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"of the FA Cup in in 2003–04" there is an extra "in" that shouldn't be there Elspooky (talk) 15:59, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. Gog the Mild (talk) 16:02, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Olaf Scholz

• The German ruling coalition (Chancellor Olaf Scholz pictured) collapses over disagreements on economic policies.

The word "collapses" seems too strong as the linked article, 2024 German government crisis, does not use it. What it actually says is "...FDP effectively moved into the opposition, rendering the current coalition a two-party minority government." So, there's still a coalition but it has lost one of its members and so will continue as a minority government for now. Scholz is negotiating what happens next and it seems to be too soon to say exactly what that will be. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:37, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Indeed, I'm not even sure why this is in ITN given that the government is still very much in place. There will presumably be elections soon and we should post then.

  Also, when I first read this I thought it was Scholz himself who had collapsed. It's a poorly worded hook, given the presence of the photo caption in the middle, making it look like the Chancellor has had a mishap.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:35, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Indeed, I'm not even sure why this is in ITN ...: Met WP:ITNSIGNIF:

  It is highly subjective whether an event is considered significant enough, and ultimately each event should be discussed on its own merits

  —Bagumba (talk) 05:15, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

FWIW, the first two sources at the ITNC nom were "Scholz sets stage for German snap election as government collapses" and "Germany’s Coalition Collapses, Leaving the Government Teetering".—Bagumba (talk) 19:41, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Those are news headlines which, per WP:HEADLINE, tend to use "exaggerations or sensationalized claims with the intention of attracting readers". And note that those examples are contradictory – one says the "government collapses" while the other says "government teetering". These are metaphors but these can be confusing when we are blurbing actual physical collapses too such as the recent canopy collapse. We should have a more precise description using the encyclopedic language of the article rather than the journalistic hyperbole of the news headlines. In this case, the finance minister was dismissed and his party left the governing coalition. A vote of confidence is now expected but hasn't been scheduled. So, the blurb might be:

* German chancellor Olaf Scholz (pictured) dismisses his finance minister and the resulting resignations leave his coalition without a majority.

Andrew🐉(talk) 09:46, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This doesn't seem to a gross error that will get resolved here. Since it appears to be "major changes in the blurb's intent or very complex updates" (Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates#Suggesting_updates), the ITNC nom seems like the best venue to gain consensus.—Bagumba (talk) 10:32, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

FWIW, Ger. Wiki's ITN blurb translates as: "After the failure of the ... coalition, the FDP leaves the German federal government and as a result the cabinet of Chancellor Olaf Scholz is reshuffled." -- Sca (talk) 14:42, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• We should keep this discussion open as there are further developments to consider. Today, there are reports that the major parties have agreed the date for a snap election with the timetable being a vote of confidence on Dec 16 and the election on Feb 23. See DW, Politico, Reuters, etc. So, the updated blurb might be:

• German chancellor Olaf Scholz (pictured) agrees the date for an early election after resignations left his ruling coalition without a majority.

Andrew🐉(talk) 12:22, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You're proposing a new blurb that highlights a new article. This should happen at WP:ITN/C Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 13:53, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Signature to disable archiving: ffm 15:15, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I believe it's time to move forwards with adding featured sounds to the main page. There are 98 featured sound files, representing 65 distinct compositions (symphonies and such can contain multiple files because of the various movements) Our statistics are reasonably good, with about a dozen per month in the last three months, and October looking good for a strong increase on that.

And, of course, the greater visibility can reasonably be presumed to attract more people to Featured sounds, increasing these numbers.

This will need some set-up time, of course, so I'd suggest that we start by putting in featured sounds in place of the weekend featured pictures in, say, November or December (I have discussed such a move with Howcheng) and plan on starting a daily run of featured sounds in the new year. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 14:40, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What about "featured media" - which would basically be featured sound or video, rather than a picture? Garden. 16:26, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Garden. That sounds a great idea. J Milburn (talk) 16:56, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the above editors—given the relative scarcity of featured sounds (which is not a comment on the quality of the selections, of course) and the scarcity of space on the Main Page, folding featured sounds into the current "featured image" selection and calling it "featured media" is probably the way to go. If this is done, the first sound selection needs to be chosen very carefully as a useful introduction to the concept, so I'd advise not going forward until you have a specific selection in mind for it. Of course, that's true even if it's not folded into the featured images, too. — Gavia immer (talk) 17:07, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This seems rather appropriate to kick it off with - an extremely good quality recording of a song everyone already knows. Raul654 (talk) 17:22, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I believe, though, that Featured Pictures is already quite a bit behind. I wouldnt mind blending sounds with video, to take some of the load off FPs, but to add sounds permanently to FPs is just going to push things further and further behind. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 17:58, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'll support a rename of "Featured Picture" to "Featured Media" and the inclusion of sounds, but only if one sound is chosen per composition (such as the first movement of la primavera) for now. ffm 23:13, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I was thinking that, as sounds don't take a lot of space, we could probably fit three or four in without too much trouble. That's enough for all but one multi-part sound, and, frankly, we could just take some samples from that one without much problem. In any case, the multi-part sounds are a distinct minority. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 09:13, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, that's a great idea. ffm 22:38, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

One problem with swapping a Featured Picture out with a Featured Sound is that the FPs currently have about a six-month backlog before appearing on the Main Page. Adding Sounds only increases that backlog. Additionally, there's a lot of technical template work to incorporate sounds, which may or may not be feasibly done. howcheng {chat} 17:03, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A six-month backlog is a good problem to have, no? Has any thought been given to having two Featured Pictures each day? I wonder if the current stockpile would accommodate that. Then maybe, some days the second Featured Picture space could go to a Featured Sound, and we'd take out two birds with one stone.--Pharos (talk) 20:01, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Multi-listen start Template:Multi-listen item Template:Multi-listen item Template:Multi-listen item Template:Multi-listen end

I like the idea, if it could be implemented, and suggest it begin by pairing this featured sound with either of these featured pictures. (Note that Wikipedia has already done this once on 9/11/2008 when it ran George W. Bush's 9/11/2001 speech (a featured sound) in tandem with a featured picture of the World Trade Center wreckage). Howcheng, you are welcome to push back my featured pictures in the queue in order to mix in featured sounds. That would reduce about 1/3 of the backlog? Durova^Charge! 17:15, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think sound-picture paring would work nicely, as right now a bit of space is wasted on the main page for one item. ffm 22:38, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Of course, we wouldn't always have such a neat pairing available. =) But yes, whenever possible. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 22:52, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As I see it, there's a few ways to do this:

1. 1 Featured media, either FP or FS - this is probably impractical. Too big of an FP queue.
2. Two featured media every day: I'm a little uncomfortable with this, because it wouldn't really advertise the featured sound project very effectively (since the words "featured sound" would not appear, and it gives no firm schedule for featured sounds.
3. Featured picture + second FP Tuesday-Thursday-Saturday-Sunday / FS Monday Wednesday Friday - I kind of like this idea better, simply because, with a simple bit of extra code, featured sounds could be named in the title and links on the designated days. Three Featured sounds a week seems quite possible.
4. 1 or 2 Featured pictures + Featured sound every day: Perhaps in the future!

I would suggest that, whatever we do, that the new inclusion of featured sounds is worth a Wikimedia foundation press release, explicitly encouraging people to submit their sounds. Wikipedia can do sounds very well, which print encyclopedias can't, but we do need to make it known that Wikipedia welcomes and encourages such submissions, or we won't get 'em. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 23:54, 15 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Support this excellent idea by Shoemaker's Holiday (talk · contribs). Cirt (talk) 11:18, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.196.241.102 (talk) 06:48, 19 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The four-month FP promotion rate is around 10.4/week, slightly less than as proposed above. I don't know how things are going over at FS, but what concerns me is that sometimes we have a lull where the rate drops below 7/week for a few consecutive weeks. Maybe a 10/4 partition?

And how thwould e main page look like when we have a panorama, especially at lower resolutions (800 x 600 in particular)? If I did POTD, I would run only one item those days. This would scuttle more than a few designs in the 2008 main page redesign proposal. MER-C 12:36, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Featured sounds could probably manage 4/week. Also, figure that some FPs (e.g. that collection of fractals) and multi-part FSes might reasonably take both partitions, and we should be fine, particularly if we set up the code to allow things like panoramas to take up both slots. We'll need to do the extra coding, of course, but if we have the will to move forwards, I don't think that's a huge problem. I'll start setting up a test system, based on the current featured pictures code, using default values to make it backwards compatible. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 14:34, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's a very optimistic number on Shoemaker's part. I suppose this deserves background: for nearly three years featured sounds languished with an average of fewer than one promotion every two months. A small core of people brought the process to life this summer and fall, but it really needs broader exposure to become sustainable. I would gladly sacrifice any and all of my FP work if that's what it takes to get a stable featured sound process. That would be in the best interests of the encyclopedia. Durova^Charge! 22:37, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

We've managed about 3/week for three months running. Presuming a bit more participation, 4 should be possible, particularly given the 60-odd sound backlog that will help fill in the gaps while we build things up. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 22:57, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't suppose there's any hope for the idea that WP shouldn't try to cram something into every last square inch of its mainpage? The Mozart example above reminds me of this.

While you may have a point about not trying to cram in too much (media overload), it's worth remembering that Google is a search engine and their main page is intended to be a way to access that search engine. Yahoo clearly consider their main page as a portal and similarly our main page is primarily intended to promote our content not to function as a search engine or be a way for people to access our articles (that is part of the purpose but not the primary purpose). You may want to go to Wikipedia:2008 main page redesign proposal where generally too much whitespace is frowned upon and voice your views Nil Einne (talk) 08:07, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Um, where does anyone mention Mozart? Durova^Charge! 22:31, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I meant Beethoven, of course. APL (talk) 01:17, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

We're not cramming things into every square inch on the MP - we're just adding something else next to the FP, that won't take up any more space than a panorama. This would be a welcome addition to the project. Dendodge|Talk^Contribs 08:14, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I fully support this idea; I trust you'll find a schedule that works. I'd also like to see a Featured List, Portal, or Topic a day.--HereToHelp ^{(talk to me)} 03:11, 1 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The main delay is going to be updating all the templates involved. I'm going to have to try and get a small task force together. At the moment, at 4/week, we can last about four and a half months even if we never promote another featured sound (currently 75 featured sounds), so I think that we should be fine. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 21:08, 3 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What does it take to get an article up here on the main page? Does it have to be FA quality or a DYK article or can it be some article of B class quality aswell? Oh, and I also wonder: does anyone ever vandalise the main page? Because it protected...J.B. (talk) 10:04, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, all articles on the main page are FA. The DYKs I don't know about. Darrenhusted (talk) 10:06, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Depends on what article you talk about. Today's Featured article has to be an FA. See Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests for more information. Also, DYK needs to be a new article that is not a stub, or a stub article expanded by over fivefold over the past five days. ITN articles must cover the topic in question, that is, the topic should be updated. Does this help? Zithan (talk) 09:58, 3 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

DYK also requires to have a hook that can be adequately sourced. --293.xx.xxx.xx (talk) 03:57, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That answers my first two questions, thanks for that. What about vandalism? Are there still admins vandalising the main page? Has it happened in the past (just curiousity)? J.B. (talk) 11:19, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It has happened. (That user was de-adminned about ten minutes later.) Hut 8.5 11:25, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pretty strange though... how one would do all his best to become admin and then does something like that. I fail to understand his motives... J.B. (talk) 11:32, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The common reasons are 1) an admin account is compromised, e.g. because it has an insecure password (although I think measures have been implemented to make dictionary attacks more difficult so this may be less common now) 2) an admin account is left logged on and someone with (usually) legitimate access to the computer uses it 3) an admin decides to quit wikipedia for whatever reason and decides to go out with a 'bang'. In cases 1 and 2, the admins will usually get their adminship back once they have proven their identity and explained what actually happened Nil Einne (talk) 12:41, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What happened to that guy, then? Was it reason 1 or 2, or was he going out with a bang (3)? BobAmnertiopsis∴_ChatMe! 17:29, 1 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

We don't know for sure but about a month before User talk:Robdurbar he said he was leaving. There was no contribs after until someone started fooling around [1]. This likely suggests it Robdurbar deciding to go out with a bang (whether it was him or he lent his account to someone else we don't know), although it's obviously still possible someone broke into his account. Nil Einne (talk) 19:46, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This user has gone on several other rampages with admin sockpuppets - see Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Robdurbar. Hut 8.5 07:34, 3 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Is it true that Tomorrow's (Nov 4th) TFA has yet to be chosen? Aren't these things done well in advance? Justice America (talk) 06:42, 3 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

They are chosen no more than 2 weeks in advance, and no, I have not chosen it yet. Raul654 (talk) 06:44, 3 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It was the two presidential candidates, btw, in case anybody missed it. ffm 00:15, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

US election coverage has been moved to /Archive 129. ffm 00:11, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting - the way the time zones worked out, election day ended for Wikipedia before any more than one or two states had been called in the U.S. --Philosopher ^{Let us reason together.} 00:53, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not really, since votes are cast during one day, but the results aren't announced until early on the the next one Modest Genius ^talk 03:44, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but the polls were still open in virtually every U.S. state, meaning the voting hadn't been completed. In fact, voting is still going on in Alaska right now. --Philosopher ^{Let us reason together.} 04:40, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How do I get a link to the Halloween mainpage, to add to this article: Wikipedia:FCDW/October 27, 2008? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:19, 4 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Made just for you. I added the 3 different sets of Halloween sets of DYKs, but other than that it should look spot on. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 21:11, 4 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much :-) I wasn't aware you would have to build it: thought I was just too dumb to find it. Is it OK for me to move that from your userspace to a Dispatch page? Or would you mind moving it to WP:FCDW/Halloween? Thanks again, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:59, 4 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Feel free to move it wherever. When you're done would you mind deleting my subpage? §hep • ¡Talk to me! 22:02, 4 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Moved, thanks again ! I'm not an admin: can you put a {{db-author}} on it? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:05, 4 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

 Done, deleted. –Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 22:08, 4 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 22:09, 4 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Does the donate ad need to be so big? It hasn't been in the past, and, honestly, it looks unprofessional being so big and in-your-face. Sure, you can make it smaller, but for the casual user, this massive ad, bigger even than banner ads on other web sites, is the first thing he's going to see. zafiroblue05 | Talk 02:09, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wikimedia needs money!! --Domthedude001 03:25, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... and is unlikely to get any by being pushy. - Tbsdy lives (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) ^talk 10:35, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It was sooooo tempting to put a {{sodonate}} template here... But honestly, it's either this or actual ads. ffm 03:37, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A badly done ad that generates ill will is not worth the short-term gains. To me, this looks like a knee-jerk reaction to the results of the survey. Feezo (Talk) 06:10, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ugly, ugly, ugly! It's even huger and uglier than most web page banner ads. --FOo (talk) 05:27, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, it looks terrible. The red box is too big compared to the Donate Now text and is too bright of a shade of red. I think red text on a white background would suffice It screams 'banner ad'. On the plus side it might just annoy enough people to donate enough that it goes away faster :) Mfield (talk) 05:33, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It wouldn't be quite so bad if the "hide" button actually hid it, instead of just making it smaller. To actually hide it — for example if you've already donated — you can disable Javascript. I highly recommend NoScript for this purpose. Feezo (Talk)

Note: Logged in users can hide the banner by going to Special:Preferences → Gadgets. --MZMcBride (talk) 05:35, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There is no easy way of knowing this. - Tbsdy lives (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) ^talk 10:35, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Where is this banner located? I did a search and couldn't find it - also the image it uses doesn't appear to be in Image: space. --Philosopher ^{Let us reason together.} 05:36, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Loaded from Meta. See WP:NOTICES for a bit more information. :-) --MZMcBride (talk) 05:53, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. --Philosopher ^{Let us reason together.} 05:55, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Good to know, thanks. Mfield (talk) 05:37, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hideous and intrusive. Almost makes me want to go on Wiki-strike. Gandalf61 (talk) 06:45, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm logging in for the first time in a while to comment on how intrusive this banner is. Maybe that was the point. But I agree with pretty much all the comments above. TOO BIIIG!. QmunkE (talk) 07:53, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Why does the ad say "now it [Wikipedia] needs you"? Along with the ad's prominence, it makes it look like there's a sudden financial crisis. If so, it should have a link to a "more info" page with an explanation for the urgency. If not, it's crying wolf and should be reduced/deleted. 24.62.224.57 (talk) 12:45, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. It's just too... red. Why can't we have the small, unintrusive signs we had in previous years? --Zvika (talk) 12:48, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

His name should be spelled as "Barack Obama", not "Barrack Obama". Thanks, ♪TempoDiValse♪ 04:05, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Never mind, someone fixed it. Thanks. ♪TempoDiValse♪ 04:45, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Main page edited? It has changes but, no visible change in the history.--Jakezing (talk) 04:17, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Through templates like Template:In the news. - Mark 04:18, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And its automaticly edited into the page without any notice?--Jakezing (talk) 04:19, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. See WP:TRANSCLUDE. –Howard the Duck 04:22, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That goes over my head but ok.--Jakezing (talk) 04:28, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a particular section of it you want to watch? We can point you to it if you like. --Philosopher ^{Let us reason together.} 05:23, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, any chance in switching the order of In the News from leading off with "an airplane crashes" to instead leading off with the Barack Obama story. His photo is the only one on the In the News Main Page section and it seems a bigger story. Thanks. -- Suntag ☼ 04:30, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Does itm atter? No.--Jakezing (talk) 04:35, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

While I don't object to reversing the order given that both stories were about the same time, your premise is flawed. We always only have one ITN picture and we don't sort by priority but chronologically. In any case, this really belongs in errors above or WP:ITN/C Nil Einne (talk) 04:35, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I dunno what time the plane crashed but Obama was elected a few (if you're at the West Coast) hours ago... –Howard the Duck 04:39, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Can't see anyone else noting this, but the donations drive notice is extremely large and, no, it's not hidable. Wikimedia just guaranteed that I'm not going to donate to them now, and I'm a long time contributor. - Tbsdy lives (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) ^talk 08:34, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Just found that it is hidable. But why so hidden in preferences? - Tbsdy lives (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) ^talk 09:29, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There's a discussion above — I fully agree with you by the way. Feezo (Talk) 09:30, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ah-hah! I shall donate to wikipedia if I so wish, its my money. I do not need a huge unavoidable (until I read this) banner to tell me to "DONATE NOW!" Kennedy ^(talk) 09:34, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Agree, I have been using Wikipedia for years and (on my screen) this stands out as an odd blemish on an otherwise excellent open culture site. Please can we get it reduced in size? - David Higham

Agreed too. It looks hideous and almost trying to force people to contribute. I'm not impressed by the way it has been done this time. There is a village pump discussion about it and here Count Blofeld 12:36, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You can turn it off in special/preferences/gadgets. That's only for registered users though, so tough luck anoyonmous IP scum! Lugnuts (talk) 12:48, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Just curious. How comes the picture for today's article has changed, as shown in the title? Simply south (talk) 11:22, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I actually find the sign a little distracting, I'm sorry to say, but it's true. I don't find it hideable, contrary to what is said above. A great deal of it remains after one clicks the "hide" option, and tyhe red button catches your eye much more than the article you're trying to read --Maurice45 (talk) 14:23, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I concur. The donation sign is freakin' massive. We just suffered through a U.S. election, and we've experienced enough signs asking for support to last a lifetime. I'd rather be gagged with a popsicle stick than stare at a "give me money" banner in the only place that provides temporary sanctuary while I'm working. Digital^Ninja 14:49, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

check your user prefs.Geni 15:12, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]