tips of the Berserker's arms, and Samus's cannon, though that one's just a separate model so it couldn't get included like that anyway. O_o But yeah, I spliced it all.. not super helpful to the wiki, though, unless I'm missing something. Why do we need more? Dazuro 20:59, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

I meant that picture above this section with the Berserker Lord. I can't see what's past the Space Pirate arm. But it doesn't matter. I know know what it looks like. As for that 2-d one, it would be helpful for the physiology section, as since we are discussing in that part how the Pirates look different in every game, such a picture would be a useful reference.--Tuckerscreator 21:54, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Ever heard of a scrollbar? >_> It's a full image, man. It just goes off the page a bit. Dazuro 22:15, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

My scrollbar was broken then. Now it's not. I gave up trying after the first few times. Speaking of scrollbars, would you happen to know how to make an up/down scrollbar on an article. I've been trying to make one for the History of SPace Pirates references ection, but I don't know how to make one.--Tuckerscreator 22:47, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

in metroid other M the pirates seem a lot bigger than samus (the above anon is not me. I'm me. the anon that's been active here and too lazy to create a user page.)

This might be slightly off topic, but has anyone else noticed that when Samus goes right up to a wall in any of the prime games, the cannon looks the same size? Its very humorous to see with the anhiliator beam in Echoes multiplayer, pressed up against the opponent. HellKaiserryo12_[ADMIN] (Talk•Contribs) 21:03, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Images[]

How about I make an image of the Space Pirates in every game? Snakeboss14

DO IT! DO IT! DO IT! It will be awesome.--Tuckerscreator 14:27, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

OK, I'll try to upload it soon. Snakeboss14

Have you made it already or are you assembling it? Oh, and show it here first before puttingit in the articel. Then if there are any revisions that need to be done, we can suggest them.--Tuckerscreator 22:05, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Ok, I'm making it, but I can't find images of Metroid I and II. The first one may or may not be changed to Zero Mission. Snakeboss14

There were no Pirates in Metroid I and II. They din't appear until Super Metroid.--Tuckerscreator 17:02, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

There's a problem: the only in-game pirate trooper image I could get from Echoes was a Dark one. And the pirate trooper from Corruption is in a black background. Snakeboss14

Here's an image I uploaded of the Pirate Troopers from echoes recently. Plus there is an artwork of them on the Pirate Trooper page. HellKaiserryo12_[ADMIN] (Talk•Contribs) 20:04, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Ooooh. If we ever have a featured image section, this should be one.--Tuckerscreator 20:16, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

LOL, I think that, too. I wanted to just put in-game images, but I'll have to put that artwork unless you think the Dark pirate is better. And what about the one in Corruption? Snakeboss14

They've got a moving picture in the gallery. DekutullaZM 20:53, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Wait, Snakeboss, are you putting this to together from art, or from ripped models?--Tuckerscreator 22:25, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Mostly from in-game models, but the Metroid Prime 2 and 3 had to be concept art images. Why? Snakeboss14

Oh, Because Dazuro was able to hack into some in-game models. There is a picture of one right above here. Maybe you can spilce in that one?--Tuckerscreator 22:42, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm actually using those models (that's why the Zero mission pirate is before the fusion in my picture. Snakeboss14

Well' one of them is the Corruption model and you said you were using concept art, so I was getting worried. But thanks.--Tuckerscreator 22:52, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

is your pic done yet? --DekutullaZM 17:29, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm trying to cut out some in-game pirates from Prime 2 and 3, so I need more time. Snakeboss14

Fusion Pirates[]

The Brawl sticker calls them "Zebes inhabitant". Why? Snakeboss14

Originally, Space Pirates were known as "Zebesian Space Pirate", even though they are not from Zebes. It was later explained by Nintendo that they have taken on the name Zebesian because they feel it is their right to claim the planet,and thus they use the name much like how we would call ourselves Americans even though our ancestors were not from America.--Tuckerscreator 17:09, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Snakeboss14

It could as be called that because Sakurai might have not researched metroid well enough to call them space pirates. User:Metroid101

LOL, hey, by the way, I've just noticed they turn into fish when found in Sector 4. Weird, huh? Snakeboss14

em... not really weird because if you check you can see the X parasites from the fish (not sure of the name) and join with the space pirates merging the fish's characteristics with the space pirates Robertmetroid 19:25, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I noticed. Snakeboss14 22:55, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

Different Pirates, different jobs?[]

I have a theory about why the space pirates look different in each game. Like bees, maybe the pirates are bred for certian jobs. For instance, the pirates from Metroid Prime. All of the pirates seem to be scientists or researchers. There hunched form might make it easier to repair machines in tight spaces. In Echoes, they may be scouts of some kind. They are sent out to build bases before main personnel get there. This would explain their low numbers and athletic appearence. In Corruption, these pirates are the main military force. This would explain how they are well armed. See my point? (Quadraxis Prime 12:47, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

An interesting theory. However, all the Pirates seem to be warriors/soldiers as they are all well armed and trained. Scientists aren't normally trained in combat situations. Most of your theory seems to fit. The thing to remember though is that it isn't likely that the Pirate redesigns were anything more than to keep the species fresh, rather than having an actual role. HellKaiserryo12_[ADMIN] (Talk•Contribs) 20:03, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

It could be because all the pirates know about samus and know they are doomed because of her. They all MUST have military training in order to be prepared to fight samus or ANYTHING(ING ... cough).

Even though it fits, I am with Hellkaiserryo12, I don't think scouts and scientists would have such weapons. Snakeboss14

This would make sense, as the prime space pirates are designed for tight quarters, lower gravity, and somewhat darker condition ( glowing eyes adadpted for low lighting, or perhaps they are some sort of lensing). The prime pirates could be scientist, engineers, and programmers; and the armed ones may have been a security task force on tallon IV. Though there would have been more scientist to maintain the elite pirates and other phazonic experiments, however the planet could have been under lockdown due to orpheons destruction and the release of several experiments. The more civilian like scientists, miners, and engineers would have been evacuated to a safe area upon samus's arrival.

The pirates from echoes were outfitted for colonial defense, frontier scout, and were possibly armed to better combat the dangers of aether. They could also be frontier scout, and were possibly armed to better combat the dangers of aether. For expidentionary they are extremely armed and well trained, though this may have been concieved to counter the federation and the Ing.

Corruptions were designed more for frontline combat and piracy than research, labor, and scouting. The zebesians were a piracy, defense, and supporting combat force. The kihunters may fill the roles of spies, snipers, mechanics, and porters. The thrash hunters would have been a heavy combat and assassin force. --- Quincyfath99

Idea[]

I think there are SO many differances in Pirates because they're different species.

For instance:

piratesizes didn't show, so try above. You'll see it. I need a picture of the Super Metroid one too, so just use the above piratesizes for that. Fusion one doesn't count in my book; it has more than one X in it, and things with more X are usaully different than the ones with 1 X in them, which change into the 2 X models when another comes, which are completely different from the 1 X models.

Now, do ANY of these look EXACTLY the same? TerrorDactyl (Talk • Contribs) 16:43, March 6, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, and did you ever notice none of the other pirates showed up on the Pirate Homeworld? That's why. Oh crud, I found another.

Either these are all different species, or Phazon mutated them, which is highly doubtful, the Super Metroid ones would look much more different than the Zero Mission ones. TerrorDactyl (Talk • Contribs) 16:50, March 6, 2010 (UTC)

You know, tossing a bunch of these when we already get the point is not a good idea. You could have downscaled these images and put them in a gallery instead. Also, isn't this already talked about here? We already know that they have way different physiology from game to game, and we have the speculation that they're different species covered in the second paragraph of the section I linked to. Not gonna contest that they're all different in their own ways, but next time check to see if the notes you're making are already covered in the article before you post. RAN1_{ADMIN} (talk • contributions • logbook) 18:05, March 6, 2010 (UTC)

I always thought it made scene... The pirates from the 2D games are Zebiesian pirates, normal pirates that have been genetically modified with choso DNA and to fit the environment more, they look even stranger because of armour. In Prime we see the same zebiesian pirates but with out the armour (scientists). In Prime 2/3 we see "Pure" Pirates, ones that aren't modified (they are the same look at the body shape) with different armour, some of these pirates are in Prime (again body shape) I think there are only really 2 basic types that just look different because of armour and slight modifications. JosephK19 23:19, March 6, 2010 (UTC)

I don't wanna say spieces, more like variants or breeds, like Skirmishers and Jackals.- General Q-Nek

Uh dude, they have armor, combat skin, and weapns on. If i were to wear a different outfit than my brother, does that mean im a different species? No, josephk19 is correct.

List of Space Pirate variations[]

This may be a tiny big subjective, but I think an article like this would help readers, as well as us editors, sort things out. I'd like to see all representations of them covered from every game with headings such as:

• Zebesian and clawed Space Pirates

• Metroid Zero Mission
• Metroid Prime 2: Echoes (and Corruption?)
• Super Metroid
• Metroid: Other M
• Metroid Fusion

• Ki-Hunters
• Reptillian Space Pirates
• Space Pirate Mechanoids
• Space Pirate generals

I think that covers most of them. Space Pirate/Gallery (in the style of Samus Aran/Gallery) s another thing we'll probably want to do, too. ChozoBoy _[ADMIN] (Talk/Contribs) 20:41, March 13, 2010 (UTC)

So how the heck are you supposed to classify, for instance, the ones that are reptillian and have claws both? They're doing their damnedest to merge the two types and make it clear they're one species as intended, don't do them a disservice by segregating them again. MP2's, MOM's and MP3's fit into both of those classifications, as do many of the ones in the manga. Now, separating them into Zebesians/Troopers/"Space Pirates" vs Ki-Hunters vs Mechs vs other-species "generals"? That's an idea with merit. But the other way is ridiculous. Dazuro 01:57, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

Welcome back, Daz...--DekutullaZM 03:19, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

I didn't say anything about separate species, Dazuro. You should have learned by now that our job is to present facts to the reader, not to decide on some fanon that we personally concoct about Nintendo merging all of the Space Pirate species. That is evidently not the case, and it wasn't the case when Pirates were introduced either. ChozoBoy _[ADMIN] (Talk/Contribs) 04:26, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

Ki-Hunters are a separate species. Mechs are a separate .. "species" in the same sense. As are Ridley and Kraid. By separating the 2D pirates and 3D pirates in exactly the same categories, you perpetuate the idea of the multispecies "covenant" that Nintendo has discredited multiple times. But that's not the point.

The important part is this. Again, there is too much overlap between the castes to do that. Surely you consider the Prime ones to be "reptillian" for their leathery skin and toothy jaws, yes? But they have antennae and segmented exoskeletal limbs covered in roach-like tiny hairs... And MOM's have leathery-skinned necks and toothed jaws, alongside crab claws and elf-feet. Meanwhile, both clawed and "reptillian" pirates have shown up with bird-like feet, and similarly both kinds have had the one-toed elf feet. There IS no bipartisan distinction. There's just a shit-ton of attributes that get mixed and matched at completely random throughout the games. You can't divide them in any sense, just say "these are all the features they've had, and these are which pirates had which features" at best, which is a bit clumsy. The way it is now works fine, it could just use some reorganization and rewording.

On the other hand, we could have the cyborg-insect-reptile-hybrid-things as one heading, the ki-hunters (a brief mention with a link to their main page perhaps?) in a separate one, and then add a third one for the random dragon-pirates from Samus and Joey if you really insist on segregating them. That might work, since then we at least have three completely separate, completely unique designs all labeled purely as kinds of "Space Pirates" with no ambiguity, then have a note about the generals and mechs too... It might work, I just don't see why we need to revamp it so much.

"..not to decide on some fanon that we personally concoct about Nintendo merging all of the Space Pirate species. That is evidently not the case, and it wasn't the case when Pirates were introduced either."

Gee, if only we had quotes from the creators and direct in-game references to my point, maybe I'd have a case. Oh wait. We do. But I guess you wouldn't be ChozoBoy if you weren't being a pain in my ass, to paraphrase Jim Raynor.

Dazuro 21:41, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think we can really categorise the Pirates judged on their appearance. The Pirates are aliens, assigning them Earth creature categories for headings isn't right. They are the same species, so I don't see the need to classify them like this. It's most likely that the claws are gauntlets of some kind, and if not then they were probably engineered that way. BTW I put the images in a gallery, I hope TD dosen't mind. HellKaiserryo12_[ADMIN] (Talk•Contribs) 22:03, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

There are both gauntlet ones and organic ones. It's been speculated/heavily implied for a long time (either that or just a weirdass art style change), but MOM finally shows both kinds on the same pirate. :P Dazuro 22:06, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

Wounded[]

So why exactly are we unable to refer to a bleeding pirate with visible wounds, whose texture is distinctly different from the standard healthy pirates, as being wounded? Also notable is the fact that that specific render actually hails from Pinball, not Prime, though the model is the same so that's pretty nitpicky. Dazuro 11:44, April 14, 2010 (UTC)

Regarding the Gallery[]

Why does it say that the gallery page is for concept art, when concept art makes up the majority of this article's gallery? HellKaiserryo12_[ADMIN] (Talk•Contribs) 18:40, May 13, 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome to alter the gallery here. It doesn't really have any particular rhyme or reason. ChozoBoy _[ADMIN] (Talk/Contribs) 01:48, May 14, 2010 (UTC)

Inconsistency[]

This page should be renamed to Space Pirate (Species) or (Prime Species), as Space Pirate's currently a wide term including Zebesians, Kihunters, and whatever the hell Draygon is. Extraxi 03:03, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Yes it should... if only I knew how to rename :P Metroid101 03:04, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Since the Space Pirate race is referred to as Space Pirate in the manga, it's definitely not a Prime-exclusive thing. It's used interchangeably for the Zebesians. So really, what we need is a Space Pirates (Faction) or (Group) or something. Care to wait for a consensus before moving one of the most notable (in terms of content and pageviews both) articles on the wiki? Dazuro 03:07, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Really though, you do have a point. Zebesian is the most current and most specific term for the race, and it's known for a fact that Prime 1's are the same race as Super's, so from that it's implied that 2-3's are as well, despite their physiological differences. Maybe we should just merge this page with Zebesian and make Space Pirates an article about the group/alliance/organization itself. Dazuro 03:11, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Tempting. That would require an enormous amount of rewriting as well as not knowing what to do with names like Pirate Aerotrooper, or whatever it was called. Extraxi 03:17, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

I don't mind doing the rewriting. Say what you will about my handling of theories, but I'm a massive fan of the space pirates and know pretty much everything about them from the games. As for Pirate Aerotroopers, what's wrong with that? Humans are humans, but we still call them Army soldiers, not Human soldiers. These Zebesians serve the Pirates as aerotroopers, so they're Pirate Aerotroopers. Really the only sticky situation is Prime 1, where there's a form literally just called Space Pirate. That one's kind of tricky to handle. I guess we could just say "Zebesians were referred to only as Space Pirates in this game" under the Prime heading, and say at the top "This article is about the species sometimes known as Space Pirates. For the organization, see ..." Dazuro 03:20, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Just make note that although it's a Zebesian, it's simply named Space Pirate. We all know it's a Zebesian, just without claws because of artistic representation hooha. Same with Aerotroopers and Beam Troopers and all those guys. Extraxi 03:26, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

The two pages feel rather redundant as-is anyway. I still feel like we should get some more consensus before making such a major change, though. Dazuro 03:27, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Well, artistic representation and a lot of genetic experimenting on themselves.

Also, considering how many constant editors, just need to ask Admiral, Metroid, and Chozo. Extraxi 03:28, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Personally, I saw Prime 1's as being civillians/lab techs forced into action. All soldiers in the Prime subseries had arm cannons or arm blade replacements, or had extendable claws covering both hands instead. Those had both hands free all the time, and were often seen around computers. I don't think it's artistic representation so much as these guys weren't meant primarily for fighting. Also note that every other pirate had a name signifying their job, even within the first game, whereas the purple hunchback freaks were always just Space Pirates. Dazuro 03:32, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Hey, i'd like to express that im against the idea of considering all space pirate variants as Zebesians (thats what i can tell from your previous posts, if im not mistaken). There was a time where Space Pirates were not inhabiting Zebes, and thus could not be considered Zebesians, plus, remember that pirates have multiple homeworlds (i honestly think they're also conquered planets like Zebes). Its true however, that the Pirates from Prime 1 are the survivors who were in orbit above Zebes during Zero Mission (heck, maybe Prime 1 pirates were the ones who shot her down), but im fairly certain that Prime 2 pirates were from a different faction/group of pirates, maybe from Urtraghus (Pirate Homeworld) or another Pirate-conquered planet. Prime 3 Pirates are definitely from Urtraghus and not Zebesians. Also, a look at the Zebesian article shows that the term is used to describe the lobster clawed variants, along with the ones who occupied and helped conquered Zebes (since Sakamoto says that the race considered themselves as the rightful inhabitants of the planet, and thus Zebesians). I think this article shoud be renamed something along the lines of Space Pirate Legion(s) or something, cause this page pretty much covers general info about Pirate society, habits, physiology and etc.

So, for those reasons, i dont think the Prime series pirates (or at least prime 2 and 3) should be considered Zebesians. Btw, just out of curiousity, were the Zebesians from Other M created through cloning or were they captured specimens? Is it ever clearly specified? I really dont like the idea that all those Zebesians were created from DNA found on Samus' suit. Its more logical if they're, like the other wildlife on the Bottle ship, specimens that were caught at some undertermined moment and brought onboard the station to be experimented on. (Latinlingo 04:28, September 10, 2010 (UTC))

No, they're not originally from Zebes, but once they colonized that planet they took the name as their own. And the pirates found in Prime 1 and 2 are explicitly from Zebes itself post-Metroid. Corruption is the only iffy one, but it seems to me that they took Urtraghus as a secondary homeworld after losing Zebes. And no, the game never said that the creatures were cloned from Samus' suit, only that that's where the Metroids came from. No other cloning was mentioned to my knowledge. Also, the Zebesian article is slightly incorrect--the term is not used explicitly for the clawed pirates. Several Zebesians with scythes are seen in the manga, and with standard arm cannons in Other M. Dazuro 04:32, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Oof, thank god about the whole cloning thing being false, i still havent beaten Other M cause of college studies. Anyways, Urtraghus seems WAY too advanced in urbanization to be a secondary planet they simply took after losing Zebes in Zero Mission. I mean if they did that kind of ecological damage to Urtraghus in a short while, why didnt Zebes suffer the same fate? Perhaps Zebes was going to become something like that, but after few more undisturbed years of construction. That said, Urtraghus must have been conquered long ago. And remember, the Pirates have multiple Homeworlds, so not ALL pirates colonized Zebes, but probably a large faction of the species did stay on Zebes while others kept wandering in space and/or colonized other planets. The Pirates just wouldnt seem that efficient as a maurading evil race if they simply relied on a single planet. About Prime 2 pirates being from Zebes, is there anything in-game or instruction booklets that explicitely say that? And nice observation on the manga and other m zebesian variations. (Latinlingo 04:49, September 10, 2010 (UTC))

Haha, oh my god. I just realized Prime is supposed to happen immediately after Metroid, in that she's chasing people escaping. But they made Zero Mission afterwards and (i knew this part) added the gravity suit which she somehow loses, AND (this i didn't know) actually follows them in the ship she didn't have at the time. Man, I love it when developers don't get along. Extraxi 05:24, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Actually, Metroid Prime 1 doesnt take place immediately after Metroid/Zero Mission. It takes place some time afterwards. This is described in several sources of the Prime series. I'll look them up for you. (Latinlingo 10:33, September 10, 2010 (UTC))

Reading the Pirate lores from Prime 1 make it obvious that the installation of all Tallon IV operations took a while. It would be impossible for the pirates to have built the Phazon Mines, the Phendrana Drifts laboratories and created their Elite Pirates if the events of the game took place as soon as Samus left with the escape pod from Zero Mission. My theory is that Samus escaped the Mother Ship in that escape pod and went to Federation HQ for reports and whatnot. A few months later, while flying through her repaired ship (and somehow lost her Gravity Suit, but hey, look at Super Metroid), she intercepted the distress signal from the Orpheon and the rest is history. (Latinlingo 17:30, September 10, 2010 (UTC))

That base was established for a while. Extraxi 18:26, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Tallon IV's and Urtraghus' bases were established prior to Zebes' fall, but Zebes was their primary base of operations. The ships went to already-existing pirate worlds after the attack rather than trying to build all-new ones suddenly in an impossibly short period of time. Dazuro 18:50, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Huh O_o !? When was this confirmed??? The instruction manuals of BOTH Metroid Prime gamecube and Metroid Prime Trilogy versions, along with the artbooklet of the latter version, state that after the fall of Zebes, the survivors divided into two main camps: one was tasked into rebuilding Zebes, and the second went to search for a new planet with powerful energy resources, thus thats how Tallon IV was found afterwards. Also, in the Prime trilogy version, the logs of the Space Pirates contain numbers that date chronologically their actions. The lore with the lowest number is Fall of Zebes, and the lore that describes their discovery of Tallon IV possesses a later date.

And like i previously said, the Pirate Homeworld is far too polluted/urbanized, WAY more than Zebes (which actually has little to no surface Pirate activity), meaning that not only was Urtraghus surely established before Zero Mission (which allowed heavy Pirate facilities to be built on said planet), but potentially even before the Pirates conquered Zebes. Urtraghus wouldnt have the title Homeworld for nothing; this means that pirate population is higher here than any other planet previously encountered and they've been living in it for a long time to receive that title. I agree that Zebes was a very important pirate base, since it was there that Metroid research began, where Mother Brain lived and where Chozo artifacts could be within their reach, but as THE main base? I find it hard to believe, but thats just my opinion about Zebes. As for everything else i said about Tallon IV, its fact. (Latinlingo 20:07, September 10, 2010 (UTC))

Fair enough. But Zebes is totally their main base. Extraxi 20:16, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Fair enough from here as well. However, I would like to point out that Zebes was referred to as their Homeworld as well. Dazuro 21:05, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

The resident Pirates going so far as to call themselves Zebesians. Land Shark7896 21:08, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Precisely. But yeah, if you read the manuals, they refer to Zebes as a homeworld multiple times. Factor that in with even non-Zebes-based piratess being called Zebesians, and it's obvious that was their main base. Here's my personal theory on it -- Zebes was their military base, while Urtraghus was political. Hence why the Commanders, called part of the "ruling class", operated from there. That's home to Science Team and High Command and such. Zebes on the other hand had Mother Brain and Ridley and their main armies. Dazuro 21:15, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

The fact is we have know way of know just how many homeworlds they have. They could very well have dozens (though that's rather extreme.) Land Shark7896 21:18, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

You're correct. However, we do know that the race is referred to as Zebesians by the Federation, by the game manuals, and by Samus herself, even if they're not fought on Zebes at the time. Dazuro 21:19, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps this is because it is the inccident that they became truely infamous for? rrggghh Land Shark7896 21:26, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

So what if that's the reason? The fact is, the race is known as Zebesians far more than it's known as Space Pirates. Dazuro 21:28, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

woaaah, slow down. I'm not arguing either point here, just saying. Land Shark7896 21:31, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, your rrrgghhh indicated frustration to me. Dazuro 21:35, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Ha it is, just not directed towards you. Land Shark7896 21:47, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

What the fuck are you people doing?! The pages are all messed up now. I was comfortable with having this page cover the organiation. Like what it says, their different appearances are probably because of evolution similar to humans, or just genetic manipulation. --RoyboyX 19:51, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Well, we have a page for the organization now. Do we need one for the Prime species or do we merge it with Zebesian? Dazuro 19:53, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

I think...

• Space Pirates for the entire entourage, Kihunters and Mother Brain and Ridley and all that hoohah.

• Space Pirate (Creature) for the Metroid Prime specific as well as a some kind of direct linking to Zebesians.

• Zebesian to cover every single incarnation loosely, like Space Pirate (Creature), while still being supported by several variation pages. Like... Silver Zebesian, Pirate Areotrooper for more detail. (Kinda like what would be a good idea with Ridley now.)

I think that's about right. I might have missed something. Extraxi 20:09, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Is there any confirmation that the Prime 2 and Prime 3 Pirates are even Zebesians? We cant consider them as such yet.

On a different note, doesnt Samus mention both the names Space Pirates and Zebesians in Other M? In fact, she says Zebesians when she specifically encounters the clawed variants the first time in the game, but says the name Space Pirates in the intro of the game (shes probably mentioning the entire organization as a whole here). Other than the claws, what are the other similarities in physiology between all 2D Space Pirates? (Latinlingo 21:02, September 12, 2010 (UTC))

She uses Space Pirates for the group and Zebesians for the race. "The resurrection of the Space Pirates" is one of her fears. And they say "like the Space Pirates, with Zebesians at the center."

As for your second question, not a whole hell of a lot. Sometimes they have frog-mouths. Some have beaks. Some have two eyes, others three. They're just as varied as the 3D ones. But because they all have crab claws, no one has any problem saying they're the same race, for some reason. Of course then the manga proves they are all variations of the same race, but that's not the point. But yeah... they all have elf toes, crab claws, and some of them have small folding fins on their backs. That's it. Dazuro 21:05, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Remember. They're no strangers to genetic mutations. You know the rules, and they break them. A full commitment is what they're thinking of. You wouldn't get this from any other race. Extraxi 21:21, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Heh, exactly. But it's just stupid. Everyone's all "the pirates look so different in prime they have to be different species!" even though they're no more different than Super's-Fusion's-Zero's. :\ Dazuro 21:26, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Interesting what Dazuro brought up earlier. That sentence, when she says "like the Space Pirates, with Zebesians at the center." Does she say that when she finds out the Galactic Federation is involved with the Zebesians from the bottle ship? If thats the case, could she have meant that the Galactic Federation wanted their own Pirate forces, this time with Zebesians at the center. OR, did she mean that the original Space Pirate organization (before Super Metroid) had Zebesians at the center? This could confirm whether or not Zebesians are the dominant and/or most common variation of pirates in the Metroid series.

And i agree that all Pirates, no matter how different they are, are part of the same species (with Kihunters and the pirate leaders, such as Kraid, Ridley, Phantoon, Draygon, Mother Brain being the exceptions), but within that same species there are different sections/categories. Zebesians is one of these categories i believe, the name centers around a group within the species, but not the entire species. Im gonna start checking out scans from Prime 2 and 3 to find out if theres anything that connects them as Zebesians. (Latinlingo 21:39, September 12, 2010 (UTC))

Echoes' ship is one of the ones that was hovering above Zebes. One went to Tallon IV, one to Aether, to my understanding. The third is unaccounted for, but by precedent it may have headed to Bryyo, Elysia or Urtraghus. Dazuro 21:42, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

What? No. They're not all the same species. What on Earth made you think Kihunters, Zebesians, and Phantoon are even slightly genetically related? That is silly. Extraxi 21:50, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Comprehension issues again, I see. "(with Kihunters and the pirate leaders, such as Kraid, Ridley, Phantoon, Draygon, Mother Brain being the exceptions)". Dazuro 21:52, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Don't worry, you have much worse problems than my skimming. Extraxi 21:59, September 12, 2010 (UTC).

I trust that blatant violation of NPA was entirely necessary. Dazuro 22:05, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Well, i just looked at all the Pirate logs from Prime 2, and theres no mention of either the Vol Paragorn or the Siriacus (in fact, it is never known what becomes of them), meaning that Aether's group of Pirates werent from Zebes. But if this was somehow the case (one of those ships being from Zebes) then this following idea of mine would have been a nice theory: the third ship would be the one that goes to Aether after Echoes' events, picks up the phazon remains, and gets conquered by Dark Samus and then goes to Urtraghus to corrupt all the pirates there. But since this cant be confirmed, it can be safely assumed that the two ships that escaped from Zebes with the Orpheon went to one of the Pirates' many homeworlds. (Latinlingo 22:06, September 12, 2010 (UTC))

I believe it was mentioned in an interview, not the game itself, though without a source we obviously can't say it as truth. Dazuro 22:10, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Glad you've started observing your own actions. Extraxi 22:09, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Now now guys, no need to fight here. We dont want this talk page locked up too right? (Latinlingo 22:11, September 12, 2010 (UTC))

ADMINS HELP MEH!![]

I can't get the article's main name Space Pirate Species D': Metroid101 01:37, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

One, calm down. Two, I can't understand a word you just said. The MarioGalaxy2433g5 {talk/contribs/Logs} 01:39, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Lolz... Sorry, thought you guys would get angry for patrolling these stupid article rename edits... >_< Metroid101 01:49, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

...No. I wish you could have just edited it rather than having me patrol the talk page edit. :/ The MarioGalaxy2433g5 {talk/contribs/Logs} 01:52, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

What a mess...[]

It seems whoever decided to split the pages didn't do it correctly. As a result, most of this article contains info about Space Pirates in general. As the Prime pirates are never said to be different from the normal variety, I say we merge Space Pirate (Metroid Prime) with Space Pirate. Or at the very least export most of the info here to Space Pirate, where it belongs. But then you'd be left with a barebones description of supposedly different Prime Pirates. I am for keeping Zebesian, but the main page should be Space Pirate, and at the moment, it seems very small. HellKaiserryo12_[ADMIN] (Talk•Contribs) 00:25, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

Archive[]

The following has been taken from another talk page. It is preserved here for archival reasons.

Crap, I meant to put this at Space Pirates, not Space Pirate. Admin help? Dazuro 19:47, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

On a sidenote, it's actually MB that drove them all crazy, not Ridley. He doesn't have mind powers. Extraxi 19:52, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Ridley is known to have that effect on pirates from the manga. Let's just say it was both and leave it at that to avoid a war. Dazuro 19:53, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

This better? The Exterminator _{ADMIN} (talk • e-mail • contribs • count • logs) 19:57, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Excellent. Now we just need to figure out what to do with the (Metroid Prime) article. It's long, bloated, speculation-filled and redundant. But it might be useful to keep around as a distinction, if heavily cleaned up. Dazuro 20:01, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Burn it down and start from scratch. Extraxi 20:02, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Do we include the ones from Prime 1, which are known to be directly from Zebes, and thus their info could easily go on Zebesian? It feels weird to omit them but it's redundant to include them. Either way, I'll get to work on that after lunch. On a side note, I find it odd how unless you and I are in a life-or-death edit war struggle, we always seem to agree about things. >_> Dazuro 20:05, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

This needs to be restored to its former state, before the split. HellKaiserryo12_[ADMIN] (Talk•Contribs) 16:05, September 29, 2010 (UTC)

Restored. There wasn't any need for a split in the first place, it just made two short pages that had no difference. They're the same species. HellKaiserryo12_[ADMIN] (Talk•Contribs) 16:08, September 29, 2010 (UTC)

Incorrect. There was one article about an organization, and two about the species. The organization page needs to be restored; the question is if Prime's species article should be merged with Zebesian. There is where the redundancy comes in. But either way, Space Pirates as an organization and as a race are two separate concepts. Dazuro 07:26, September 30, 2010 (UTC)

Alkaline or Alkaloid?[]

In the "physiology" section of this article it says that the Space Pirates have high levels of alkaloid in their systems, and that this may have developed as a defense mechanism if their homeworld was drenched in acid rain. I have several problems with this.

• First off, there is more than one kind of alkaloid. I'm not sure what they all are, but I know it's a fairly general term for a class of biological compounds usually found in plants, some of which have hallucinogenic or other neurological/physiological effects on Humans. While it would be worth mentioning that the Space Pirates have a large concentration or number of them in their physiology, it is inaccurate to use the singular form. This might have been a manga translation issue, but it should really be alkaloids.
• A lot of alkaloids are chemical bases, but in the levels usually found in living creatures they don't have much of an effect on biochemical acidity/basicity. Now, it is very possible that the Space Pirates have an unusually alkaline (i.e. basic) biochemistry- different species vary in internal Ph level. However, a large alkaloid level does not mean that they are automatically basic, as the article implies. (See next bullet)
• Now, assuming that Pirate biology is abnormally basic, that would not protect them from acid rain. Usually, creatures take on the Ph level of the environment they evolved in- if it's a basic environment, the species will have a more basic biochemisty. And if it's an acidic environment with a lot of acid rain, the Space Pirates would have a more acidic biochemistry, not alkaline. In fact, considering that acid-base neutralization could potentially get somewhat energetic, an alkaline physiology is probably the last thing you'd want if your homeworld suffered from frequent acid rainstorms.

AdmiralSakai 17:45, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps, if it isn't literally their homeworld, and the Pirates didn't evolve there, we may have an explanation for their non-acidic alignment. However, the basic biochemistry as a counter to the acid rain could be a misunderstanding of the topic by the creators of the game. I certainly didn't know that a species in an acidic environment evolves an acidic system! - Oatesy03, currently an anon (in effect)

Pirate Biology Theories[]

Okay, I'm new here, granted. But hear me out.

I read a lot of posts about Space Pirate biology, and how the species differs from game to game. I've developed a theory that I've always considered good, but I'm putting it to the tests here. From the games I've played (MP, MP3C, Zero Mission, and Fusion), I've summed up that the space pirate "species" is more or less an order, if not an entire phylum of different organisms with similar traits, but differing in multiple ways. This can be seen because all pirates have similar traits, like two eyes, a mouth, at least two fingers (or one claw). I figure the pirates spawn from a base species like the "scientists" in Metroid Prime or the Militia, or even the Zebesians. The multiple divisions have arised from bioengineering and phazon mutation.

I know that Im probably repeating part of the article, but its my theory.

- Cprl. Echo 1 High Resolution, Poor Quality 22:48, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

(PS: Man I hope Im not plagerizing. And my computer is not letting me use apostraphes right now)

Basically, yes, that is the conclusion many of us have arrived at.--AdmiralSakai 23:08, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

Indeed, I also believe that they are a very varied species with a common origin (except for creatures like Ridley, Kraid, Thardus, whatever, who are clearly just Pirates by affiliation, as far as we know). Like you, I also came to the conclusion that the reptiles were pilots or scientists, especially as they were on a research frigate. Perhaps the diversity in the Pirate species is similar to the further diversification of the human species depicted in some sci-fi works. Who knows? ;P Oatesy03 23:42, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

Hm. I always saw the genetic alterations as having two main goals- the first is to adapt Pirates to specific planetary environments as happened on Zebes, while the second is a periodic "revision" of the species. This would explain why we never see different mutations appearing at the same time (until they started playing with Phazon, which seems to have allowed their scientists much greater freedom in cooking up new alterations). However, I am strongly beginning to suspect that Ridley is in fact biologically a Space Pirate and not merely affiliated with them- Mother Brain calls him a part of the Pirate race in the Manga, and his adolescant form in Other M shares a lot of similarities in skin and musculature with them as well. Thus, Ridley is likely just a more-drastically-altered Pirate (or perhaps some sort of eusocial "king"... or maybe even a LESS drastically-altered Pirate).--AdmiralSakai 00:30, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

Does Kraid share any similarities with lesser Pirates? Other than being Reptilian like some of them are. WAIT, dont some of the Pirate forces have THREE EYES like Kraid??? If Kraid is indeed biologically a Pirate, then DAMN, was he severely experimented with to become the colossal beast that he is now?(24.201.170.219 00:38, November 30, 2010 (UTC))

Not beyond belief, oh great un-named one. :P I mean, if they got to the Omega Pirate in Prime (admittedly with Phazon assistance) because he was unnaturally receptive to genetic changes (or something like that... Basically he didn't terminally "wash out" after a short while like many of the others) then there's no reason why Kraid wasn't a pirate embryo that, say Mother Brain experimented on, or other pirates. They gambled and won, getting some ridiculously huge... thing. Maybe. Oatesy03 07:00, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

Double Red X[]

I killed one with a Power Bomb and an Ice Missile, and get TWO Red Xes! Oh my GOD! 24.94.89.214 00:41, August 7, 2011 (UTC)

So? Hex60 03:47, September 10, 2011 (UTC)

Okay... 2 X isn't that amazing, sadly... [Press ① for Log Book.] (User:mp3c) 04:18, September 10, 2011 (UTC)

Probably trivia-worthy. But I think the Fusion variant goes on the Zebesian page, not here. "My name is AdmiralSakai, and I approve this message." 17:21, September 10, 2011 (UTC)

2 RED X. One's rare enough, but I wasn't THAT low on Energy, Power Bombs, and Missiles! 24.94.89.214 00:30, September 14, 2011 (UTC)

PIRATES FORM MP2 AND MP3 ARE THE SAME?[]

If we check the pirate troopers form MP2.ECHOES and the armored pirate trooper of MP3.CORRUPTION we see they have similar or the same tipe of armor, also we have the pirate commandos (that didnt look similar in any way, but appeared with the same name in the trilogy) With this we can assume there are 3 types of pirates:

Crab-like pirates: metroid zero mission, super metroid, metroid other m and metroid fusion, the Reptilian pirates: metroid prime (actualy they look similar to the HUNTERS form resident evil series XD) and the ones form mp2 and 3 that are the same

No offense but can you please use better spelling and grammar? Besides, this is speculation. The MarioGalaxy2433g5 {talk/contribs} 02:12, November 21, 2011 (UTC)

If this was Youtube, you two would start calling each other swear words right about now.

Sylux X 21:58, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

Dim Lighting is impractical?[]

The article says that living in dimly-lit areas would be impractical for something cold-blooded. I think some cave-dwelling animals may not agree. Sir Real (talk) 21:06, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

Space Pirate Gender?[]

Is it ever confirmed what the actual sex/gender of the Space Pirates are and how do they reproduce? Apologies if I've missed anything as have only played one game, thanks for comments :)

I believe scans in the Prime series have used male pronouns before. The manga made references to male Pirates as well I think. I have never experienced any feminine pronouns used though. HellKaiserryo12_[ADMIN] (Talk•Contribs) 20:13, July 11, 2013 (UTC)

I am very interested in this subject and more speffically Space Pirate reproduction. I've thought of a number of possible explanations: the pirates could reproduce asexually; the Pirates we see could be male and females are not generally present in a military environment(this would make some sense given how scans in mp2 say the pirates needed to be sent more men) and may even be more grotesque by our standards (the gender contrast might be akin to the piggies from Speaker for the Dead); we've seen both male and female pirates, but we don't have enough knowledge about their biology to differentiate them; or Pirates conform to the insect hive analogy having a queen who gives birth to all the individuals in a given massive brood (this seems the least likely given what we know about Pirate sociology). I'm very interested in hearing more opinions and theories on the subject and some fan renderings of what Space Pirate females might look like would be much appreciated, but noone do anything vulgar or weird, please. Red Amethyst (talk)

An Interesting Idea[]

I've always had a stark fascination with the Space Pirates, or the Zebesians as they are also called... their strange organization, their giant alien leaders, their obsession with genetics... and if anybody cares to read my pretty well thought-out idea, here we go:

I believe the Space Pirates are constantly changing visually thanks to armor upgrades, phazon usage, and weapon enhancements. When we look at the original "Zebesian" type with crab-like weapons, we have to realize that these are the oldest incarnation of the aliens - in other words, these creatures only appear in Zero Mission, Super Metroid and games that take place within that general era- that is including Other M (the technical sequel to Super Metroid), in which the Federation tries to create cybernetic Zebesian soldiers to use militarily instead of human marines. Well, you see, these creatures all tend to maintain a very specific appearance up until this point.

In Metroid Prime, it seems to me that the base on Tallon IV was primarily a phazon-based genetics facility. Ignoring any of the manga content, since mangas generally tend not to follow the same direction as the original fiction, I believe that pretty much sums up why these ex-Zebesians look... well, much different. Phazon seems to be the "Element X" of the Metroid universe, meaning it can accomplish just about anything the developers want... it's the Tiberium, Element 115, Element 99, Emulsion, whatever fictional alien super-substance you choose to equate it to. You see - Phazon can greatly enhance and augment, but is also inherently mutagenic and chaotic by nature. It's basically the neo super-weapon that everyone is clamoring for at the moment. Metroids are old news now that Phazon is in town.

To bring this theory further, Metroid Fusion takes place long after all the games have concluded... Samus is changed forever, to be essentially half-metroid. The Zebesian clones seen on the station could be any Space Pirate design - but what is clear, these are the old Space Pirates. What's also fun to note? Phazon is no longer accessible. Mutations are completely out of the question, barring the ideas that the X-parasites cook up themselves. Mother Brain is dead too, and therefore these Zebesians were likely close to feral without a vicious leader like Ridley to lead them.

I think that this theory is rather sound, considering the extremely vague facts we've been handed... but we need some degree of continuity here, not just a blatant retcon like we have at the moment. Having used my own personal ideas, experiences, memories and wishes for this theory, my ideas may be biased or flawed - but surely not out of the question! -Amphedark To a new world, of gods and monsters! (talk) 05:25, March 19, 2015 (UTC)

ya should probably post this stuff on a blog or the forums, talk pages are for discussing the article HellKaiserryo12_[ADMIN] (Talk•Contribs) 15:41, March 19, 2015 (UTC)

You're probably right about that, but unfortunately I don't care for forums. To tell you the truth, it was just a shot in the dark - I honestly didn't think anyone was going to read it anyways, given that the last post on the talk page was several years ago. It's just here for fun anyways, really - and, I figure, since other people have done the same in the past, why not contribute? Sharing our ideas and combining them might just contribute to some kind of greater understanding of the fiction.

Just by reading what has been said thus far, I've noticed things that I may not have otherwise... another person's input might just be the key you need to unlock the mystery. A forum? Bah... erroneous speculations and a large group of heathens with no respect for fact or logical discussion. Maybe someday there will be something better than that.

To tell you the truth about these pages, I think you should merely give an honorable mention to the name "Zebesians" and go ahead and combine the articles. I'd be happy to help as much as possible... because, let's face the facts - these are Zebesians. Zebesians are the Space Pirates. It's an umbrella term, but really? I wouldn't call Ridley or Kraid a space pirate if I was to define the term. They're giant unique aliens, maybe even representationally intended to be gods, because they have no race, no homeworld, and no backstory... all we know is that the Pirates revere them. As for the Pirates themselves? They are humanoids with insect/crustacean-like features... who make the weapons, the ships, and everything else. There is no need to differentiate the two... it just leads to more confusion.

-Amphedark To a new world, of gods and monsters! (talk) 19:39, March 19, 2015 (UTC) 

Well you were trying to use the talk page as a forum so that's basically the same thing. As I said talk pages are not for the discussion of theories, thats not to say no one would be interested in discussing them, it's just not the correct place. It says so in the Talkheader. People have done so in the past, but we dont encourage it.

Zebesian has a seperate article because its the consensus at this time that the Prime games and 2D games treat Pirates differently, Zebesians are named as such in the 2D games and are vastly different in most aspects, notably their intelligence and hierarchical structure. Similar to Pirate Trooper, the Zebesians are different and consistently shown to be a different class and deserve their own article, imo HellKaiserryo12_[ADMIN] (Talk•Contribs) 20:01, March 19, 2015 (UTC)

Anyone else think they look a little Giger-esque?[]

Slightly random topic, but to me at least, the Space Pirates look fairly similar to the Aliens from the film of the same name. They've got an elongated, eyeless head, similar skin textures, somewhat similar exoskeletons, overall I think there's at least a slight resemblance, even if it's not intentional (though I wouldn't be surprised if it was, since Aliens was a major influence on the games).

RodimusPhil (talk) 02:19, March 10, 2016 (UTC)

Disambiguation[]

Who would like to make a Space Pirate disambig page like the Special one I made tonight? I'm tired and want to sign off until tomorrow. *relaxes* RoyboyX(complaints/records) 03:19, October 16, 2018 (UTC)

Currently working on it. --PeabodySam (talk) 19:14, October 16, 2018 (UTC)

Infobox image[]

A while ago, I made the image to the right for use in this page's infobox, inspired by the similar collage originally created by Latinlingo for Metroid (species). It was removed without discussion by Dr. Anonymous1, who restored the infobox's previous image of a Corruption Pirate Trooper.

While I can understand the argument that a fan-compiled group of different images may not be as professional as a single piece of official artwork, I believe it's more important for a general article about Space Pirates (rather than any one specific type) to showcase multiple types of Space Pirates. Unlike Bounty Hunter, no such official image of multiple pirates exists (as far as I know). I'm sure the collage idea could be improved upon, but I don't think the idea should be outright abandoned for this page.

Additionally, the exact same Pirate Trooper artwork is repeated further down on the page, which doesn't look professional either.

Any thoughts? --PeabodySam (talk) 23:33, May 25, 2019 (UTC)