Talk:Medieval principalities in southern Dalmatia

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I have come to reliable sources that Pagania was in the later 12th century a component part of Croatia, but I have come to no source absolutely that it is under Stjepan I that they joined, in 1050. Perhaps anyone knows a source in precise? --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 14:09, 9 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not me, I just copy-pasted this stuff into a new article because History of Dalmatia is a huge mess and full of irrelevant stuff that's meant for new articles. I'm now working on a better organization of that text and a full cleanup of grammar & spelling. --DIREKTOR ^(TALK) 15:40, 9 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Sir/Madam,

I am writing to bring Wikipedia’s attention to some of the historical information on it’s web site. It is about the former coastal Principality of Paganija in today's modern Croatia. The article concerned is in the historical section of Wikipedia (English Version). Historical facts are being presented here which appear to be formulated using unscientific methods. One can only interpret this as to be politically motivated.

The article is uses the information written in the book "De Administrator Imperio" by Roman Emperor Constantine VII Progenitors (Byzantine Empire) as it's reference point for the written statements:

a. "Pagania is described as a late baptised Serbian land."

b. "The Neretvians were also known as Pagans, because by the time of their Christianization, all Serbs already accepted Christianity."''

The historic information in the De Administrator Imperio which it cites has long been know as questionable, contradictory and should be treated as such. While other sections of this book have been regarded as genuine by respected Historians.

By using edited sections of De Administrator Imperio the reader comes to the conclusion that Slavic people of that area are of Serbian decent which clearly is not the case. This makes De Administrator Imperio a questionable source of historic information about this region. There are others such as two chapters telling two different versions of the arrival of Croatians. The sections about the arrival of Serbs seem to be identical to one of stories telling the arrival of Croatians. The chapters read as a retelling of the migration pattern of same peoples as if the author lacked historical information and used it as a template. One of the chapters also used mythic Croatian narratives as fact. Also De Administrator Imperio is describing events that took place three centuries before it was written. With this in mind, information in De Administrator Imperio concerning the Principality of Paganija can be put in serious doubt.

Due to the very nature of the Internet and its place in society this misleading information can be used in the future as a propaganda weapon. One can only recall the recent former Yugoslavian Wars and how much pain, misery and death it brought.

One should also ask why is Wikipedia using poor historic scientific methods and is it representing politically biased interests? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.2.59.195 (talk) 00:39, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]