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External links checked 2008-09-20. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 03:12, 20 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

wouldnt Dara Gozal's real name be Ebrahim that is a pseudonym ladies and gentlemen.

When is a pseudonym not a pseudonym? What about DARA, JK Rowling, RL Stine, Dorothy, Ghassan (?), etc? Are these strictly pseudonyms, appelations, nicknames or aliases? -- Tarquin

I vote nickname, of which there are over 100 in wikipedia, but none link to nickname. Someone should create a list (okay, I'll start)

-- dml

Ok whats the difference between a pseudonym, nickname and an alias ? Can royal and religious titles be considered pseudonyms, for e.g., is Dalai Lama a pseudonym for Tenzin Gyatso ? Jay 08:25, 15 Apr 2004 (UTC)

• (copied from Wikipedia:Reference desk) Well, Dalai Lama should be considered a formal title rather than a pseudonym. Since Tenzin Gyatso is generally referred to in English as the Dalai Lama, that's a reference to a title rather than a name. I don't believe that the fact that the title supercedes the name matters in this case. A nickname is generally applied by other people, as opposed to one's self. I believe the main difference between alias and pseudonym is one of connotation; as an alias is more commonly used as a name taken to evade something, whereas a psudonym is usually adopted in order to hide one's actual name but not to actually evade anything. Hope this helps. [[User:Rhymeless|Rhymeless | (Methyl Remiss)]] 07:55, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)

No, royal and religious titles are not usually considered pseudonyms. A nickname is normally something that other people chose for the person, often a familiar and perhaps slightly derogative term. A pseudonym is another name that one choses generally oneself with specific purposes. Alias tends to imply a multiplicity of alternate names, often for illegal purposes. David.Monniaux 20:55, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)

My understanding is that nom de guerre is a pseudo-French expression. As a native French speaker, I never saw this expression used in French, only in English. David.Monniaux 07:20, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)

"Nom de guerre" is a well known french expression used for fighters : warriors, politics, trade-unionists... Please look at : [1].

As for El Greco and Lenin: I would say El Greco is a nickname since it was not adopted by him but rather used by others (I have deleted him from the list of pseudonyms), while Lenin is a pseudonym (or alias) since he used it himself. --Georgius 20:04, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Che Guevara is a nickname, according to Jon Lee Anderson and his biography on Che, named Che Guevara, given to him by his newfound Cuban friends when in Mexico planning the revolution. 212.181.115.254 09:04, 9 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Can anyone confirm that the "editor" in the Heinlein anecdote was Hugo Gernsback? I haven't heard this story before, but I'm 90% sure it was Gernsback anyway, because it's his style. Blair P. Houghton 23:40, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Most of Heinlein's early fiction was published in the John W. Campbell edited Astounding Science Fiction. Among the pseudonyms that he used during that era were Anson MacDonald, Lyle Monroe, John Riverside and Caleb Saunders. BlankVerse ∅ 06:34, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Heinlein's editor was Campbell, yes. But although occasionally more than one Heinlein story would appear in the same issue of Astounding, he wasn't a good case of a prolific author using pseudonyms because of volume of output. He used pseudonyms to distinguish his Future History stories from other stories, and this decision enabled two stories to be published together without a duplication of name, rather than the other way around. While I was at it, I deleted the section on regnal numbers, which has nothing to do with pseudonyms. User:Kalimac

Well they help some while others it hurts. Hey now I have a few nicknames or A.K.A.'s that I use I love mine its easy to remember. Why should people not be able to use them? If people can use them so should authors!

Tiffany

Pseudonym from Greek pseudo + onym = false name. Alias from Latin alius = else, other. Alibi from Latin alibi = elsewhere.

Someone put in the origin of alibi for some reason. HKMARKS 21:57, 5 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I removed the "list of pseudonyms" link (http://go.to/realnames) because upon going to the site, it asked me via a dialogue box to download some kind of anti virus software, and when I tried to close the box nothing happened and the back button on my browser had been disabled. There was also at least one dubious banner ad on the site, plus it played some annoying music. --Thoughtcat 12:42, 12 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

According to the article Kunya, only Abu Ammar is a nom de guerre as opposed to an honorific. Abu Mazen refers to a son. I am unable to ascertain whether Abu Alaa refers to a son, so I shall leave it for the moment - the Palestinian National Authority website is down at the moment due to the Israeli 'incursion'. Oh, and only the "Che" part of Che Guevara is a nickname. Supersheep 14:30, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"Abu <name> is a common kunya (honorific) for males in Arab cultures. It is translated to "Father of <name>." This is considered a measure of respect. From the kunya article: "Use of the kunya normally signifies some closeness between the speaker and the person so addressed, but is more polite than use of the first name." It is common for Israelis, for instance, to call Mahmoud Abbas by his given name, rather than by the kunya "Abu Mazzen." It is preferable to remove references to the kunya in the Nom de guerre section and place them instead in their own separate section, or simply move them to the kunya article. While it is true that in some cases these can be considered a nom de guerre(as with Yasser Arrafat, who has no son), it is also worth noting that this is a distinct practice in the Arab world, and the two terms are not synonymous.

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The French were great at pseudonyms. In many small towns in Quebec, and possibly other French areas, as well, people had the same identical first and last name because they were related or just because they had popular names. So they were given "dit" names or nicknames to distinguish them from the other holders of the same name. These frequently became surnames when they seemed to sound better to the recipient. Drives genealogists wild!Student7 00:46, 31 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I recall reading about conscripts in Sweden being assigned nom de guerres in the period before the reform on last names. They were assigned new last names when they didn't have one or had one that was deemed unfit, and the new last names were short words that were of a "warlike" and positive nature, such as Stål (steel), Kvick (quick) and Svärd (sword). This is all I know on the subject though, and I can't remember where I got it from. Does anyone know anything else about this?

Also, - and this is pure speculation on my part - could old officer's names like Stålhandske (steel gauntlet) have any connection with this practice? --82.182.132.58 22:45, 30 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In order to avoid cries of nepotism as the nephew of Francis Ford Coppola, Cage changed his name from Nicolas Coppola early in his career. Perhaps it should be part of the main article, as the reason here differs from other reasons in an interesting way. 82.195.149.147 08:05, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Some bastards that have been editing that thing to promote themselves and their clan. Should it be removed? --87.248.2.56 17:55, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

These types of lists should never be in articles. They don't add anything.--Crossmr 23:17, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• It would seem that /b/tards have left their mark... I agree, the little list should be taken out. 76.23.99.178 12:44, 23 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The section on origins talks about the French army, and the earliest mentioned date is 1651 (although there is no mention of where this date comes from).

In the 1967 translation of Castiglione's The Book of the Courtier (Penguin, reprinted 2003), Bernardo Accolti, born in 1458 and dead in 1535, is said to have been "better known by his nickname, or nom de guerre of Unico Aretino". Of course, I don't know whether that means the term itself was being used at that time.

69.95.168.74 21:22, 16 April 2007 (UTC)John Denton[reply]

Some kids seem to be adding their names to the example clan name part, might wanna keep a check on it so they don't turn it from an example into clan advertising.

Am I right in thinking pseudonyms are fake names that can be traced back to their originator (thus being pseudo-anonymous) and that anonyms are fake names that keep the person behind them completely anonymous? If so, the distinction should be worked into this article and the anonymity one. --BranER

The authors of this article obviously assume that "legally-valid" or "legally-given" names are the same as "true" or "authentic" names. Evidently, one can always come say that to invite the readers to think is not an "encyclopedic"/wikipedic goal... BTW, someone should have studied Ancient Greek harder (MUCH). KSM-2501ZX, IP address:= 200.155.188.4 (talk) 14:19, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What are the aliases for elements? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.13.224.64 (talk) 12:20, 2 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The (non-universal) practice of punk rock musicians adopting "stage names" was not an effort to sound "tpugh", but rather an ironic mockery of mainstream acts pretentiousness. At least that's what was said in the Midwest U.S. in the late 70's/early 80's. I can't currently find any sources supporting this, if anyone else can please edit accordingly 24.160.241.39 (talk) 20:35, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

When becomes a label for a noun, normally used to distinguish one from another, or to be more precise a label for a proper noun in this case, turn fictitious? I thought that the Guns 'n' Roses were real? You catch my drift, I mean for many people it's true that their pseudonym is actually their 'name'. By that, people call him or her by her pseudonym all the time. This accounts for every day use. Not even arguing about the pure fictitiousness (linked it to arbitrariness) of names themselves. so: when is a name considered fictitious and distinguished for the 'apparent' not fictitious other names? Mallerd (talk) 10:32, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If the name is not their legally recognized name or a simple variation of it ("Bill" instead of "William"), it is a pseudonym. - Jason A. Quest (talk) 12:15, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see fictitious in your answer. What does that mean for the lead, Jason? Simply looking at the word it means having an untrue or false name, like you said. How is it fictitious? Mallerd (talk) 17:58, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Because things that are fictitious are not true, and things that are not true are fictitious. [2] - Jason A. Quest (talk) 19:01, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

My previous comment then: are the Guns 'n' Roses not true? Is Lenin not true? His born name is different. However, when people talk about Lenin, he is true. This wikipedia definition is simply fictitious. Mallerd (talk) 01:33, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Is English your native language? If not, I suggest that you don't try to play semantic word games in it. - Jason A. Quest (talk) 02:36, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I suppose you didn't understand that last sentence was intended to be nonsense. Why don't you answer me, please? Why is it this definition is not altered to your first answer: pseudonym is a name for a person that is not their legally recognized name or a simple variation of it. I know that if I change it now, you'll revert it. Mallerd (talk) 10:27, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Quick note: I think it should change because the name 'William' (apart from it's meaning) is just as made up and not real as Guns 'n' Roses. Any word for that matter (which is translingual, thank you very much Jason), but I'll recognize you have to stop somewhere. Mallerd (talk) 10:31, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I can't tell what you intend to be nonsense because so much of it is unintelligible sophistry. - Jason A. Quest (talk) 11:58, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Jesus Christ man, I'm not trying to mislead you :S if you didn't understand it, why did you respond then? Mallerd (talk) 13:55, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I responded because I assumed that you were attempting to ask a question in good faith, just with a poor grasp of the language. If you are instead trying to start a debate over semantics for entertainment, please take it somewhere else. - Jason A. Quest (talk) 15:23, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know if it's vandalism, or what, but the following section - as it currently appears in the first paragraph - seems nonsensical to me:

Actors, musicians, and other better matches their stage persona . . .

Ed8r (talk) 17:36, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

S.E. Hinton is not a pseudonym. It is merely the abbreviated form of her real name. Similarly, C.L. Moore is not a pseudonym, but again, the abbreviated form of her real name. We don't think of H.G. Wells, P.G. Wodehouse, L.L. Bean, or A.A. Milne as 'pseudonyms', do we? 70.27.3.13 (talk) 06:16, 9 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Should we split this into a separate item? I feel it probably could be. [sent from shared PC] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.45.219.185 (talk) 11:36, 12 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Why were all the sources and all of the content deleted from the detailed criminal alias section, and the entire section and header deleted? Suggestions for paring down? PPdd (talk) 02:28, 30 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not spam the talk page. One section for your complaints is enough. I suggest that you visit WT:Tambayan Philippines. There are some concerns regarding your edits. Moray An Par (talk) 02:58, 30 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

article is poorly sourced. PPdd (talk) 02:30, 30 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

An entire section was deleted and marked as a "minor" edit. Why "minor"? 71.121.31.183 (talk) 02:47, 30 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry. I didn't know it was marked minor. Moray An Par (talk) 02:50, 30 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Moray An Par deleted an entire section and its header with edit summary "removing User:PDdd's edits: not worth mentioning; there are many other more infamous criminals with aliases". What is the RS for this assertion. Pearlasia Gamboa was on 60 minutes, Washington Post, etc, all because of her method of using aliases. This woman may have the most number of fictitous business name aliases of anyone in history. She bought the biggest house in Beverly Hills solely on her criminal use of aliases. 71.121.31.183 (talk) 02:45, 30 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Section on Sockpuppets and Meatpuppets as aliases is needed. Does anyone have RS at hand? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.121.31.183 (talk) 02:48, 30 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]