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view · edit Frequently asked questions Q1: Why does this article refer to the Republic of Macedonia as Macedonia? Shouldn't this country be referred to as the F.Y.R. Macedonia (Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia), as that is what the European Broadcasting Union (EBU) call it in the contest to avoid confusion with Greek Macedonia? A1: Previously the practice on Eurovision Song Contest articles was to universally refer to the Republic of Macedonia as the F.Y.R. Macedonia, as this was the name the EBU used. However, this practice was overridden by wider community consensus established at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Macedonia). The current guideline establishes Macedonia as the general term for the county throughout Wikipedia, even if the article is about an international organisation which uses a different naming practice e.g. the Eurovision Song Contest. In Eurovision Song Contest articles the inclusion of the flag for the Republic of Macedonia and the context of Macedonia being listed with other countries makes the risk of confusion low. However, the term F.Y.R. Macedonia, as it is used in the contest, may still be reported once in individual Eurovision Song Contest articles as necessary. See also: Macedonia naming dispute

According to this article, record companies along with ERT are working together for Eurovision 2013.

http://www.escflashmalta.com/index.php/music-news/international-music-news/item/2070-greece-early-rumours-for-eurovision-2013 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.14.120.191 (talk) 03:47, 2 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It says "It seems that the collaboration between the record label (Universal Music) and ERT will continue", not a confirmation yet. Xelaxa (talk) 18:48, 3 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Now we do have a confirmation on Esctoday: (http://www.esctoday.com/?p=38578) Xelaxa (talk) 16:53, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

nrk doesnt seem to be ready to admit it yet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.208.59.120 (talk) 00:54, 4 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Where is the source what would confirm your words? Kirilloparma (talk) 01:02, 4 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

it isnt public knowledge so far and until nrk is willing to reveal it there isnt any sources. i suggest that norway is put on the list of possible withdrawals.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.208.59.120 (talk) 16:57, 4 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

If there are no reliable sources, the information is not verifiable. Original research is not allowed on Wikipedia. Xelaxa (talk) 17:41, 4 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

so, you will rather ban than listen.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.208.59.120 (talk) 18:05, 4 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Firstly, will the IP remain civil at all times to Wikipedians. Secondly, nobody mentioned anything about banning, so where on Earth did you get that idea from? Thirdly, Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia as you will have noticed by now. Every piece of content you find on the millions of articles are voluntary contributions from a community of editors. Content needs to be cited using sources found on the internet to provide verifiability to the content, so that the general reader knows that we are providing factual evidence and not make-believe stories. You have already stated that NRK haven't published anything on the internet, and therefore without that proof we cannot verify that what is being told is true or not. If any editor added content based on original research then they'd be violating the core policies of Wikipedia and thus putting themselves under sanctions of bans etc. Do you really want to jeopardise an editor by demanding they publish your original research which would be in a violation of WP:NOT#OR? Now until there published evidence from a reliable source to confirm what you're telling us here, then Norway will not be placed as a withdrawal. Besides, we no longer have a section headed as "Possibles", as that is speculative header. Wesley♦^Mouse 18:27, 4 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oh and with two sources contradicting your theory ESCXtra and NRK informing the ever reliable ESCToday that a national selection is underway, then what you are reporting here is pure make-believe. A national broadcaster would not go to the financial troubles of a national selection only to withdraw from the contest. Now please, end this charade and get back to proper editing. Wesley♦^Mouse 18:34, 4 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Don't worry about it too much Wes, this Norwegian user has been known to me for a long time, and has also posted threads speculating that Norway will withdraw in previous years. I have never seen the user respond constructively to requests to provide evidence for his/her claims, with the best example of this being the long running campaign to remove all reference to Oslo from the ESC 2010 article on a spurious basis - see Talk:Eurovision Song Contest 2010, the FAQ, and the archives. While I do even now try and follow WP:AGF with him/her, there is a pattern which points to these threads being driven by a grudge against NRK. CT Cooper · talk 23:56, 4 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

i dont hold a grudge against nrk but i dont want them to spread lies either. the fact remains however that they wont release any information this year so they might hold a national final but they most likely wont participate. as for eurovision song contest 2010 it was actually held in bærum and i know because i was there. i am always honest.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.208.59.120 (talk) 02:47, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Excuse me IP user, but may I suggest that you have a read at WP:TPG and learn how to use talk pages properly for starters. You always seem to be adding your comments directly in line with other editors, rather than starting on a new line. Also you have never signed a comment yet. I've had to manually sign the last 3 messages on your behalf. Please in future end your comment with ~~~~ before posting it. Thank you.

Now in regards to what you are saying, you state NRK are spreading lies, yet there is nothing to back up your opinion here. So in all reality, it just looks like you're spreading lies, as you have never yet provided a source to confirm what you are saying. Now if there are no sources out there, then I strongly advise you to drop this barbaric episode, and concentrate on other areas. Wesley♦^Mouse 03:21, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The IP may be "anti-NRK" here, but on the 2012 page we had speculative messages about them being confirmed. We have a source here saying (from NRK) that the final will be on 9 February, with "new" hosts. Spa-Franks (talk) 21:47, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Now we even know that EBU has determined Norway will participate in the second semi-final at the 2013 Contest.[1] Xelaxa (talk) 19:12, 7 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Now that is interesting. How would we present this on the article? We now know Denmark are in semi 1, and Norway in semi 2. The rest we won't know until January. Do we footnote it? And its also interesting how the rules for the running order have been modernised too. I don't mind wording that into the article tomorrow, unless someone else fancies doing it before hand. Wesley♦^Mouse 02:43, 8 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It should either be footnoted or not mentioned until we are in position to split all the countries - the current duplication doesn't look right at all. In any case, it should also be explained why things are as they are rather than leaving readers to guess. CT Cooper · talk 22:54, 9 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I added an explanation before the tables. Any opinions? Not A Superhero (talk) 18:06, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good to me. CT Cooper · talk 19:31, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There are a new rule for the running order. Can someone please add this information in a correct way: http://www.eurovision.tv/page/news?id=running_order_malmoe_2013_to_be_determined_by_producers /Hollac16 (talk) 15:13, 7 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Added to the article. Not A Superhero (talk) 17:59, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Should we add Portugal to possible withdrawals?

Source - http://12points.tv/spain-calling/item/1218-silencio-in-portugal — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.220.26.233 (talk) 01:53, 10 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

We no longer have a section for possible withdrawals/debuts/returns. Anything like that would get mentioned in the "Other countries" section. Although I vaguely recall a discussion 12 months ago regarding that website the you have sourced as being unreliable. SO I would be inclined to treat that as dubious anyway. Wesley♦^Mouse 14:44, 10 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

esctoday.com have confirmed Greece's participation.

http://www.esctoday.com/?p=38578 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.220.26.233 (talk) 20:25, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Source has already been added to the article. -- [[ axg ◉ talk ]] 20:37, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

ESCToday are reporting San Marino are most likely to be in Malmo and details on their selection process to be announced shortly. Part of me thinks it would be safe to add to the participants table, yet the other part of me says to add to "other countries" for now. Any views on this? Also (and off topic, but nevertheless), it is looking very likely that a participation record will be broken in 2013. With only Montenegro, Poland, and Portugal still to announce, it is looking like 2013 could have 44 nations. Wesley♦^Mouse 13:34, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think that as long as is possible add it to the participants table, to not officially but we'll see, maybe in a few days will be official information. Kirilloparma (talk) 14:21, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

If not San Marino will be added with this soruce, then Bosnia and Slovakia must be taken away from the list. Their sources also says only "it is most likley that XXX will be in Malmö in 2013." /Hollac16 (talk) 15:11, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Esctoday have reported TRM have stated their national selection is likely to be in February or March.

http://www.esctoday.com/?p=38665 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.220.26.233 (talk) 22:23, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

According to Oikotimes, NTU have changed the date to December 2012.

https://oikotimesofficial.wordpress.com/2012/11/14/ukraine-2013-nf-date-changed/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.220.26.233 (talk) 22:40, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

According to escxtra.com Roberto's song is apparently being chosen next month.

Source - http://escxtra.com/2012/11/national-final-on-december-16th/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.12.221.40 (talk) 17:17, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The original source is an audio file on RTBF's website, where Roberto himself says (in French) the national final will be held on December 16th: http://www.rtbf.be/info/medias/detail_roberto-bellarosa-le-gagnant-de-the-voice-choisi-pour-l-eurovision?id=7875573 Xelaxa (talk) 17:37, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

TVP have officially confirmed they won't be returning to the Eurovision Song Contest next year.

http://www.esctoday.com/?p=39143 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.220.26.233 (talk) 11:47, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This information has already been added to the article Kirilloparma (talk) 14:01, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Just a polite note; please don't put guillemet quotes around organization names. Quotes are not placed around organization names in English in any case, and this particular type of quote mark isn't used in English at all and is likely to cause confusion among readers. CT Cooper · talk 19:30, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

They have confirmed to esctoday.com

Source - http://www.esctoday.com/?p=39161 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.220.26.233 (talk) 16:21, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Already added. -- [[ axg ◉ talk ]] 18:01, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Nov. 22: ESCToday has confirmed that Portugal will not be participating in the Eurovision Song Contest set to be held in Malmo, Sweden.

Source - http://www.esctoday.com/?p=39164

Portugal will not be in the Eurovision Song Contest 2013! http://www.esctoday.com/?p=39164 /Hollac16 (talk) 19:36, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]