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::::::I've made a start on clearing up O'Connell Street, putting sources in and factually checking stuff. I've also ordered a copy of ''The Encyclopedia of Dublin'' which hopefully will be able to supply most of the details. By the time I've done a bit more, I should have some sort of idea of how to tackle the rest of them. It seems a lot of sources are required, things like [[Hotel Metropole, Dublin]] (a major city landmark for almost 100 years) don't even verify the basic dates. Is there an Irish equivalent of Grade I + II listing; it means that equivalent British articles like [[Regent Palace Hotel]] at least have some verifiable content from the ''[[National Heritage List for England]]'' entry. |
::::::I've made a start on clearing up O'Connell Street, putting sources in and factually checking stuff. I've also ordered a copy of ''The Encyclopedia of Dublin'' which hopefully will be able to supply most of the details. By the time I've done a bit more, I should have some sort of idea of how to tackle the rest of them. It seems a lot of sources are required, things like [[Hotel Metropole, Dublin]] (a major city landmark for almost 100 years) don't even verify the basic dates. Is there an Irish equivalent of Grade I + II listing; it means that equivalent British articles like [[Regent Palace Hotel]] at least have some verifiable content from the ''[[National Heritage List for England]]'' entry. |
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::::::Sadly Suede (memorably pictured trampling over my [[Nord Electro]] keyboard ten years ago) died in 2013 at the ripe old age of 19 and a half, which is not a bad innings ... I'd love to get another cat at some point, but I don't have a garden for them to go in. [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 22:15, 25 September 2020 (UTC) |
::::::Sadly Suede (memorably pictured trampling over my [[Nord Electro]] keyboard ten years ago) died in 2013 at the ripe old age of 19 and a half, which is not a bad innings ... I'd love to get another cat at some point, but I don't have a garden for them to go in. [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 22:15, 25 September 2020 (UTC) |
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:::::::Wow, straight off the blocks, that's great! I dug out a few books last night, so will be wading in as well. In Ireland we often referred to buildings colloquially as "listed" but the official terminology is a bit different. In general for structures from 1700 onward, they are catalogued by the [[National Inventory of Architectural Heritage]], that will have an entry for the structure on their website www.buildingsofireland.com, but there would be some details of Records of Protected Structures published by local authorities as well ([[Balnagowan House]] would be an example of that). Seeing as the Metropole is gone, it won't be included by the NIAH, but I have some books relating to the Rising and have encountered some in the past about the rebuilding of O'Connell Street that would mention it too. |
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:::::::Suede was gorgeous. We lost one of ours, Star, at almost 19 earlier this year. It is a grand old age for a cat to get to! We have three indoor kitties, but I have plans on making some of the outside space safe for them in the future :) [[User:Smirkybec|Smirkybec]] ([[User talk:Smirkybec#top|talk]]) 11:01, 26 September 2020 (UTC) |
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That was fun! I'll have to figure out how to do that!
- Thanks! It is quite easy, I just use Twitch Studio. I have a newer laptop on order, as my current one struggles a little bit with so many applications running, but otherwise is simple enough. It also gets me to do some of the smaller editing tasks that otherwise would disappear onto a to do list somewhere! Smirkybec (talk) 12:44, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
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Hi, I'll take this conversation on-wiki, if it's okay. The original UK project page is User:Ritchie333/Monopoly, and was inspired by Tim Moore's 2003 book Do Not Pass Go, which was a basic travelogue around the various locations on a London Monopoly board with facts and figures. I think my favourite is the rather bizarre death of Frantisek Kotzwara in Vine Street. This was backed up by my two "go-to" sources for London, The London Encyclopedia and The Survey of London, which I've used on more articles than I can remember, and Alan Jackson's London's Termini for the stations. For some unknown reason, I awarded myself bonus points for name-dropping Oscar Wilde, who seemed to get around London quite a bit. Whole project took about 2 years and covered 26 GAs and an FL.
For an Irish version, I'm not sure what the equivalent sources are. The obvious prime candidate is The Encyclopedia of Dublin by Douglas Bennett. There's no preview on Google Books, so I've no idea what it's like. The only other Irish editor I can remember off the top of my head is Ceoil; I'm not sure how well-versed he is with the history of Dublin streets, but AFAIK he's been chiefly responsible for more than a few architecture articles, so we can but ask. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:26, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
- Ritchie333 It could be an good spur to encourage the improvement or work on some of the places mentioned on the Irish Monopoly board (the one fixed in my mind is the original 1972 board) but that could be a jumping off point. I took a few pictures for a number of the streets in Dublin that were missing photos a few years ago (including Nassau Street, Dublin), and I would really like to revisit and improve those articles as well. I have a few books on Dublin built history, including Stones of Dublin: A History of Dublin in Ten Buildings and A Portrait of Dublin in Maps: History, Geography, People, Society. In my day job with Wikimedia Community Ireland I'm always looking for new ways to frame content on Wikipedia as well as encouraging ways that new or less experienced editors could find their "niche" on here, and I just thought that looking at places through something as accessible as Monopoly could be a fun experiment! The fact that the Irish board still has a couple of red links, as well as some articles already tagged as needing some work seems to point at a bit of work to do like Kimmage, Store Street and Ailesbury Road. I might see what the folks on WikiProject Ireland think too :)
- And always good to meet another fellow Irish editor with cats featured on their user page! Smirkybec (talk) 11:46, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
- Well I would go for it. If you want me to create the board template, I can do that. Actually, that'll give me a basic idea of what's involved. The only thing I'd say is that for the London one I did about 95% of the work and while I welcomed people to help if they wanted, they were generally content to let me get on with the bulk of the writing. However, that might simply reflect who I am, being the sort of chap who just dives in and does stuff without wanting to delegate if possible. For me personally, the obvious different between doing a London project and a Dublin one is that I've lived in or near London for my entire life, whereas I've visited Dublin precisely once (although I did have a nice afternoon looking at the tax inspection museum at Dublin Castle and having a wander down the riverside) so there'll be a big learning curve for knowing the basics. In terms of Irish articles full stop, as far as I can tell I improved Phil Lynott to GA and wrote much of Maurice Gaffney and Senator George Mitchell Peace Bridge. But I'm quite happy to do some more if I can.
- And all great editors love cats. It's a known fact. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:10, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
- Oh I know that feeling as well, one of the reasons I tend to just plough on with lists and content (like the List of nature reserves in the Republic of Ireland) but I like to leave the metaphorical door open for other people to join in as well if they want :) Heading to the Revenue Museum is a niche occupation for any visitor! That's a rare place for a one-time visitor to have seen! There is a template to start off with here: List of licensed and localized editions of Monopoly: Europe#Ireland and should give you an idea of the places. On the 1972 board, there are three streets from Cork and Shannon Airport, so it's not exclusively Dublin but not far off! And you know where to find me now, if there are any Irish resources that you think I might be able to help out with, I have an eclectic collection of books myself and access to a university library as well.
- Very happy to find a new userbox to add to my collection :) Smirkybec (talk) 12:58, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
- Right, I've put a template up at User:Ritchie333/Irish Monopoly - I could have put it at User:Smirkybec/Monopoly because I think you're far more knowledgeable about Dublin streets and architecture than I'll ever be, but I think it's nice to ask an editor first before you dump stuff in their userspace ;-) I think what I've got is more correct than the existing list. Specifically I think "Earl Street" is North Earl Street as it connects to both Talbot Street and O'Connell Street and serves a similar function of retail and shopping, while "George's Street" is South Great George's Street, which again is near to the other two streets in the group. That leaves us with two streets in the light blue group with no articles at all :-(
- As you can see, there's a heck of a lot of work to do. The most obvious first candidate for a GA would probably be O'Connell Street based on its historical importance and general importance today; it's currently assessed at B-class, but the article is almost completely unsourced, so that would be the first thing to tackle. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 13:08, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
- This is fantastic! Yes, you're correct on those two street, South Earl Street and North Great George's Street are not "main" streets in the way their Northern and Southern counterparts are. Wow, I had never looked at review of O'Connell Street, and I definitely agree. I noticed that Guliolopez was doing a bit of an overhaul of the to do lists etc on WikiProject Ireland, so it could be that O'Connell Street would make sense as a new priority? And could feed into the long-standing goal of getting the article on Dublin to featured status. I'm going to post about this on the WikiProject Ireland talk page now, to let people know and see if anyone would like to help out. (you'll be glad to hear that my cat Pippin was "helping" me write this post!) Smirkybec (talk) 13:48, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
- I've made a start on clearing up O'Connell Street, putting sources in and factually checking stuff. I've also ordered a copy of The Encyclopedia of Dublin which hopefully will be able to supply most of the details. By the time I've done a bit more, I should have some sort of idea of how to tackle the rest of them. It seems a lot of sources are required, things like Hotel Metropole, Dublin (a major city landmark for almost 100 years) don't even verify the basic dates. Is there an Irish equivalent of Grade I + II listing; it means that equivalent British articles like Regent Palace Hotel at least have some verifiable content from the National Heritage List for England entry.
- Sadly Suede (memorably pictured trampling over my Nord Electro keyboard ten years ago) died in 2013 at the ripe old age of 19 and a half, which is not a bad innings ... I'd love to get another cat at some point, but I don't have a garden for them to go in. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 22:15, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
- Wow, straight off the blocks, that's great! I dug out a few books last night, so will be wading in as well. In Ireland we often referred to buildings colloquially as "listed" but the official terminology is a bit different. In general for structures from 1700 onward, they are catalogued by the National Inventory of Architectural Heritage, that will have an entry for the structure on their website www.buildingsofireland.com, but there would be some details of Records of Protected Structures published by local authorities as well (Balnagowan House would be an example of that). Seeing as the Metropole is gone, it won't be included by the NIAH, but I have some books relating to the Rising and have encountered some in the past about the rebuilding of O'Connell Street that would mention it too.
- Suede was gorgeous. We lost one of ours, Star, at almost 19 earlier this year. It is a grand old age for a cat to get to! We have three indoor kitties, but I have plans on making some of the outside space safe for them in the future :) Smirkybec (talk) 11:01, 26 September 2020 (UTC)