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A group of editors is working on coordinating Portal:Contents and all of its subpages. This activity has two basic parts. The simplest part is to coordinate their presentation, such as page layouts. Most of the discussions about how to accomplish this are at Portal talk:Contents. The more involved part is to coordinate their substance, such as what gets linked from the pages and their classifications. Most of the discussions about how to accomplish this are at Wikipedia:WikiProject Contents and related projects such as Wikipedia:WikiProject Lists of basic topics, Wikipedia:WikiProject Lists of topics, Wikipedia:WikiProject Glossaries, Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals and Wikipedia:WikiProject Categories. Please feel free to join in on these activities. RichardF (talk) 12:52, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How are we justifying the goals of this project, given the clear statement at WP:NOT that: Wikipedia is not a dictionary? What are the differences between glossaries and dictionaries? (to me they seem to be the same thing... am I wrong?). Blueboar (talk) 16:47, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Answering at Wikipedia talk:What Wikipedia is not#Glossaries. (Please link to ongoing threads when they are relevant. I only found that by accident!) -- Quiddity (talk) 19:16, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

From Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a dictionary#Wikipedia is not a usage guide "Some articles are encyclopedic glossaries...". Also see Wikipedia:Lists#Types of lists. Bubba73 (talk), 02:32, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please add anything relevant. -- Quiddity (talk) 21:55, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Important RfC: [[Wikipedia talk:Wikipedia is not a dictionary/Archive 14# Glossaries (September 2012)
• Wikipedia talk:Wikipedia is not a dictionary/Archive 12#Status RfC, in passing (July 2011)
• Wikipedia talk:Wikipedia is not a dictionary/Archive 6#Policies/guidelines (October 2009)
• Wikipedia talk:Wikipedia is not a dictionary/Archive 6#Policy (April 2009)
• Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)/Archive 57#Glossary articles and WP:NOT (Nov 2008)
• Wikipedia talk:What Wikipedia is not/Archive 22#Glossaries (Nov 2008)
• Wikipedia talk:What Wikipedia is not/Archive 15#Wikipedia is not a dictionary (again) (Oct 2007)
• Wikipedia talk:Wikipedia is not a dictionary/Archive 3#Glossaries! (May 2007)
• Wikipedia talk:What Wikipedia is not/Archive 8#What glossaries are (NOT) (Nov 2006)
• Wikipedia talk:What Wikipedia is not/Archive 7#Glossaries (Oct 2006)
• Portal talk:Contents/List of glossaries#Mass deletion/move of glossaries to Wiktionary? (Oct 2006)
• Category talk:Glossaries#Copy to Wictionary? (Oct 2006)
• Wikipedia talk:What Wikipedia is not/Candidate lists to be migrated to Wiktionary (Aug 2006)
• Wikipedia talk:What Wikipedia is not/Archive 6#Slang glossaries (Aug 2006)
• Talk:List of Latin phrases/Archive 1#Move to Wiktionary (Jul 2005)
• [[Wikipedia talk:Wikipedia is not a dictionary/Archive 1]#Discussion] (and its first several untitled, hr-divided subsections) (March 2004)

Updated with some entries by me.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  14:49, 23 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

In the old 2006 threads, we discussed the notion that "glossaries" and "word lists" were separate entities, and that "word lists" were suitable for transfer to Wiktionary:Appendices.

See Wikipedia talk:What Wikipedia is not/Archive 7#arbitrary section break inserted to aid editing 2 in particular, where I said something like: topic/field specific glossaries, such as Architectural glossary, Glossary of dance moves, Glossary of ballet, Musical terminology, and Glossary of poetry terms, belong at Wikipedia. But, word lists, such as Glossary of sexual slurs and List of online-gaming slang and List of Chicano Caló words and expressions and Australian rhyming slang should be moved to Wiktionary...

(not just get deleted, as was the fate of the former list of words ending in -logy when it was recently split into List of sciences ending in -logy and List of non-sciences ending in -logy (worth a deletion review to get it properly moved across, maybe? I have no time).

Discuss. ;) -- Quiddity (talk) 22:42, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please see Talk:Chinook_Jargon#re_.7B.7Btl.7CWikiProject_Glossaries.7D.7D and in general other discussions on that page on the word list the article contains.Skookum1 (talk) 18:40, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I am thinking of proposing all the subpages at Category:Library of Congress Classification for deletion, as they are not encyclopedia articles, they simply repeat the classification. Wikisource has all this information:[1] as does the Library of Congress:[2]. Fences&Windows 00:55, 6 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

But they link to the relevant wikipedia articles (for example, navigate down to Georgia and you'll get a link to the country or the US state depending on which category you are in). Isn't that the point? That makes at least as much sense to me as trying to invent our own classification (see Portal:Contents/Outline of knowledge) Kingdon (talk) 02:12, 8 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

But this means they're not articles about the classification, they are a mirror of the classification. Wikipedia doesn't really need all its articles categorised in yet another way, surely? If someone wants to do that, they'd be better off as a Portal. Fences&Windows 00:46, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A fellow editor has been busy working on the creation of numerous articles about the many types of (steam) boiler that have been designed. These have a great number of technical terms for describing common features in a succinct form. In any article, such terms need explaining, and most would not support a stand-alone article (hence links to a collection would be better). At my suggestion he created Glossary of boiler terminology and started populating it. That was yesterday, and before the day was out, another (experienced) editor had renamed it as 'Boiler terminology' (because "this is an encyclopedia" (sic)) and labelled it with {{cleanup}}.

So, can I move it back to "Glossary of..." with any hope of not being challenged?

How far has the project got with getting WP to accept that glossaries are allowed? (Bearing in mind they are still not mentioned as an exception on WP:NOT, and the link from 'types of lists' goes to your ' draft proposal' page.)

I am wanting to create a similar Glossary of steam engine terminology, for the same reasons, but want to be certain that I can count on the support of the project in doing so!

EdJogg (talk) 09:54, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The main portal for these articles, Portal:Contents/List of glossaries, is one link away from the sidebar/mainpage, and has been for a few years. However some editors have a [narrow?] interpretation of what Wikipedia should contain, and try to enforce that, so you can probably expect some discussion. But pointing out the history should be sufficient to bring them up to speed. -- Quiddity (talk) 18:20, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. The Experienced Editor has now, I think, had a change of mind. This was probably as a result of me adding your project banner to the talk page, and my Fellow Editor reverting the page move!

Good luck with getting the proposal ratified, as this should make all our lives easier!

EdJogg (talk) 23:06, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Are any of the Glossaries a featured list? Would like to consider getting Glossary of chess as a FL but at this stage would like to see some other FL quality glossaries to see what standard is required. SunCreator (talk) 22:56, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Members of this WikiProject are invited to comment at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Spanish words of Italic origin. I have jointly nominated both that page and List of Spanish words of African origin. Neither page seems to satisfy the definition of "glossary" at WP:LIST. Cnilep (talk) 17:38, 3 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The word "aficionado" seems to be missing from the list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.75.171.121 (talk) 18:15, 19 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I was wondering if some people could copy over all the glossaries to wiktionary that haven't previously been copied, or copy over newer versions, if their companion version on wiktionary is out of date. 70.29.210.242 (talk) 12:56, 24 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

See wikt:Category:Glossaries.

Eventually, all glossaries should be migrated from Wikipedia to Wiktionary where they properly belong. The fact that some glossaries remain actively developed here at Wikipedia is an unfortunate duplication of effort and probably just due to lack of awareness that Wiktionary compiles glossaries. --dab (𒁳) 12:01, 6 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Glossaries at Wiktionary, are good for browsing/researching the etymology, concise meaning, pronunciation, etc, of those specific words.

Glossaries at Wikipedia, are good for browsing/researching article topics in depth.

At Wikipedia, they are part of the forest of navigational pages, which is comprised of the closely-related tree clumps: Portals, Categories, Books, Topic Lists, Lists of lists, Indexes, Outlines, Timelines, and Glossaries.

Compare the usability of browsing via Glossary of architecture with that of wikt:Appendix:Glossary of architecture. They're not equivalent.

This is one of the rare instances where it makes some sense to create, what might otherwise be seen as, duplicate work.

HTH. -- Quiddity (talk) 23:39, 6 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have proposed renaming Mathematical jargon to the glossary format. Please see the discussion on the talk page. Verbal chat 10:12, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have nominated List of English words containing Q not followed by U for featured list removal here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured list criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks; editors may declare to "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Otters want attention)} 22:45, 9 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This needs some attention - it's a list of words, very few of them defined, none of them linked to appropriate WP articles. Doesn't look very useful. PamD (talk) 22:31, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Please see: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of English words of Italian origin. Although the article links to this project I don't think it's really a glossary since it is based on the origin of the words rather than on their meanings. Borock (talk) 19:15, 9 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I created List of foods and drinks named after places. I later saw that three sections of List of words derived from toponyms overlapped with it. I think the independent article is worthwhile, but if editors prefer to merge, so be it. -- JohnWBarber (talk) 21:05, 30 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

There's a proposal to adjust one of the main section titles used in "Wikipedia's contents", which will also affect the order in which the section titles are presented. See Portal talk:Contents#Proposal for main section title adjustment. The Transhumanist 02:36, 18 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Project!

I came across a glossary called Glossary of military modeling and simulation. It is quite painful to look at and it doesn't seem to come close to your current version of WP:MOSGLOSS (although I realize you all are currently working on it). Could one of the members take a look at it and see if it does fall into the scope of the WP:WPGLOSS project? Thanks! ChadH (talk) 17:58, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It's within scope, and yes, it's a mess. It's done up in 1995-style table markup.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  14:52, 23 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Five years later, this is still a mess. power~enwiki (π, ν) 19:22, 18 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The acceptability of glosaries as stand-alone lists is the subject of a current RfC at Wikipedia talk:Wikipedia is not a dictionary#Glossaries. G. C. Hood (talk) 23:50, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

An AfD debate for this glossary is in progress at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Glossary of terms in the Jean le Flambeur series. Readers here may wish to comment. The discussion is likely to close soon -- the AfD was initiated 23 February 2013. --Pete Tillman (talk) 19:57, 6 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The List of Romanian words of possible Dacian origin article has been proposed for deletion. It is similar to the articles under Category:Lists of English words, particularly List of English words from indigenous languages of the Americas and Category:Lists of English words of Celtic origin, and could act as a precedent. Your opinions are welcomed.--Codrin.B (talk) 14:48, 17 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Codrinb, how could the deletion of this article serve as precedent for deleting the other lists? The title of those lists does not contain weasel word and those lists are based on peer-reviewed reliable sources. Borsoka (talk) 16:05, 17 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Can't find any guideline on a definitive method to alphabetize glossary entries (I suppose the same Q applies to Lists as well, but my interest is re glossaries). I did find at WP:Manual of Style/Glossaries that numbers s/ occur before letters and that foreign lang letters are alphabetized by their Latin equivalents. But what about special characters? (Do they affect alphabetization, and if so how?) Here are three examples (the terms are related to chess):

Which s/ occur first?

open tournament

opening

How s/ these three be ordered?

light square

light-square bishop

lightning chess

And s/ lowercase occur before uppercase?

black

Black

(If there isn't any definitive alphabetization method on WP, do I pick my own?! (IMO the method used in Leonard Maltin's Movie Guide is the least confusing -- it ignores any introductory 'a', 'an', or 'the', ignores any special chars at all [including blanks], then alphabetizes the remaining sequence of letters. [But Maltin sorts numbers as if spelled out, and as mentioned I know that isn't done on WP.]) Thanks! Ihardlythinkso (talk) 12:31, 6 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently, there is not such a guideline at this time.

• Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Language/2014 February 12#Rules for alphabetical order
• Wikipedia:Reference desk/Language#Alphabetical order (version of 16:53, 6 March 2014).
• search for alphabetical order in Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives (209 results)
• search for alphabetical order in [[Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Archives]] (149 results) see my comment below. Wbm1058 (talk) 01:09, 29 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I have an interest in this matter, and I have my own preferences, although I hope that I would be able to accept whatever is decided by "consensus". In previous discussions where I was involved, there was little interest expressed by other editors. Perhaps there will be a greater expression of interest after a guideline is established.

—Wavelength (talk) 17:19, 6 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for responding, and for the links. (I need to read them. Meanwhile, it's surprising there's no definitive sort guideline yet. If the issue garners little interest, how will a guideline get to being established?!) Thx again, Ihardlythinkso (talk) 23:40, 6 March 2014 (UTC) p.s. Whatever methodology is chosen, please oh please nothing like what Quest uses for *telephone books*! (Has anyone ever figured out that methodology?! Completely unusable. I wonder how people ever find anything, especially those whose first lang isn't English!?)[reply]

I need to look into this too, but have other stuff on my plate. Please ping me about it at some point (a week?)  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  14:28, 23 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

[[Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Archives]] redirects to [[Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Japan-related articles/Archives]] as the former was created in error. Therefore I'm not sure the link above is useful and therefore I nowiki-ed it to remove this page from "what-links-here". Wbm1058 (talk) 01:09, 29 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Just a heads up about an AfD. It's a glossary but wasn't tagged with this wikiproject's banner when nominated.

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Draft:Fashion Glossary is in the WP:AfC queue for review. I'm not familiar with our treatment of glossaries, so I'm requesting somebody who knows more about them review this draft. Thanks. -- RoySmith (talk) 16:45, 12 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@RoySmith: They're certainly not exempt from WP:CV [3]. – Joe (talk) 16:58, 12 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The Glossary of ice hockey terms needs conversion to a template structure...I'm a bit lost, though, on how to do that. If there is a simple way that I'm just missing could someone let me know? Many thanks...Primergrey (talk) 20:54, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The glossary looks fine the way it is. Nice and simple, and easy to edit. No need to make the format more complicated.    — The Transhumanist   07:23, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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How does one best deal with multiple alphabetically distinct (not adjacent in order) terms with the same definition?

Do we choose one term to provide the definition and all the rest get an internal glossary link to the defined term?

If so, how do we determine the one term which gets defined? The first alphabetically? The estimated most commonly used?

Alternatively, should they all be listed as multiple terms at one place, with the shared definition following?

A combination, where the definition is preceded by the "primary" term, but lists all the options?, but each optional term is alphabetically listed, with an internal link? If so, where does the listing of the options go? in a hatnote?

A possible solution:

• Each term is listed in alphabetical order
• The "Primary" (first alphabetically, or most commonly used) is followed by a hatnote listing all the other terms with the same meaning, and the definition. eg

  {{term|1=bar}}

  {{term|1=barr|multi=yes}}

  {{defn|1={{ghat|Also: foo (common), foobar (UK), fu, fubar, thingy, and whatsit}}

  [[Metasyntactic variable]] with arbitrary applications.<ref name="Whatever" />}}

• The other options each only have a hatnote glossary internal link to the primary term. I assume this should be in the definition template, eg

  {{term|1=foo}}

  {{defn|1={{ghat|See {{gli|bar}} }} }}

  etc

Rendering:

bar

barr

Also: foo (common), foobar (UK), fu, thingy, and whatsit

Metasyntactic variable with arbitrary applications.^[1]

foo

foobar

See bar

foon

What it is

fu

See bar

gizmo

Undefined device

ni

expletive

thingy

See bar

vorp

Sound effect

whatsit

See bar

etc.

Are there any obvious reasons why this would be a problem, or better solutions? Cheers · · · Peter Southwood ^(talk): 09:21, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Seems to work OK in practice so far. · · · Peter Southwood ^(talk): 12:22, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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