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Current Squad: Unattached / Free Agent

Hey all,

In a national team's Current Squad, do we think it's best practice to show a player without a club as:

1)

No.	Pos.	Player	Date of birth (age)	Caps	Goals	Club
	2DF	Joshewa Frederick-Charlery	(1997-01-24) 24 January 1997 (age 27)	21	0	Free agent

2)

No.	Pos.	Player	Date of birth (age)	Caps	Goals	Club
	2DF	Joshewa Frederick-Charlery	(1997-01-24) 24 January 1997 (age 27)	21	0	Unattached

3)

No.	Pos.	Player	Date of birth (age)	Caps	Goals	Club
	2DF	Joshewa Frederick-Charlery	(1997-01-24) 24 January 1997 (age 27)	21	0	Unattached

4)

No.	Pos.	Player	Date of birth (age)	Caps	Goals	Club
	2DF	Joshewa Frederick-Charlery	(1997-01-24) 24 January 1997 (age 27)	21	0

I'd personally usually use number 3 but just seeing whether a general consensus exists. Felixsv7 (talk) 09:54, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with Option 3. Kante4 (talk) 10:28, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would say Option 3 or 4, but probably 3 just to alleviate the unknown. Chris1834 Talk 13:37, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Definitely not 4, that just looks like somebody has forgotten to add the information. No real preference beyond that -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 14:04, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I prefer option 3 also, there are enough links on a page, so no need to put links to basic terms. Govvy (talk) 14:20, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Use WP:ENGVAR. I'd have to revert to "free agent" in articles such as Philippines national football team. Unattached sounds like their limbs have been dismembered. Howard the Duck (talk) 00:45, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Option 3 is best (no link) - and fine to use 'Free agent' for some countries per DATEVAR. Giant Snowman 07:49, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I endorse option 3. Svartner (talk) 12:58, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Option 1 or 3, but if option 1, I concur with Govvy that there is no need to link to Free agent. Demt1298 (talk) 13:24, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Part 2

Great, now for part two of the question: if information on the player's club can't be found, which method do people prefer?

A)

No.	Pos.	Player	Date of birth (age)	Caps	Goals	Club
	2DF	Joshewa Frederick-Charlery	(1997-01-24) 24 January 1997 (age 27)	21	0

B)

No.	Pos.	Player	Date of birth (age)	Caps	Goals	Club
	2DF	Joshewa Frederick-Charlery	(1997-01-24) 24 January 1997 (age 27)	21	0	Unknown

I usually use A but I guess B is more informative. Cheers again Felixsv7 (talk) 15:40, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Definitely B out of these two options. A looks like you just forgot to add it -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:47, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Same as Chris for me. Kante4 (talk) 15:48, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@ChrisTheDude: If there's a third option that I've forgotten to suggest, please feel free to add! Felixsv7 (talk) 15:49, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can't think of anything better than option B, personally -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:51, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Definitely B as per Chris Demt1298 (talk) 15:53, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

QPR women's Players categories question

I just created Category:Queens Park Rangers (Women) F.C. players should players who played for the Queen's Park Rangers L.F.C. (1969) team be included into Category:Queens Park Rangers (Women) F.C. players? Dwanyewest (talk) 07:49, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, if they are separate clubs with separate articles, there should be separate categories. Giant Snowman 17:01, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Are players formed at their youth club?

[1] Is this something I've made up by reading too much Spanglish or is this something that people actually say? Unknown Temptation (talk) 11:17, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I cannot remember ever hearing of a player being formed at a club in British English. Perhaps spent his formative years at... Spike 'em (talk) 11:30, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In all my decades of both following football and being British, I have never heard this expression used -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:25, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's not good English. Giant Snowman 17:01, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gerso Fernandes

Good afternoon,

a fellow user kindly added a statistical chart for this player. My query/doubt is the following: there is a discrepancy (box/said chart) regarding his Sporting Kansas City/Major League Soccer stats, and i believe some of those numbers may include playoff stuff.

Can someone accommodate/correct please? Thanks in advance RevampedEditor (talk) 14:24, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What specifically do you think is the discrepency? Demt1298 (talk) 15:20, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox says 107 matches and 19 goals, chart below "gives" him 109. --RevampedEditor (talk) 16:07, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The MLS career log lists 107 matches and 18 goals in regular season play, plus 5 playoff matches with 3 goals. The discrepancy may come from the MLS is Back Tournament, which had group stage games that counted towards the regular season but knockout games that did not. Sounder Bruce 17:11, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe @Mediocre Legacy: can lend a hand here and add to/fix the chart? He's quite the specialist so i've seen. Thanks to all for your inputs. --RevampedEditor (talk) 11:27, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've fixed it. It was as SounderBruce said with the MLS is Back mini-tournament that was held upon the return from the COVID break. I added notes as well to explain as I've seen on many player pages for the 2020 season. RedPatch (talk) 12:45, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes kind fellow user @RedPatch:, forgot about you in my previous note, you are also quite adept in this department! Many thanks to all, continue the good work. --RevampedEditor (talk) 14:00, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gareth Bale

Can someone look at the intro to the Gareth Bale article. To me the plethora of citations claiming him to be the GOAT seems like overkill. Surely, if any of this is appropriate, it should be in the body of the article. Daemonickangaroo2018 (talk) 10:31, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed - it's WP:UNDUE. Historically, we have had the same issues - thankfully batted away - on articles such as Reece James ("one of the best right backs in the world") and James Ward-Prowse ("set piece specialist") etc. - added by fans with nothing better to do. Giant Snowman 10:54, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move at Talk:Turkish Women's Football Super League#Requested move 8 October 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Turkish Women's Football Super League#Requested move 8 October 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 05:53, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

englishfootballstats.co.uk

Is that website okay to use as a source? It looks amateurish. Govvy (talk) 09:09, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I tried to look at it but it is blocked on my work laptop (which I am on at the moment), which is never a good sign...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:21, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The "contact us" button takes you to a personal Hotmail account, the only other link is to a Facebook page which suggests it is a personal/hobby website ColchesterSid (talk) 09:23, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

k, I def won't use it then, Cheers. Govvy (talk) 09:26, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chris Coleman

It's mentioned in the early life section that his dad was Irish, but, according to the talk page, he would've been eligible to represent the USMNT as well: his Mother is off Welsh and African American Descent, having been brought up by a single mother due to the fact that her father was a african american G.I soldier in the American army called down to protect the welsh coasts. Got Colemans Grandma pregnant and left. Chris colemans mother is mixed race, so cookie gets his colour from there. His son, Sonny Coleman, seemingly confirmed this talking about his dad on Twitter:

Sonny Coleman

@SonnyJPColeman

American Grandfather. Half American Mother, but born and bred in swansea on the hill.

17 March 2017^[1]

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a02:c7c:e462:1200:cdab:a124:61b7:f2cd (talk • contribs)

References

^ Sonny Coleman [@SonnyJPColeman] (17 March 2017). "American Grandfather. Half American Mother, but born and bred in swansea on the hill" (Tweet) – via Twitter.

Unless we are going to enlist the help of an immigration lawyer I don't think we should / can add anything to the article, unless we have some clear sources saying he was eligible. Were his grandparents married? Did his mum ever become a US citizen? Spike 'em (talk) 20:46, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'd simply say 'Coleman was of American descent' and leave it at that. No need to get into family trees, no need to speculate about what national teams he could play for... Giant Snowman 20:51, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

BBC makes it clear Coleman's dad was Irish. Giant Snowman 20:56, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We 100% cannot use that Tweet from Coleman's son. Saying "American grandfather, half-American mother" suggests that any links to Sonny are on the maternal line, i.e. unrelated to Chris. Giant Snowman 21:00, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But we know that it's his dad, Chris, who was "born and bred in swansea on the hill," and it corroborates the IP's claim exactly. Having said that, it doesn't look like Chris has talked about it the way he has about his Irish dad. Though if he was ever eligible to play for the US, that it is quite noteworthy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7C:E462:1200:CDAB:A124:61B7:F2CD (talk) 21:33, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You mean your claim? There is no clear evidence presented that Cookie was eligible for US. A tweet from his son is not a reliable source. Spike 'em (talk) 21:47, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, I meant this IP. That was in 2012, 4 years before Sonny's tweet. --2A02:C7C:E462:1200:CDAB:A124:61B7:F2CD (talk) 22:10, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is no claim made on that talk page that he is / was eligible for the US: you seem to be the only person making that claim. There is a huge jump from his grandad was a wartime GI who got a local girl pregnant to he is eligible for the US national team. Unless it can be shown that this was raised as a possibility during his playing career, then the claim should not be in the article. Spike 'em (talk) 22:24, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unless there was a notable "tug of war" between countries over a player (eg Stuart McCall), why is it ever significant which other national team(s) someone could theoretically have played for, anyway......? As far as I am aware there was literally never any consideration given by anyone during Coleman's playing career to him representing the USA, so why would it be of any value to say in the article that he could theoretically have played for them (even assuming that's actually true)....? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:36, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see anything regarding this, but I don't see no mention of his previous marriage on the article, [2] Govvy (talk) 07:44, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, were being asked to take the word of a son who is not even mentioned in the article! Spike 'em (talk) 09:38, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[TweetSonnyJPColeman-1] Sonny Coleman [@SonnyJPColeman] (17 March 2017). "American Grandfather. Half American Mother, but born and bred in swansea on the hill" (Tweet) – via Twitter.

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