Wikidata:Property proposal/Yandex.Music track ID

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Generic

For Yandex.Music we already have label, genre, artist, album - lets add track. Vitaly Zdanevich (talk) 17:58, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Support Tracks are an important musical release component, therefore if Yandex is already offering property IDs for the above, adding this new one makes sense. Youyouca (talk) 13:04, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• {{Not done}}, duplicate of Yandex Music release ID (P2819), use Yandex Music release ID (P2819) with qualifier. Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 07:41, 2 June 2024‎
  • But description says "identifier for an album on Yandex Music" - album, not track Vitaly Zdanevich (talk) 01:32, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @Vitaly Zdanevich:, for both album and track formatter URL is same "https://music.yandex.ru/album/$1". However, value is not same, like "The Knot" track value is 3639885/track/30124805, and its album value is 3639885. That's why its English label changed to Yandex Music release ID. Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 03:47, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Vitaly Zdanevich: It seems that URL formatter can be reworked a bit. Track links work even if album id = 0. So you can leave only track numbers as IDs, and replace the formatter with https://music.yandex.ru/album/0/track/$1. Solidest (talk) 09:53, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And I'm not sure if it's the right idea to rework P2819 into "album or track":

https://music.yandex.ru/album/30124805 - album ID leads to the podcast

https://music.yandex.ru/album/0/track/30124805 - the same track ID leads to a completely unrelated track. Solidest (talk) 09:53, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• @ZI Jony: Would you reconsider the status of this submission if I reworked it into separate track-only ids? Or would it be better to resubmit it as a new request? Solidest (talk) 09:23, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @Solidest, Vitaly Zdanevich:, https://music.yandex.ru/track/$1 is redirecting to https://music.yandex.ru/album/"albumvalue"/track/$1. Would you like to continue this proposal, or will use Yandex Music release ID (P2819) with qualifier? Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 12:57, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  As I wrote above, I don't think Yandex Music release ID (P2819) should be used for tracks and albums at the same time and I think the original title should be returned. Audio track is not a release. And the property actually has constraints on not being used for audio tracks. On wikidata it is common to separate this type of data if possible. Apple Music track ID (P10110) for example consists of album ID + track ID at the same time which was the initial problem here. But now the situation is nicer, as we can keep only track ID. So I   Support this proposal in its current state. Solidest (talk) 10:32, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  > Audio track is not a release

  Hm, really? Is it called "single"? Vitaly Zdanevich (talk) 18:03, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

single (Q134556) vs audio track (Q7302866). A single is a release (publication) of an audio track (sometimes with bonus tracks or B-sides). Audio track = composition/song recorded on a medium. I.e. a release is always consisted of audio tracks, which are recordings of the compositions. Here's the same song, but with different IDs: https://music.yandex.ru/album/18331155 = single, https://music.yandex.ru/track/91821112 = track. See also Wikidata WikiProject Music data model. Solidest (talk) 19:16, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]