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Request for CentralNotice banner

Latest comment: 8 years ago7 comments3 people in discussion

Hi all! I would some help to create a CentralNotice banner for our new contest -> https://es.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Concurso_Wikisource_2016_%28WMAR%29 planned by Wikimedia Argentina.

We want one campaign:

Thanks! --Giselle Bordoy (WMAR) (talk) 14:27, 6 June 2016 (UTC)Reply

Hi, enabled. Currently without diluting views, perhaps later it should be narrowed to just some % of users. --Base (talk) 01:46, 10 June 2016 (UTC)Reply

Thanks a lot! --Giselle Bordoy (WMAR) (talk) 13:55, 10 June 2016 (UTC)Reply

Hi Base can we add the central notice banner to Wikipedia for a few days? Only in Logged in user. Thanks a lot :) --Giselle Bordoy (WMAR) (talk) 14:25, 14 June 2016 (UTC)Reply

Hi, sorry just got to respond here. Could you clarify which few days, please? :) --Base (talk) 20:05, 16 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
Giselle Bordoy (WMAR), I've currently enabled it from tomorrow to 19th including, for 30% of logged in users. Feel free to ask if you need more, I just want to be sure that we do not oversaturate them with banners as well :) --Base (talk) 20:16, 16 June 2016 (UTC)Reply

Thanks BaseI know that now there ir a banner for Wikimania, so if we can put it from June 28th to July 1th itś ok. Thanks again. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Giselle Bordoy (WMAR) (talk) Matiia (talk) 04:16, 22 June 2016 (UTC)Reply

Request for CentralNotice banner

Latest comment: 8 years ago7 comments3 people in discussion

Hi all! I would some help to create a CentralNotice banner for our new contest -> https://es.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Wikiviajes:Wikimedia_Argentina/Concurso_WikiTour2016 planned by Wikimedia Argentina.

  • We want one campaign:

--Giselle Bordoy (WMAR) (talk) 20:45, 8 June 2016 (UTC)Reply

I'm on it. —MarcoAurelio 10:34, 11 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
Done. —MarcoAurelio 10:43, 11 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
Thanks Marco Aurelio — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Giselle Bordoy (WMAR) (talk)
No problem, on the other hand, I'd love if @Jseddon (WMF) could review this. It looks an excesive long running banner (from June to September), and while I've set it as low priority and limited to 30% of traffic, I'm not sure we've set so long banners in the past. Please advice. Thanks. —MarcoAurelio 15:37, 18 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
Yeah this is excessively long for a campaign. Really this should not be more than around a month long. Even our biggest community campaigns rarely go on for longer than a month. Jseddon (WMF) (talk) 23:05, 18 June 2016 (UTC)Reply

Ok sorry @Jseddon (WMF) and Marco if you can put the banner for a month itś ok. Thanks guys. --Giselle Bordoy (WMAR) (talk) 21:52, 21 June 2016 (UTC)Reply

@Jseddon (WMF) and Giselle Bordoy (WMAR) - I've reduced the campaign for a month, to end on 20 July. Since the time was reduced, I've raised the priority back to 'normal' and also removed the % of views limit. Best regards, —MarcoAurelio 22:16, 27 June 2016 (UTC)Reply

CentralNotice - Community usage guideline overhaul

Latest comment: 8 years ago4 comments3 people in discussion

Hi. Centralnotice is getting a lot more usage than expected. Per this and the growing number of community centralnotice requests, I think we should revisit the original usage guidelines. When we started writing those original guidelines, no one expected centralnotice usage would be this high. There are way too many campaign requests and having 2-3 banners always running is getting to be a norm. it is really burning out the pageview and the value of that space - it's downright moving towards becoming a permanent internal advertisement platform. This is not helpful for the community, the staff (the fundraising department especially). It's becoming quite an annoyance in larger countries where this translates into several hundred million views.

So, I propose an overhaul. I have some ideas. I would like to ask for help from other admins, community members, staff and anyone interested to look at these guidelines and update them. This should be of concern to most admins who address banner requests here - your input would be appreciated. For staff, this really isn't intended to affect any WMF related campaigns, just community and chapter originated requests. Pinging people who might be interested Ajraddatz, PiRSquared17,Nemo_bis and MZMcBride. Thanks. Theo10011 (talk) 20:44, 16 June 2016 (UTC)Reply

Moved my comment to the talk page thread mentioned. --Base (talk) 21:11, 16 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
Thanks Theo, I'll take a look and comment there. Ajraddatz (talk) 21:53, 16 June 2016 (UTC)Reply

Update- I added some suggestions there to be added to guidelines. This would concern most admins handling central notice requests. Please take a look and comment. Hiya, MarcoAurelio Vituzzu and other stewards, I hope you guys also take a look and offer some feedback, if you have some time. Thanks. Theo10011 (talk) 16:27, 19 June 2016 (UTC)Reply

[Immediate action needed] Removal of WMFR_CA_publicdomain_fr from Centralnotice

Latest comment: 8 years ago7 comments4 people in discussion

Hello,

This campaign was created by Benoit Rochon without consensus. This was already masked on french wikipedia by using local CSS styles. Many people are now asking for deletion of this banner [1].

Thanks. --Mattho69 (talk) 10:38, 27 June 2016 (UTC)Reply

Having it hidden on the major affected project is such a big deal. I've temporarly disabled the notice waiting for further clarifications.--Vituzzu (talk) 11:53, 27 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
Vituzzu : are you sure that you have disabled the banner? According to Jules the banner is still visible on Wikimedia Commons and on Special:CentralNotice the campaign is still enabled. Thx. --Mattho69 (talk) 21:09, 27 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
I've disabled the banner. —MarcoAurelio 21:37, 27 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
Thank you, it was still active on all projects (Wikipedia, Meta, Commons, Wikidata, Wikisource, Wiktionary, Wikibooks, Wikisource, Wikiversity, Wikiquote, Wikinews, Wikivoyage, etc.), even English Wikipedia if you were using French interface with a French IP. Akeron (talk) 21:41, 27 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
No problem. It was "WMFR_CA_publicdomain_fr" which was active. Please note that it takes up to 10/15 minutes for the banners to appear/dissapear from the interfaces. Clearing the caché may also work, but as far as CentralNotice is concerned, the campaing isn't active anymore. —MarcoAurelio 21:44, 27 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
Weird, I was pretty sure I disabled this notice. --Vituzzu (talk) 21:18, 28 June 2016 (UTC)Reply

Removal of central-notice adminship for Benoit Rochon

Latest comment: 8 years ago17 comments11 people in discussion
The following discussion is closed.

Hi everyone, As the previous section says, Benoit Rochon created a site notice campain on French Wikipedia without consulting the community there before. This, sadly, shows a lack of prudence and measurement not suitable with the use of these particular tools. Léna (talk) 12:35, 27 June 2016 (UTC)Reply

Yes, it was a (big) mystake to create this campaign, because there was no consensus on French Wikipedia, but maybe we can wait for his explanations? Best regards, Jules78120 (talk) 15:06, 27 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
Maybe should it be better, before any removal of central-notice adminship, to ask Benoit Rochon about the reasons of his action (why did he choose this way, was he alone to choose this action, etc.)
I saw, on French language Wikipedia, an explanation written by the chair of the French chapter (« Il y a eu des idées de réactions sur deux bistros et des contributeurs ont choisi de mettre un bandeau. »), but this explanation should be considered, as we say in French, to be « un peu courte » (I don't know the possible translation in English for this distinct sense).
Hégésippe | ±Θ± 15:08, 27 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
As for me, I think someone or a few people have asked this contributor to perform this action because he had the opportunity. Also, I expect that those responsible be denounced and subject to punishment. I think there are other people behind this. Note that this notice also appear here and on Wikidata, so the problem isn't solved. Jérémy-Günther-Heinz Jähnick (talk) 21:29, 27 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
This is both fr:FED and irrelevant. He did not respect the principles behind CentralNotice/Usage guidelines, including focus and community approval. Hence, he shoudln't have the tools.Léna (talk) 07:25, 28 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
I'd love to hear from Benoit on this given the community concerns, before bureaucrats take a decision. Has he been informed about this thread? On the other hand, a request to remove rights might be started on Meta:Requests for centralnotice adminship/Benoit Rochon (removal). I expect we can sort this out without having to do that though. Thanks. —MarcoAurelio 08:55, 28 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hello MarcoAurelio, Léna, Jules78120 and Hégésippe. I wish to react more quickly to community messages, but I was at the airport for 12 hours, returning to Montreal from Wikimania 2016. As I explain on Wikipédia Village pump, I lacked judgment by running the banner as per a request from a small part of the French community present at Wikimania without consulting the whole community first. According to those discussions, French community had 3 days to react and I was asked if I can do something with central notice.
I am responsible for clicking the "Run" button, and it was my duty to explain to people at Wikimania the rules regarding banners. Now, if the community votes to withdraw my adminship, I would agree because I lacked judgment by accepting the request of people attending Wikimania.
Accept my apologies. Benoit Rochon (talk) 14:09, 28 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
As I said, it's a big mystake, "a lack of prudence" as said Léna, but I trust more someone who recognizes his mystakes in good faith, than people who don't. If you understand what led you to make this mistake and if you pledge to always check if the community has been consulted or warned (even if the banner is "urgent"), I don't think it's necessary to withdraw your adminship. So the question is: do you think you can keep the CN tool without doing the same mystake again? If the answer is yes, keep it.
Kind regards, Jules78120 (talk) 14:38, 28 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
Yes I made a mistake. I am terribly sorry about this situation. I wish I can go back. It was my responsibility to explain the rules of CentralNotice to people at Wikimania and consult the whole French community at first. I will sure never do this mistake again.
Now, I wait wisely the decision of the community to withdraw the admin tools or not. Again, I apologize to everyone. Regards, Benoit Rochon (talk) 15:06, 28 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
NB: there is no need to be CN admin to know that asking the community for consensus is needed. So yes, you have to explain the rules of CentralNotice as an admin and check if they are followed, but everybody should already know that —for CentralNotice as for any other big choice— Wikipedia and other Wikimedia projects are driven by consensus. And in this case, how could people around the table don't know that there are always debates about "political" banners? I don't understand. Regards, Jules78120 (talk) 15:32, 28 June 2016 (UTC)Reply

Without digging much into understanding of the concrete situation, I'd rather we do not have removals for single mistakes even if big ones. We speak about humans, not perfected bots after all. It looks that the user has recognised that he was wrong and this, in my opinion, is enough to let him have another chance. It would though justify much stricter approach in case the user repeats the mistake. --Base (talk) 15:29, 28 June 2016 (UTC)Reply

  • CN banner (especially when enabled for logged-out users as well, which was the case here) can have a big impact. But i agree with Base. --Steinsplitter (talk) 15:36, 28 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
  • I hope this is resolved locally. Benoit seems to be back and replying. If the community accepts his apology than this matter can be closed. If they wish for a flag removal, MarcoAurelio gave a link to where your removal request should go. If there is consensus, the flag would be removed. Either way, it's a local community issue, they should proceed as they see fit. Theo10011 (talk) 15:53, 28 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
I agree with the fact that we should trust someone who recognizes his mistakes in good faith, and that humans make mistakes. Benoit explained the context of his action, acknowledged the problem and is now very aware of the sensitivity of this issue and the protocols for consulting the community if such a request is transmitted to him again. Seeris (talk) 20:53, 28 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
  • I wouldn't agree with removing the CA admin flag; we're all human, and the fact that Benoit is willing to admit his mistakes and learn from them is fine for me. As Theo says, hopefully any specific issues with the banner can be resolved as appropriate. Ajraddatz (talk) 21:53, 28 June 2016 (UTC)Reply

Closed. I think that the issues have been properly addressed and no further action is required for now. Benoit acknowledged the mistake, so, per Base et al., I think we can move on. —MarcoAurelio 22:10, 28 June 2016 (UTC)Reply

Thank you for your indulgence. Benoit Rochon (talk) 22:20, 28 June 2016 (UTC)Reply

Request for central notice banner

Latest comment: 8 years ago3 comments3 people in discussion

Hi all, I would like a central notice administrator or a local administrator to create a Central Notice banner for the WikiConference India 2016's call for new proposals.

  • Campaign Link: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConference_India_2016/Call_for_Participation
  • Date: From June 28, 2016 - July 20, 2016 IST
  • Logged in: Yes
  • Projects: Wikipedia, Wikimedia Commons, Wiktionary, Wikisource, Wikidata, Wikiquotes, WikiBooks, Wikivoyage.
  • Languages: en, hi, bn, ur, ml, or, gu, mr, ka, ta, pa, sa, te, as, gom, ne, mai, pnb, my, sd, si, bpy, new, bh
  • Geo-locate: India, Bangladesh, Nepal, Sri Lanka, Pakistan

text1 The Wikimedia India Conference 2016 is now open for new proposals, submit your proposals by July 20, 2016 IST.

Thanks in advance. --Dineshkumar Ponnusamy (talk) 03:16, 28 June 2016 (UTC)Reply

Also requested at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CentralNotice/Request/Wiki_Conference_India_2016:_Call_for_Papers#Wiki_Conference_India_2016:_Call_for_Papers --Ravi (talk) 03:45, 28 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
Not done, because all CN campaigns are now handled via the process at CentralNotice/Requests. Best regards, —MarcoAurelio 08:57, 28 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
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