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Thanks @Number 57: for clarifying that an absolute majority of registered voters, and not only of valid votes, is required for a candidate to win in the first round. The turnout quorum of the second round, however, has contradicting sources. The one linked clearly state it is 40 %, yet when checking it up it seem article 81 of the constitution state "The second round takes place within 14 days of the termination of voting in the first round. A candidate is elected President if he/she wins a majority of the votes of those who voted, provided more than half of the registered voters voted.". Either the source is wrong, or the constitution at Wipo is outdated. And I can't seem to find info clearing it up. --Aréat (talk) 11:32, 22 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Aréat: I guess we should go with the constitution (the 50% figure is on the version on the parliament website. I'll update the article. Number 57 12:59, 22 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Aréat: An update on this – the constitution was updated to reduce it to 40%. Bizarrely rather than change the wording of the relevant article, they just tack it on the end as an amendment (XXXI in this case). Number 57 11:19, 27 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Nice find, that explain it all. It was passed on 9 January 2009 by 86 deputies (the rest being absent) [1]. --Aréat (talk) 13:14, 27 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Using the term "North Macedonian" will be considered as an act of vandalism as it is contrary to the constitution of North Macedonia and the Prespa agreement. In accordance to the Prespa agreement the adjective 'Macedonian' can still be used. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anti political shills (talk • contribs) 08:36, 29 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Anti political shills: on Wikipedia, vandalism has a very specific meaning referring to intentionally disruptive edits, so be careful of how you use the term. Wikipedia is also not bound by the Prespa Agreement or the constitution of North Macedonia. There is a recently-closed discussion relating to the matter at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Macedonia)/2019 RFC, and a rationale outlining the consensus reached is imminent. Best keep it at the current title until the rationale is posted. – Teratix ₵ 09:09, 29 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest following the results from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(Macedonia)/2019_RFC which were recently announced. I doubt an election is public "entity", therefore the next best option is to use the basis of nationality which was concluded to be 'Macedonian' without qualifiers. Anti political shills —Preceding undated comment added 10:03, 11 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'm very confused how you can conclude that an election is anything but a state-associated entity. I'm also confused how you can you conclude the adjective regarding nationality was determined to be 'Macedonian' when the statement actually read 'the closing panel finds no consensus to adopt a mandatory rule for how to refer to people from North Macedonia.' – Teratix ₵ 12:22, 11 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

while there was no consensus, it was explicitly stated; "therefore, use of "Macedonian(s)" to refer to people from North Macedonia should not be changed to "North Macedonian(s)" universally. However, the closing panel does find a consensus that "North Macedonian(s)" may be used in particular cases where necessary to avoid ambiguity or confusion; for example, in articles or sections of articles that discuss both Macedonians as a nationality and Macedonians as an ethnicity." An election is tied to nationality and citizenship. I also suggest, If you want to pursue the "North Macedonian" title a footnote or equivalent is required that specifies the term "North Macedonian" is due to the prespa agreement. Anti political shills —Preceding undated comment added 11:25, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

There is no ambiguity here. An election is a state-associated entity. 'North Macedonian' is the term. – Teratix ₵ 12:25, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Now here's a challenge for you. I am on Wikibreak for the next week, so I will not be able to revert any changes you make to the title. However, I will remain an editor who has expressed reasonable opposition to the proposed move. Your challenge is to not unilaterally move the article while I'm away but instead convince other editors on this talk page that the proposed move should be implemented. If none appear, try asking at a more centralised venue such as WikiProject North Macedonia or start a formal request for a move. – Teratix ₵ 12:55, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The current title (which the infobox should match) is appropriate IMO. Number 57 13:10, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The correct implementation of Prespa agreement is necessary, here is two possible correct forms fo the title, first one is 2019 Macedonian presidential elections and the second one is Presidential elections in North Macedonia in 2019, both are correct under the Prespa agreement. BorchePetkovski (talk) 01:27, 14 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is not bound by the Prespa agreement. Number 57 18:43, 14 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Please change this disrespectful title for Macedonian people! The correct form would be Macedonian elections or Elections in North Macedonia, this title North Macedonian is truly disrespectful and against Prespa agreement and frendship between people in the Balkans! This is Wikipedia and the informations here must be correct! BorchePetkovski (talk) 00:32, 20 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

And if wikipedia is not bound with the prespa agreement then from where this uncorrect title was chosen? This is try for using the new name from prespa agreement in uncorrect and disrespectful way!!! Stop with this cultural GENOCIDE of Macedonians! We exist, we was Macedonians, we are Macedonians and we would be Macedonians! BorchePetkovski (talk) 00:38, 20 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Here is the UN terminology and in adjectives is clearly written, Macedonian or of North Macedonia... There is nothing such as North Macedonian... This must be respect! https://unterm.un.org/UNTERM/Display/Record/UNHQ/NA/1c98d616-3b6a-4d15-a7cb-f88c7f988b83 BorchePetkovski (talk) 00:44, 20 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

2019 North Macedonian presidential election is not corectly written, corect form is 2019 Macedonian presidential elections, becouse in North Macedonia are living Macedonians. BorchePetkovski (talk) 23:59, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

See the above discussion and the recent request for comment regarding Macedonian naming conventions, which concluded "North Macedonian" should be used for entities associated with the state. – Teratix ₵ 01:02, 19 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Since the nomination of the candidates, several opinion polls have been conducted. The percentages of the polls below are related to only those voters who declared that they would vote for a certain candidate.

First round

Second round

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Please add the existing opinion polls for the elections (which I already added them on the talk page), because I think it is useful for analysis.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2019_North_Macedonian_presidential_election#Opinion_polls NewForceMK (talk) 03:22, 20 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]