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Current/recent consensuses: Title of article - Use year 2017 and Las Vegas (and not Strip) in title, as per WP:COMMONNAME [1]. Technically the shooting happened in Paradise, Nevada, location of the Las Vegas Strip, but "Paradise" should be referred to only minimally. Keep using "shooting" instead of "massacre" unless consensus changes; do not call the event "terrorism" at this point. Separate article about Stephen Paddock was created, and survived articles for deletion. Content specific to the shooter may belong there. There is no consensus for the inclusion of a list of victims, per this RfC.

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I would like to make a request for somebody to do something about Source #5 (Duke Center for Firearms Law). Nowhere in the source does it say that the Supreme Court declined to hear the case regarding constitutionality of the bump stock ban. 100.7.44.80 (talk) 01:07, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Lightoil (talk) 01:22, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There are three options. 1) The source is replaced with a different source. 2) The source and its surrounding text is removed entirely. 3) The surrounding text is revised to match what the source says. 100.7.44.80 (talk) 01:42, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Tollens (talk) 02:23, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I propose merging Stephen Paddock into 2017 Las Vegas shooting. I think that Stephen Paddock is not notable without the 2017 Las Vegas shooting; and, therefore, the content in his article can be merged into its own section within this article. While the Stephen Paddock article is well-written and even received a B classification, much of the content is unrelated to what makes him arguably notable and thus I think can be condensed into a section instead of its own article.Geeky Randy (talk) 23:21, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge – Paddock is not notable outside of the 2017 Las Vegas shooting and therefore the content of his article can be condensed and contained within this one.Geeky Randy (talk) 23:25, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Geeky Randy, Please see WP:PROM#How to propose a merger. You need to add the template to the two article pages per item 2, and will need uninvolved editor assistance per item 3 given that Paddock is B class. There should also not be different proposal sections at each page -- there should be a single discussion section (the template will link there from each article), so you should strike one of your proposals and !votes and just provide a reference to the other section.

Also, given the no consensus results at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Stephen Paddock and the more recent Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Gypsy-Rose Blanchard, and that Paddock is more difficult to merge into this article without overwhelming it, I suspect that this merge proposal would be unlikely to succeed. ^~Hydronium^~Hydroxide^~(Talk)~ 11:56, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, Hydronium~Hydroxide! Since this is a proposed merge instead of proposed delete, I'm going to give this a try. I appreciate your help. Geeky Randy (talk) 13:08, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Request received to merge articles: Stephen Paddock into 2017 Las Vegas shooting; dated: January 2024. Proposer's Rationale: I think that Stephen Paddock is not notable without the 2017 Las Vegas shooting; and, therefore, the content in his article can be merged into its own section within this article. While the Stephen Paddock article is well-written and even received a B classification, much of the content is unrelated to what makes him arguably notable and thus I think can be condensed into a section instead of its own article. Discuss here. Geeky Randy (talk) 13:20, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge – Paddock is not notable outside of the 2017 Las Vegas shooting and therefore the content of his article can be condensed and contained within this one.Geeky Randy (talk) 13:21, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Paddock's case is one of the most bizarre in the history of crime and deserves an article solely due to the sheer lack of a motivation investigators have been able to find. The fact that we know so little of why he did it makes him notable and distinct from other mass shooters. It's also a pretty good article as is. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 02:40, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose – Where do we draw the line? Should Timothy McVeigh article be deleted because he is not notable outside the Oklahoma City bombing? What about all the 9/11 hijackers – each one has their own page – Do we delete them to because they aren't notable outside 9/11? Omar Mateen page exists as does Nikolas Cruz outside their related crime/massacre: Orlando nightclub shooting and Parkland high school shooting. Many other examples as well. Sadly, Paddock is notable in his own right because of the massacre. Inexpiable (talk) 14:11, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Where's the line drawn now? There are also plenty of massacres where the perpetrator doesn't get their own article. Is it based on word count or some sort of other criteria… or is it currently subjective and we aim to keep it that way? Geeky Randy (talk) 21:23, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]