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Andrew Davidson's oppose

Oppose Seems to be a very pleasant and constructive editor. But, looking at his user page, I notice a userbox indicating that his command of English is only level-3 (advanced), which is less than his command of Gujarati and Hindi. Looking at the "About Me " section on that page, I soon notice incorrect use of prepositions such as "I have also spent some time at the Netherlands" (which should be "in" rather than "at"). This seems inadequate for an admin because many of our disputes are about fine points of the English language and one also needs good English to communicate well and avoid misunderstanding. Andrew D. (talk) 20:28, 8 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Question for Andrew Davidson: If Yash! had not specified that his level of English was level 3, would you still have thought that he was not proficient enough with English? Joshualouie711 (talk) 21:30, 8 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I see you've gone with your usual token oppose here with whatever rationale you could find, but given the 17,000+ edits by the candidate, can you give any examples where their en-3 language skills have actually harmed their ability to communicate or function here as a non-admin? That might give a bit more weight to what you're saying. -- Ajraddatz (talk) 20:44, 8 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I already provided an example of incorrect English. Reading on, I soon found another, "I am very passionate for medical research" (which should be "about" rather than "for"). The infobox scale of language skill has six grades and so level-3 is in the bottom half. I reckon admins should have level-5 (professional) or native command of the language. As the candidate is young and is active here, I suppose his command of English will improve. Andrew D. (talk) 21:01, 8 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Andrew Davidson: You've provided an example of an inaccurate preposition, but not where that interfered with their ability to communicate. If you can find zero instances where their en-3 level has made it more difficult for them to communicate, then surely you can't be suggesting we blatantly discriminate on the basis of their nationality/language origin with no regard to how it affects them on the project ... or are you? If you are, you're voting for systemic bias for bias' sake. ~ Rob₁₃^Talk 21:21, 8 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I make typos more egregious than that example on a regular basis, please feel free to call for a desysop. Sam Walton (talk) 20:48, 8 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Samwalton9's user page indicates that he has level 3 command of Welsh. Is he an admin in that project? Should he be? Andrew D. (talk) 21:01, 8 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I never comment on how others vote, but just to note I also evaluate my level of English as en-3.--Ymblanter (talk) 21:05, 8 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Seconding what Samwalton9 said, and I'm a native speaker of (admittedly Southern American) English. If you go back through almost any long-term editor's history you'll find at least a few grammatical or spelling mistakes. Plus who knows, maybe en-3 is them being humble and they're actually more en-4, which is a fully respectable level of English proficiency. Ks0stm ^{(T•C•G•E)} 21:20, 8 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

We seem to be particularly troubled by a never ending number of spammers who can barely string together a couple of words of English, could you come and shoo these people away too ? Nick (talk) 21:34, 8 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) Just my two cents. I'm confident Yash! will ask for help if they feel they are not competent about the English needed in a dispute. It's all about camaraderie after all, don't you think?--Jetstreamer ^Talk 21:36, 8 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I don't usually involve myself in these discussions, but this is ridiculous. I just have to say that I know some admins who are not very fluent speakers of English either. What do we do with them, desysop them? Yes, please go and shoo some perfectly good editors away because English is clearly the superior language around here, right? English not your first language? Shoo! Come back when you no longer have an accent. —k6ka 🍁 (Talk · Contributions) 21:45, 8 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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 #:We seem to be particularly troubled by a never ending number of spammers who can barely string together a couple of words of English, could you come and shoo these people away too ? [[User:Nick|Nick]] ([[User talk:Nick|talk]]) 21:34, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
 #::{{ec}} Just my two cents. I'm confident Yash! will ask for help if they feel they are not competent about the English needed in a dispute. It's all about camaraderie after all, don't you think?--'''[[User:Jetstreamer|Jetstreamer]]'''&nbsp;''{{sup|[[User talk:Jetstreamer#top|Talk]]}}'' 21:36, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
+#::I don't usually involve myself in these discussions, but this is ridiculous. I just have to say that I know some admins who are not very fluent speakers of English either. What do we do with them, desysop them? Yes, please go and shoo some perfectly good editors away because English is clearly the superior language around here, right? English not your first language? Shoo! Come back when you no longer have an accent. —[[User:K6ka|'''<span style="color:#0040FF">k6ka</span>''']] <span title="Canadian!" style="color:red">🍁</span> ([[User talk:K6ka|<span style="color:#0080FF">Talk</span>]] · [[Special:Contributions/K6ka|<span style="color:#0B4C5F">Contributions</span>]]) 21:45, 8 December 2016 (UTC)