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Why did you close that RfC although you are involved in that discussion?--SharʿabSalam▼ (talk) 22:33, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Vanamonde93, thank you for closing the RfC, in an intelligent, cogent and comprehensive manner. Your uninvolved status as an admin is without reproach, as far as I'm concerned. You have my full support and thanks. El_C 22:35, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

El C, thanks, much appreciated. SharabSalam: I have participated in that discussion in an administrative capacity, giving general advice about policy, but not taking a specific position on the content. Please read through WP:INVOLVED very carefully, and if you still think something I did was inappropriate, please raise it with me here, or at the administrator noticeboard, if you feel it to be necessary. Vanamonde (Talk) 23:07, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I just wanted to mention how the Wiki page about coronavirus in Iran has been hijacked by a group of Iranian users (or multiple alternate accounts of the same user, it is quite possible) attempting to censor the misgivings about Iran's obviously fake numbers on the coronavirus epidemic there. The lead sections, for instance, contains a line referring to a 2 March WHO statement claiming that there was nothing wrong with Iran's numbers, which is outdated and contradicted by more recent WHO statements that claim that actual numbers are likely five times higher. Attempts at updating this, deleting that outdated and incorrect claims, have been sistematically reverted by these users, that have also deleted several lines and links referring to outside sources that estimate a far heavier toll in Iran. Iran claims to have far less cases than Italy, Spain, Germany, France, and the USA, and less deaths than Italy, Spain, and France (soon enough the USA as well), despite the outbreak in Iran starting at the same time as Italy and much earlier than in the other countries, and Iran not implementing a national lockdown unlike them (on the contrary, Iran early on denied the outbreak and held elections anyway). So, a few days ago I reported these users (one of which is User:Saff V. who has already been blocked for vandalism and non-neutral edit warring on Iran-related wiki pages; another is User talk:Pahlevun, also responsible for this kind of behaviour) for edit warring on the Administrators' page, and? I got blocked immediately, without even a discussion! --Pesqara (talk) 17:25, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Pesqara: You were blocked by a checkuser for editing logged out. If you think that was unfair for whatever reason, there's no point in telling me that; I'm not a checkuser, and cannot help you. If you are concerned with the neutrality of the article, please update the article using reliable sources, and if you are reverted, post on the talk page of the article, with the sources that you have. I am seeing all of one post from you on that page, and it was a complaint without any sources supporting it. I am monitoring that talk page, and will take any necessary action. Vanamonde (Talk) 17:35, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, the article talk page is the place to address these concerns. I'll try to keep an eye, also. El_C 17:48, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Repeatedly and irrelevantly pointing out policies and guidelines, killing the users' time by lengthy, groundless discussions on talk pages and pushing them beyond their limits, blocking the normal flow of information. Looking for diffs? Just go for any random edit. Those running such "genuinely independent online media outlets" [1], [2] won't simply forget little old wiki. MS 会話 18:09, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Ms96: I cannot make head or tail of your post. Whose supposed misbehavior are you talking about here? Pesqara, Pahlevun, Saff V., El C, myself, or someone else? Vanamonde (Talk) 18:56, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Harrias ^talk 06:53, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Vanamonde93. Hope you are safe and healthy This is about an edit you reversed. Please see here en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_India&diff=prev&oldid=948177323&diffmode=visual. I would like to emphasise that it can not be categorised a silly as the section and sub-section header is Government Responses and Communication. Having those headings, the heading Prime Minister Modi indicates that it is a response from the prime minister. I have not done without checking other articles. This is for your reference 2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_the_United_States#Communication. I would like to emphasise that the phrase Response from the is redundant as the section and sub-section header already says that. Please be rest assured that I would not revert the edit as I am not here for WP:EW. Also, I request you to create a discussion in the talk page as there are other editors who have been contributing from the start of creation of the article who want to participate in the discussion and share their thoughts. Thank you for understanding and 'As always, please stay safe and healthy. Let's fight COVID-19'. SaiP (talk) 20:44, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@SaiP: I called it "silly" because the subsequent sections also document things in which Modi was involved. As such it's a meaningless distinction. The other subsection titles cover topics of communication; the first is general; it needs no title. The reason a separate section exists in the US article is that there's a fair number of sources commenting on the administration's response as distinct from Trump's own response. As far as I have seen, there's no evidence of such in the Indian case; sources treat the government's response as a coherent whole. As such, a "Prime Minister Modi" section would make sense under communication if, and only if, the other subsections were about communications from other sources. Vanamonde (Talk) 22:00, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Dear fellow editor. The world is struggling to stay safe from the harms of a some tens of nano-meters sized virus. I wish you and your dear ones full safety from the dangers of this unilateral love! Regards. --Mhhossein ^talk 08:22, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, and the same to you. Vanamonde (Talk) 15:16, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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--valereee (talk) 00:01, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Vanamonde, Mhhossein has been removing information that points to Ruhollah Khomeini and Qasem Soleimani having a personality cult. On the other hand, has been trying to add multiple cult/cult personality quotes into the People's Mojahedin of Iran article; something that's already covered and repeated throughout the article. After a week of not answering to the article's Talk pages, Mhhossein's argument is that he removed that information from those articles because "cult personality" is a "perjorative" term backed by questionable sources. In the Ruhollah Khomeini article, for example, the sources backing up this statement included the following: ^[1], ^[2], ^[3], ^[4],^[5], ^[6], ^[7],^[8]. Stefka Bulgaria (talk) 14:24, 15 April 2020 (UTC) [reply]

Please present your sources on the talk pages of those articles, and let's see what Mhhossein has to say about them. Embedded quotes will be helpful. Vanamonde (Talk) 15:12, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

[3]. --Mhhossein ^talk 11:49, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Mhhossein: I don't understand what point you are making; your diff shows Stefka removing an unnecessary signature. Vanamonde (Talk) 16:28, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I am seeing a synthetic signature. --Mhhossein ^talk 12:45, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Mhhossein: Please explain in more detail. Vanamonde (Talk) 14:55, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Vanamonde, after consulting with you, I went ahead with the consensus on the MEK page. However, SharabSalam reverted saying "Sorry, no consesus for this merge and those sources are needed". SharabSalam also rejected the sources provided on the Qasem Soleimani talk page. Stefka Bulgaria (talk) 17:30, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Consensus is subject to change, Stefka Bulgaria. If more users join a dispute and disagree with your proposed edits, that's just the way of things sometimes. Particularly on Qasem Soleimani, where the dispute really is about the relative prominence of views in sources. Start an RfC, or take this to DRN. Vanamonde (Talk) 17:38, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Stefka Bulgaria, First of all you need consensus for that disruptive merge. Merging two different subjects together is absolutely unacceptable.

"SharabSalam's also rejected the sources provided on the Qasem Soleimani talk page"

• This proves that you are making a WP:Pointy argument, you even went to Trump's article and said you want to add cult to it. You are comparing apples with oranges here. The MEK's cultish terror behavior is described and discussed in detail in multiple high-quality sources. It's not passing mentions in media outlets.--SharʿabSalam▼ (talk) 17:38, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]