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September 21

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on September 21, 2024.

Southern Arena Stadium

alternate name not mentioned in target article -1ctinus📝🗨 23:55, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete - this appears to be a totally different stadium also in Bo, Sierra Leone. "Southern Arena Stadium" opened last year according to what I can find ([1], [2], no idea how reliable these sources are). I suppose it's possible that the new stadium was actually a rebuild of the older one but I'm not sure. A7V2 (talk) 05:34, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Order of vanishing

I feel like there should be some consistency in these redirects, and it's not immediately obvious to me how. 1234qwer1234qwer4 16:18, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They could all go to Multiplicity (mathematics)#Multiplicity of a root of a polynomial, with the addition of a sentence or so to cover order of vanishing. Charles Matthews (talk) 18:02, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
BTW, Simple pole and Order of a pole (the latter created recently by me) also point at Zeros and poles; not sure if the multiplicity article would be more relevant here as well. 1234qwer1234qwer4 19:02, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I cannot comment on all of the items above. I agree for one item: Repeated root → Multiplicity (mathematics)#Multiplicity of a root of a polynomial. Taweetham (talk) 23:55, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 17:48, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: We should get more opinions on such a large, bundled nomination.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 18:29, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thailand Under-19 cricket team

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 05:09, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No mention at target. Cremastra (talk) 16:49, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 18:28, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

Housing s at Saint Joseph's University

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 05:10, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Created in error; this was the page title for less than a minute. 1234qwer1234qwer4 16:45, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 18:28, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

Burglary (history)

Delete an orphaned redirect with the title of an unlikely search term. Cyber the tiger (talk) 18:26, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Death of Maumoon Abdul Gayoom

I am unable to find news about the guy's death. WP:TOOSOON, in my opinion. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 18:24, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

FC Djursholm

Better with redlink. Weird redirect. Jonteemil (talk) 18:21, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Starmergeddon

Term no longer present in target article. A sentence about it (Former prime minister Boris Johnson campaigned for the Conservatives and warned against giving Starmer a large majority (which he referred to as "Starmergeddon", a term he also used in the Daily Mail).) was added by the redirect creator when they created this redirect on 3 July; that sentence was trimmed down to remove the word an hour later. The redirect creator has also since been blocked for block evasion. Belbury (talk) 17:15, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tropical Depression Crising (2021)

I noticed that 03W and Crising are same redirects. However, Crising is only Philippine name from PAG-ASA, it seems that the redirect article "Tropical Depression Crising (2021)" should be delete as no longer cheap redirects, altough they are same designation but different classification from PAG-ASA and JTWC. So, only "03W (2021)" will retain for main redirect page. Icarus58 (talk) 15:39, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Natoinal Kick a Ginger Day

This should have the same outcome as #Natoinal kick a ginger day. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:20, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Far-right riots

Wayyyy too vague for a redirect. There have been many far-right riots in history, such as the one in Charlottesville in 2017. Delete. -1ctinus📝🗨 20:06, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Cremastra (talk) 13:41, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Opinion is divided between Delete, Disambiguate and Retarget but there is no agreed upon new target article.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 08:12, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ǎs

I don't have any idea why this redirects here; the Latin "as" has no diacritic. asilvering (talk) 07:58, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's sort of an easier to typeset version of a breve. Sometimes a with caron is easier to type than with breve and may be used in place of it. Self-described Sophist (talk) 03:08, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Latin doesn't use breves or carons, and it would be difficult for anyone to search with one even if it were plausible that someone might want to—which it's not. P Aculeius (talk) 14:41, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I agree it's unlikely anyone would want to search for this topic with a breve or caron, but if they did then doing so is not necessarily difficult - for example anyone using a compose key with the default linux sequences can produce Ǎ with the sequence ComposecA and Ă with ComposebA. Thryduulf (talk) 18:22, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    But what percentage of readers know how to do that? It's not even a universal command. In some operating systems, there's no shortcut for inserting a caron or a breve, unless you create one. But as far as I know, the only place you'll ever find 'as' with a breve is in a Latin grammar or dictionary; only student texts and dictionaries will use macrons or breves, and most of them use only macrons. I've never seen carons used in place of breves, since they're equally hard to type. P Aculeius (talk) 20:18, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It doesn't matter what proportion of readers know how to do this, what matters is that some do (for example speakers of languages that include these characters will be familiar with how to enter them). They can also be copied and pasted, or links followed from elsewhere. This just means that titles with diacritics are not implausible by virtue of having diacritics - this title is implausible because there is no connection with the subject but e.g. Pască with the same diacritic is plausible. Thryduulf (talk) 01:46, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Event Pokemon

uh... retarget to gameplay of pokémon#distributions? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:48, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Notified of this discussion at the proposed target.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 07:56, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

San Francisco Bay Intl

I know this is kind of silly but with the name change should this redirect point to San Francisco Bay Oakland International Airport or San Francisco International Airport? Dr vulpes (Talk) 02:29, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If it's ambiguöus then shouldn't it probably be set to point to a disambiguation page? Self-described Sophist (talk) 03:10, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Case insensitiv

Implausible/trivial (WP:UNNATURAL) last letter omissions; sensitiv or insensitiv do not exist, so a search for "insensitiv" will currently only show one of these redirects as the single result rather than applying an automated correction and displaying all relevant content. 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:59, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unimproved

Unimproved road redirects to Dirt road. That said, there are other topics like Unimproved water source or Unimproved sanitation using this word. 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:33, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Anthony Walsh (weed)

As noted at Special:PermanentLink/1246780142#Redirects gone amok, these are implausible redirects and not the kind of disambiguations a reader would reasonably expect for a Wikipedia article. 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:25, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Street Gangs

Extremely ambiguous. Roasted (talk) 01:17, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Smooth variety

These should be consistent. 1234qwer1234qwer4 02:29, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • I think both should redirect to "smooth scheme" since that article discusses the topic in more depth with more examples. —- Taku (talk) 04:16, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep both for the moment. Not all readers interested in algebraic geometry are specialists of scheme theory. So, per WP:ASTONISH, the subject must be linked to an article where it is explained in classical terms, and, nevertheless, readers interested in schemes must find an article convenient for them. I wrote "for the moment" because the subject is very poorly described in Wikipedia, and the redirect problem can be correctly resolved only if the articles would be well rewritten.
    An example of the poor content of both articles is the fact that none of the articles is clearly linked to Regular ring and none states the fundmental fact that an affine algebraic variety is smooth if and only if its ring of regular functions is regular, or, more generally, that the spectrum of a Noetherian ring is smooth if and only if the ring is regular. D.Lazard (talk) 08:42, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I agree the topic is poorly covered. Since "smooth variety" is essentially a shortening of "smooth algebraic variety", I suggest that both should probably point at Singular point of an algebraic variety. I've added a sentence to the lead of that article that refers the reader to the more general concept. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:40, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 01:00, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Darklighter

Has some contention over the target of this redirect - whether to redirect to the fictional concept in Charmed (TV series) or one of the Star Wars characters (Biggs Darklighter or apparently his actor). I just moved some history to Darklighter (Charmed) which has some links. No strong opinion on final outcome. Izno (talk) 17:37, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 00:52, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Natoinal kick a ginger day

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 05:11, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Implausible typo. No incoming links. One view in 3 months according to pageviewws. Reconrabbit 18:36, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak keep per WP:CHEAP. Cremastra (talk) 23:26, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment adjacent character transpositions are a very likely form of typo. The target mentions "National Kick a Ginger Day" and the redirects National Kick a Ginger Day and national kick a ginger day exist -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 23:20, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per WP:COSTLY. Regardless if the correct spelling of "national" makes this phrase a likely search term, typing one word wrong then typing 4 other words correctly is incredibly unlikely. Steel1943 (talk) 23:29, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. "National" is not a hard word to spell. It speaks volumes that this is the only use of "natoinal" on Wikipedia, redirects included, for the thousands of pages that have the word "national" in its name. Otherwise not useful or likely, definitely not pleasant. The creator is since blocked. We can have some dignity with what we maintain here. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:19, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - Looks like a demonstrably plausible typo to me. Stats show 10 hits this past year... which is only slightly less than the number of hits to the no-caps but otherwise no-typo National kick a ginger day (12 hits), and ironically even more than the 9 hits this year for the properly capitalized National Kick a Ginger Day. As a specific reply to Steel1943 above, we typically consider a single typo more likely than multiple typos. Saying "typing one word wrong then typing 4 other words correctly is incredibly unlikely" is diametrically opposite to how we usually do things around here... would you have !voted to keep "natoinal kikc a gigner dya", with a transposition typo in every word? I don't think you would have, and I certainly wouldn't either... more typos are LESS likely than single typos. Fieari (talk) 01:35, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sure Steel agrees that redirects with single typos are more likely than those with multiple typos. Separate from that though, we need to think about the benefit of "typo" redirects as a whole. As a community, we've been missing mark here, fmpov. Not every typo needs a redirect. Just because there's a de facto benchmark indicating "2+ errors is implausible", doesn't make every title with 1 error realistic. That's still HUNDREDS of "one-error" typos per title, between character transpositions, to swapping a "l" with a "k" and every neighboring letter forever, etc.
Perhaps counter-intuitively, the longer the search term, the less likely it would benefit from any given typo redirect. We see these a lot actually, one example being Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 October 13#Dream haorders. There was no mention of a "haorder" typo anywhere on Wikipedia, despite Hoarder existing, and a plethora of other mentions of "hoard" and "hoarding", yet none with this transformed spelling. There's really just one way to misspell "Hoard", and that's "Haord" (or Hord, I suppose, but that's a different page). But for "Hoard", there's only like 3 possible letter swaps one could make in a short subject. It's a small and acceptable price to pay, = EZ maintenance.
However, if someone were to create equivalent typo redirects for, say, Hoard of the Dragon Queen, i.e. Haord of the Dragon Queen, Horad of the Dragon Queen, Hoard of the Dargon Queen, well, this is a massive technical debt. Especially when zero of these words are "difficult words to spell" anyway. We can't and shouldn't be maintaining any dreamable transmogrification of a full set of words in an already long title... and then do the same thing for 7 million pages in article space.
The "2+ typos rule" is quite good for immediate problem detection, but it's not the whole story. I've (personally) !kept titles with more than 2 typos, and !deleted ones with less. It's about expected usefulness-impact and precedent. Euphemism is a difficult word. Euphinism swaps the e for an i, and the m for an n, yet I honestly wouldn't bat an eye at either used in a sentence. Maybe good redirect? Positive value, probs. But if we're dealing with something like Griffin Science-Fantasy Bokolet Number One... like... no reasonable person would ever type everything verbatim, swap in "bokolet" instead of "booklet", and then finish the term. If such a title is considered reasonable, get ready to add Bokolet redirects for the thousands of pages that contain "booklet"; it's not value, in fact it's closer to negative value due to the precedent. Especially so that "Bokolet" or Bokoworm or Bokobinding haven't ever, and never will exist, and it's even less likely in a long title assuming everything else is correct. And even these are reminiscent of when we saw the set of Mnecraft titles get deleted @ Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 24#Inecraft and etc., the creator disrupting NPP to prove a point after Minecrat got deleted here: Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 February 12#Minecrat. One error does not = good typo, even if it's a letter-drop or letter-swap.
"National kick a ginger day" has zero affinity towards being spelled as "natoinal", and definitely less than every other page that uses the word "national" and never fathomed to have a "natoinal" variant. So people who type "Natoinal", click the tab key, will be greeted with a page about kicking gingers, even though they only typed 8 letters and none of them had anything to do with red hair. Nothing for Natoinal, Natoin, Ratoinal, Ratoin, Elatoin, etc. In fact I don't think there's a single page on Wikipedia that misspells a "tion" ending as "toin". (Testing: Per this quarry: [3], there are zero pages on Wikipedia which misspell a word containing "tion", as "toin". Just the "Natoinal Gingers" set on page 2.) Anyway this was more than I expected to type lol. Utopes (talk / cont) 21:57, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 00:51, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as implausible, per Utopes. 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:29, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To elaborate, entering "natoinal" in the search box will currently show this redirect, along with Natoinal Kick a Ginger Day, which for some reason had not been nominated thus far, as the only search results, instead of applying the automatic corrections of MediaWiki's search engine. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:19, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

Phronima atlantica

It is inappropriate to have a species name as a redirect to higher ones such as a genus. It creates the impression that a page exists and makes it impossible to use template:species list as it will create a circular redirect back to the genus page. There is no history to be preserved in this redirect so it should be a redlink until such time as an editor decides to create a page for the species. 🌿MtBotany (talk) 00:45, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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