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This is not true-not even most of the time and needs to be changed ASAP —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.16.164.205 (talk) 16:45, 4 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not really. Self mutilation/depression/whatever and the 2000s-emo thing really go hand in hand. Obviously, not everyone who associates themselves with this subculture self-mutilates, but there's a very clear stereotype and image around it. (Albert Mond (talk) 17:56, 4 December 2009 (UTC))[reply]

Mr. Mond, why must you be so ignorant? That's like saying "Not all black people have big lips and eat watermelon but there is a clear image and stereotype around it." The truth is, very few emos cut. RedBarney (talk) 12:54, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No it's not. As I said on my talk page: "Black people are not a subculture. They're a '[racial group]'. Not all goths wear white makeup, I'm sure. However, because it is an integral part of the imagery associated with that subculture, we include notation of it in the [goth subculture] article. Another example is the [hippie] article. There's an entire section on drug use. Some hippies could be offended. It doesn't matter, as Wiki does not simply cater to the interests of these subcultures. Suicide and self-mutilation have for some time been common themes in 'emo,' and have gotten significant media attention."(Albert Mond (talk) 14:58, 12 January 2010 (UTC))[reply]

The "criticism" section is LITERALLY 5 sentences, two of which are statements by bands claiming to not even be Emo. This article is solid until it get down to the criticism article, and then it just stammers into a pile of hearsay, finger pointing, and name-calling. If someone does not fix this article soon, we might as well just tear out the entire section!!! Dreap 21:44, 13 December 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dreap (talk • contribs)

I disagree. (Albert Mond (talk) 22:31, 13 December 2009 (UTC))[reply]

"I disagree" is not an argument that proves 5 sentences is adequate! Dreap 23:19, 13 December 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dreap (talk • contribs)

You could call the entire article inadequate. I would disagree. This is a matter of opinion vs. opinion. The "Criticism and Controversy" section is properly sourced. It's a section that covers negative reactions to emo. I feel that that part covers it fairly well, and it's not really taking sides so much as it is documenting. If you would like to add something to make it seem less biased, and have sources to back it up, then go for it. Merging all the sub-sections of the criticism bit wouldn't hurt, either. (Albert Mond (talk) 23:43, 13 December 2009 (UTC))[reply]

There is a line of Information I would like added on, Specifically to help distinguish Emo style

The emo fashion is also recognized for its hairstyles. Popular looks include long side-swept bangs, sometimes covering one or both eyes. Also popular is hair that is straightened and dyed black. Bright colors, such as blue, pink, red, or bleached blond, are also typical as highlights in emo hairstyles. Short, choppy layers of hair are also common. This fashion has at times been characterized as a fad.^[1] In the early 2000s, emo fashion was associated with a clean cut look^[2] but as the style spread to younger teenagers, the style has become darker, with long bangs and emphasis on the color black replacing sweater vests. This slight change has started a common belief that Goth style and Emo style are the exact same thing; resulting in a mass confusion of the two styles.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Fronglokey1 (talk • contribs) 21:53, 4 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The URL for the first source doesn't seem to work. Could you try posting it again? Some of this (particularly the last 2 sentences) seems like your own synthesis, where you're combining sources to advance a position that the sources don't explicitly advance themselves. --IllaZilla (talk) 22:11, 4 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The entire list of sub genre's points to yes? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.27.23.222 (talk) 11:17, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. --IllaZilla (talk) 15:31, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It would be nice to have more references besides Greenwald's. It makes the article onesided. It has to be more sources about this not only one smartass eminence. --Locopunkie (talk) 01:57, 30 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The "one smartass eminence", as you're calling him, is a very reliable source who happens to have written one of the few books that covers emo in-depth from its inception until the early 2000s. While additional reliable sources are of course very much welcomed, that's no reason to deride what is a perfectly authoritative source in itself. Further, I've reverted your changes to the article as they were full of point of view issues, unreferenced claims, and original research, and removed perfectly valid, cited material in favor of a number of biased personal opinions and the unreliable source "emotivehardcore.com". I'm sorry, but your edits lessened the quality of the article. Please familiarize yourself with our core content policies and guidelines that I have linked, and try to find more reliable sources to add to the article rather than making edits based on your own opinions. --IllaZilla (talk) 06:34, 30 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

i move for deletion - this is almost entirely copied from various sentences published by Greenwald 86.28.152.165 (talk) 09:30, 3 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]