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I'm not entirely sure why my initial web link to a Reddit thread, which includes a scan from an American newspaper circa 1951 with an actual potato chip sandwich recipe, isn't considered "reliable" or at the very least evidence that it didn't originate in the UK. A similar recipe also appeared nearly 40 years ago in the American "White Trash Cooking" book, which I also referenced. Compare these with the existing enumerated sources, none of which establish that it's a UK-only recipe. If anything, reference [1] itself indicates otherwise. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2601:8C0:881:8200:4CAD:995B:1F5A:12C1|2601:8C0:881:8200:4CAD:995B:1F5A:12C1]] ([[User talk:2601:8C0:881:8200:4CAD:995B:1F5A:12C1#top|talk]]) 18:44, 16 June 2022 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
I'm not entirely sure why my initial web link to a Reddit thread, which includes a scan from an American newspaper circa 1951 with an actual potato chip sandwich recipe, isn't considered "reliable" or at the very least evidence that it didn't originate in the UK. A similar recipe also appeared nearly 40 years ago in the American "White Trash Cooking" book, which I also referenced. Compare these with the existing enumerated sources, none of which establish that it's a UK-only recipe. If anything, reference [1] itself indicates otherwise. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2601:8C0:881:8200:4CAD:995B:1F5A:12C1|2601:8C0:881:8200:4CAD:995B:1F5A:12C1]] ([[User talk:2601:8C0:881:8200:4CAD:995B:1F5A:12C1#top|talk]]) 18:44, 16 June 2022 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:It is interesting that you are talking about a cultural bias while citing the "UK" when the article clearly has a lot more content talking about the crisp sandwich in Ireland, and also mentions Australia. The problem is your complete re-framing of the article without discussion, the dish might have existed for a long time in the US as well, but that doesn't mean you can just override the current framing completely. Also the way in which you are phrasing the sentence you're attempting to add is biased and doesn't adhere to [[WP:NPOV]]. On a more technical note, pointing to a Reddit thread is not a reliable citation or good practice on Wikipedia, if you mean to cite the newspaper article then cite the newspaper article. Local newspapers don't hold as much weight on Wikipedia as sources in general. As I don't have access to the book, I cannot comment on that citation. |
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:TLDR don't continuously revert, and perhaps engage sooner so that we can reach [[Wikipedia:Consensus|consensus]] sooner. [[User:Smirkybec|Smirkybec]] ([[User talk:Smirkybec#top|talk]]) 19:06, 16 June 2022 (UTC) |
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Hello! A couple years ago you did a Twitter survey about Hiberno-English vs Irish English. I'm wondering if (if you have any free time or the wherewithal), you'd be able to do something like that for England English vs English English vs Anglo-English (vs maybe even just Other). Not sure how the Twitterz work. Thanks for any help! Wolfdog (talk) 15:56, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Wolfdog: interesting idea! That time I was a curator on the Motherfoclóir podcast twitter account which meant it had a BIG following, I don't have access to that and also, I don't think that audience would have as much of a buy-in on that question (I might be wrong). Ideally you'd get someone like No Such Thing as a Fish, Dan Schrieber, or Susi Dent to tweet about it! Smirkybec (talk) 14:34, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- OK, I appreciate the explanation. I'm a Twitter-ignoramus! Wolfdog (talk) 00:55, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
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Crisp sandwich article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crisp_sandwich)
So, here's the problem with the article as it stands: The entire tone of the article implies that the "crisp sandwich" is a relatively modern UK invention/phenomenon, when numerous sources (several of which I've provided already) clearly establish that it's a US invention that's been around for more than 70 years, possibly longer. I'm guessing the article was first written by a Brit with quite a bit of cultural bias, and although it contains a plethora of sources, what's being conveyed is still false/misleading.
I'm not entirely sure why my initial web link to a Reddit thread, which includes a scan from an American newspaper circa 1951 with an actual potato chip sandwich recipe, isn't considered "reliable" or at the very least evidence that it didn't originate in the UK. A similar recipe also appeared nearly 40 years ago in the American "White Trash Cooking" book, which I also referenced. Compare these with the existing enumerated sources, none of which establish that it's a UK-only recipe. If anything, reference [1] itself indicates otherwise. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:8C0:881:8200:4CAD:995B:1F5A:12C1 (talk) 18:44, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- It is interesting that you are talking about a cultural bias while citing the "UK" when the article clearly has a lot more content talking about the crisp sandwich in Ireland, and also mentions Australia. The problem is your complete re-framing of the article without discussion, the dish might have existed for a long time in the US as well, but that doesn't mean you can just override the current framing completely. Also the way in which you are phrasing the sentence you're attempting to add is biased and doesn't adhere to WP:NPOV. On a more technical note, pointing to a Reddit thread is not a reliable citation or good practice on Wikipedia, if you mean to cite the newspaper article then cite the newspaper article. Local newspapers don't hold as much weight on Wikipedia as sources in general. As I don't have access to the book, I cannot comment on that citation.
- TLDR don't continuously revert, and perhaps engage sooner so that we can reach consensus sooner. Smirkybec (talk) 19:06, 16 June 2022 (UTC)