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Currently, this article comes off as pretty confusing for me. It seems to be implying that it was a far-right rally that happened to contain some white nationalists instead of being a white nationalist rally that contained different racialist far-right groups. I don't see why we are shying away from the term "white nationalist rally" when the organizers described it as such themselves. The organizers were unanimously white nationalists, they unanimously described the rally as white nationalist, and they unanimously promoted it as such. If it walks like a duck... talks like a duck... PineForst282929 (talk) 23:35, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

From Far-right politics: "The term is often associated with Nazism, neo-Nazism, fascism, neo-fascism and other ideologies or organizations that feature extreme nationalist, chauvinist, xenophobic, racist or reactionary views." Describing it as far-right actually takes it farther than how you do. The purpose was to unite similar "right-wing" ideologies Liamnotneeson (talk) 05:25, 2 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

There is no proof that all in attendance were white nationalists. The rally was to protest removal of an historical statue, and could likely have included history buffs who heard of the Saturday event second hand. https://www.pnj.com/story/news/2017/08/17/pensacola-man-charlottesville-confederate-uniform/575178001/ (sorry, I forgot how to link)DeknMike (talk) 12:14, 8 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Saying it wasn't a white nationalist rally because one guy showed up and claimed he wasn't a white nationalist is a little like saying the ocean isn't made up of water because there's some plastic floating in it. It's ridiculous on its face. Amsgearing (talk) 22:50, 12 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Adding a neutrality template to the page. -Noto-Ichinose (talk 14:15, 6 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

We're not here to do your homework for you. Be specific, or this will be archived. --Calton | Talk 14:29, 6 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

OP is currently blocked for disruptive ediitng. Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:01, 8 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Only because it came up on the Discord article, I added a section about the Sines v. Kessler federal suit, which was filed in Nov 2017, and only recently has been cleared to go forward. --Masem (t) 16:14, 7 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Change "White Supremacists" to "White Nationalists and Supremacists"

Reason for change: supremacists and nationalists are fundamentally different. ARaman3223 (talk) 03:43, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. They are not fundamentally different according to reliable sources, and that's what Wikipedia goes by. Grayfell (talk) 03:48, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

A lot of editing was done on this page by User:IcierJacks., who has now been banned as a sock of also blocked User:PerfectlyIrrational.

Perhaps someone familiar with the event should check their edits? 220 of ^Borg 02:22, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

As with previous edits from this sock, it's far too messy to warrant an easy cleanup, unfortunately. A large quantity of the information added was badly copied over other articles, which defeats the purpose of having multiple articles. Just looking at the Assault of DeAndre Harris section, we had the same information repeated multiple times in the same section, and some of it was also included elsewhere in the article. I've started to tackle removing some of the repetition, redundancy, tedium, and repetition this sock added to the article. More will be needed, though. Grayfell (talk) 03:12, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I took a look at all their edits on all articles, and reverted those that I could do easily, but, unfortunately, as Grayfell says, too many of their edits will be difficult to remove. I think we (collectively) need to be better at recognizing socks of PerfectlyIrrational, so that their edits can be removed earlier. Beyond My Ken (talk) 04:30, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

See the last edit by me, then reverted by MjolnirPants. I removed Faith Goldy there, I saw her coverage. She mingled among both groups of protesters. Right winged and contra. As a reporter. But I know it is useless, these articles only exists to libel right winged journalists and link Trump to Nazism. Mean goal of Wikipedia these days! Wasn't it once an Encyclopedia? AntonHogervorst (talk) 16:10, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

If you just want to bitch about WP, go write a fucking blog and leave the rest of us alone to actually do the work of writing an encyclopedia, please. Removing a notable neo-nazi talking head from the list of neo-nazis at a neo-nazi rally because she talked or wrote about it after the fact is a bald-faced act of POV pushing in support of neo-nazism. So, sorry, but No: Your argument for exclusion isn't even remotely convincing. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 16:25, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

So.. Other opinions are "bitching" and these people should "**** off" from Wikipedia? That kind of proofs my point now doesn't it? Let us just look at the facts: Fact is that this person did not walk in a rally, she did not carry a banner, she did not stay with one of the particular groups. She was there with a camera and a microphone. She was at the pro and the contra rally. This then does not qualify her as a protester in my opinion. Even if she might share an opinion of one site factually she is not a protester. Are facts still important here? AntonHogervorst (talk) 16:33, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't say she was a protester. It says she was in attendance. How is this not a sourced fact? O3000 (talk) 16:40, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Then at least the paragraph leads the reader to draw the wrong conclusion. She was at the rally, sure. As a reporter. Then you could say she was attending the rally. In the fact that she was present. But as two lines above it says protesters, you let the reader conclude she was actively protesting. Holding a banner, screaming to opponents, throwing things even maybe, you name it. That is not true. I know Claire Gastañaga of Virginia ACLU was also prestent there. Would call her a protester? AntonHogervorst (talk) 17:19, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe change that sentence then, because I read it myself as she was one of the protesters. And that is why I protested! :-) It would make the sentence longer. Something like "Prominent far-right figures in attendance, either as active protester or as a journalist broadcasting the event, .." That would be fine by me and also more accurate. AntonHogervorst (talk) 17:35, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict)So.. Other opinions are "bitching" and these people should "**** off" from Wikipedia?
Not all other opinions, but "these articles only exists to libel right winged journalists and link Trump to Nazism. Mean goal of Wikipedia these days!" certainly is. And if that is your purpose here, then yeah. See WP:NOT. That's not my opinion, that's policy.

That kind of proofs my point now doesn't it?
No. It doesn't "proofs" your point.

Let us just look at the facts: Fact is that this person did not walk in a rally, she did not carry a banner, she did not stay with one of the particular groups. She was there with a camera and a microphone. She was at the pro and the contra rally.^{[citation needed]}

This then does not qualify her as a protester in my opinion.^{[original research?]}

Are facts still important here?
Yes, and I provided you with some relevant ones, above. Observe:

1. Goldy is a neo-nazi.
2. Goldy is notable.
3. Goldy is a commentator (also known as a "talking head"), not a reporter.
4. This rally was a neo-nazi rally.
5. This rally was notable.
6. Goldy attended the rally.
7. A notable person attending a notable event meets our policy requirements for due weight.

So, with those facts in mind: your hyperbolic, ranting argument to exclude mention of her is unconvincing. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 16:45, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Under the header Protesters, the article says "Prominent far-right figures in attendance included ". How do you think that is read? "Oh they attended the protest, but hey, maybe they were not protesters." Nobody reads it like that, and I almost think this in intentional. She attended as a journalist at that time. That is the fact. The paragraph reads as she was there as a protester, which is not factual. Even if she is a neonazi. Also the latter is not as sure as you claim it to be. Join the discussion at: Faith_Goldy_2 Only few sources describe her as neonazi and I personally do not consider them unbiased. AntonHogervorst (talk) 17:00, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

For her role at the protest, you can refer to her coverage of the rally. The Rebel Media. YouTube. Of course you can find some left winged source that also claims she was there as a protester. Something like Right Wing Watch or so? Can you from your side have some genuine proof she was there as a prótester? Apart from the fact that you obviously do not sympathize with her and that she has sympathy with right winged groups. But that does not proof her rol at the protest.AntonHogervorst (talk) 17:09, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Our RS for this statement says: "At Charlottesville, Rebel Media correspondent Faith Goldy praised the white nationalists' statements about "race and the JQ" – using far-right code for the so-called "Jewish question" – and was broadcasting live when her video feed caught a driver deliberately ramming into a crowd of protesters, killing one."

So she showed up there, started actually protesting in addition to broadcasting live, (despite your false claim to the contrary, oh and this is what she was broadcasting: not journalistic coverage, but her heckling counter-protesters right up until the vehicle attack) and you want us to obfuscate a fact in order to falsely imply to the reader that she wasn't even there.

Fuck. That. Noise. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 17:12, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Civility --Mlewan (talk) 06:13, 19 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

No I say that she was not a protester. Actually you proof my point. She was álso broadcasting the counter protest. So she was there as a reporter, not a right wing protester. And I would appreciate if you would mind your language please. AntonHogervorst (talk) 17:22, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

No. You are pushing for us to be dishonest, and you are either being dishonest yourself or incompetent in this discussion. I linked you to a reliable source describing her as participating in the rally, and a fucking video of her participating in the rally, and you claim it "proof" (the word is "prove") the opposite. Furthermore, the actual claim in the article is that she "attended" the rally, which even you acknowledge is true. We're done here. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 17:46, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I know you have a different opinion than I have, but could you stop swearing please! Also I would like to add, indeed English is not my first language. Happy to start a discussion with you in Spanish, German, Dutch or Korean and see who makes the least spelling errors there.AntonHogervorst (talk) 07:54, 18 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oh by the way, seriously, don't hesitate to correct my English! I can only learn from it. I make a note not to make that proof/prove error again! AntonHogervorst (talk) 09:12, 18 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Es wird nicht Ich sein. Y soy Esponal es bueno. Watashi no Nihongo, wa? This isn't a dick-measuring contest, by the way. If you speak a half dozen other languages, congrats. Go work on those projects. If you want to work on an English encyclopedia, you need a competent grasp of English. You also need to be able to read sources and report what they say honestly, and with a great deal of accuracy. So far, your participation at this talk page has consisted of you misusing English and either not reading the sources or not grasping accurately or honestly what they say. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 00:45, 19 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict)Protester has a very broad meaning. There have been several hundred protests in my neighborhood since I moved here. Most people in protests simply mill about without signs or banners. In large marches, most people just walk and chat. A few write about them. That doesn’t mean they aren’t protesters. OTOH, the video only starts after she had clearly upset a counter protester, and she was making snarky comments to counter protesters, until one was killed. She was more active than the average protester. If you want to call her a reporter, I suppose that would fit under Gonzo journalism. But, in that form of journalism, the reporter is a participant, which in this case means that she was a protester. O3000 (talk) 17:47, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

First I would like to thank you that you looked at her broadcastings. I would not agree on your interpretation of the word protester. I do agree she was certainly not neutral on this subject. But you say she 'upset a counter protester'. I could also say counter protesters were being aggressive towards her. Not really uncommon in 'antifa circles'. And a real protester would have been in danger of getting beaten up if approaching the counter protest. As visa versa by the way. So I think we can more or less agree on what happened, though I choose another side to sympathize with. But I would still not write it down like that. The only problem with the clarification I suggested is that the sentence becomes longer, and that might make it less easy readable. AntonHogervorst (talk) 07:54, 18 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Goldy's footage, backed up by reliable sources, makes it clear that she was both participating and broadcasting. These are not mutually exclusive and it's quite common for participants to record or stream events for various reasons. –dlthewave ☎ 18:35, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, if you don't agree with me I accept that. Thank you for listening to my suggestion! AntonHogervorst (talk) 08:55, 18 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]