User talk:Everyme: Difference between revisions

This account has been blocked indefinitely from editing Wikipedia. (info: block log • contributions • deleted contributions • page moves • current autoblocks)

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Please delete all subpages of this account, as well as all subpages and the main userpage of my prior account, User:Dorftrottel (preferably then restore it with a redirect to this talk page). Everyme 07:28, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Also, could someone semiprotect this account's main user page to prevent cowardly anonymous and utterly untrue accusations like this? Everyme 07:36, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hilarious, Islander. You undo my evil, uncivil language (like it matters to anyone) but you leave the cowardly, bad-faithed and wrong accusations against me in place. Makes me feel real good about your judgement in indefblocking me. Sorta. Everyme 09:26, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am handling these requests. Thank you for your message. Stifle (talk) 18:34, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a bunch. Everyme 20:46, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please, anyone, undo this slander and semiprotect the main userpage of this account. I've never abusively sockpuppeted as in pretending to be someone else while editing in the same area or some such. I've never had more than one account active at a time. Even with my IP edits, I've made it clear (whenever I remembered to) that it's me. My only error was being too straightforward which earned me vengeful persecution by people like this. I don't deserve to be slandered with wrongful accusations like that. I know already that admin Islander (who incidentally is the one who indefblocked me) disagrees on that, seeing as he noticed but decided against reverting that IP's edit. If there's still someone out there with so much as a shred of dignity in their bones (i.e. not e.g. Islander), please undo that edit and semiprotect this account's main userpage. Everyme 09:54, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Oh, and if you want to be extra nice, you could remove me from Wikipedia:WikiProject James Bond#Participants. Everyme 10:03, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  You don't seem to be on it. Stifle (talk) 18:35, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  All your user subpages have been deleted. I haven't presumed to delete your talk subpages but will check back here to see if you request it. Stifle (talk) 18:43, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm listed as User:AldeBaer at the 007 project. Yes, please delete the talk subpages as well. Thanks again. Everyme 20:46, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

For the record, I did not agree nor disagree with anything with regards to your requests above - I would in all probability have fulfilled them, but unfortunately after reverting your uncivil comment, I got distracted by work. I appologise for not coming back to deal with them. _TalkIslander 09:04, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please respect my wish for you not to comment here ever again. You may of course censor anything I might have to say and enable vicious personal attacks against me like you already did, but please at least don't comment here. Fact is, you read my comment and you decided that censoring my comment was far more urgent than undoing the cowardly IP vandalism accusing me of something I have never done. Unfortunately, the IP is not familiar and I cannot recommend a particular checkuser, but the fact remains that you, distracted or not, did decide my accurate (if "uncivil") uncivil (if "accurate") comment needed correction much more than personal attacks against me. Case closed. Everyme 09:39, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry, but you're indefinitely blocked, so I cannot respect that wish. Like I said, I paid no attention to your request - I had no idea what it was about, whether it was valid or not, reasonable or not etc., so I passed no judgement whatsoever. All I saw was your innapropriate remark. _TalkIslander 12:29, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What, you indefblocked me and therefore you feel you have to anger me further? You cannot (please explain that "cannot", I fail to understand the logic there) respect my wish for you to at least leave me alone from now on and let others handle any potentially forthcoming issues? Your indefblocking me makes it necessary for you to keep beating me over the head? It is unavoidable that you keep baiting me with inane comments and absent logic like that? And if and when I react uncivilly, let me guess... that gives you the excuse you're looking for to fully protect this page and disable email, right? Good thing you're not just an unfriendly jackass. Everyme 14:04, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(ec) 'Cannot' was perhaps the wrong word - 'will not' would have been better. I have as much right as anyone to post on this page, and I will do so. As for an excuse, it wouldn't be an excuse, as that would imply that I am looking for an excuse, which I'm really not - it would be a reason. I don't know why you think I have a vendetta against you - I really don't. I can't specifically remember ever interacting with you in any way before this, which surely makes me fairly a fairly neutral and uninvolved admin. Now, if you wish to request to be unblocked, please do so. If not, please stop using this talk page - you have no reason to do so anymore. _TalkIslander 14:20, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I was just about to add that: With "cannot", you really mean "Fuck you, asshole, I do because I can". Which is of course fine, but intellectual dishonesty disgusts me. And it continues. Please pay at least some attention to what I am writing. Did I say you "are not allowed to" post here? No. No, I didn't. I said "Please respect my wish." I'm of course aware that you are allowed to post here. That's why I asked you please not to. And therefore your saying you won't respect my wish equals you telling me to go fuck myself. As to requesting unblock, I have no fucking idea who or what gave you the idea that I intend to request unblock. No, I won't for the time being. And my reasoning for that, although it's none of your business, is that I am not an idiot and I know that another completely uninvolved admin will certainly decline my request. How can I hope for sanity to prevail when you are not even respecting my request not to comment here? Why are you playing me for a sucker like that? Is there nothing better than taking a dump on my head? And what do you care whether or not I communicate with others on this talk page? What's it to you? Feel free to adjust my comments to your liking, but how on God's green earth is it against policy for me to still use this talk page to communicate with other people who are interested in what happened? And how is it illegitimate for me to use this fucking talk page to request this account's subpages to be deleted and a personal attack to be reverted? Everyme 14:29, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You're not going to request to be unblocked? OK, fair enough, in which case, as you've had your subpages deleted, you've no need to use this talk page any more. Once again, I am sorry that I did not respond to your requests above - as it so often does, real life got in the way. Whether you believe me or not is your choice. However, your continued incivility is not acceptable. _TalkIslander 14:38, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've been gone. WTF? Keeper ǀ 76 03:06, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Everyme indefed for persistent and admitted block evasion. Grsz¹¹ 03:17, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Persistent" block evasion to make a few minor mainspace edits in areas utterly unrelated to my block and not in themselves problematic at all, and I committed the capital crime of contacting Privatemusings and Casliber on their talk pages one time each. Then I made the even worse mistake of asking (via IP) at AN if such edits are really a reason to extend my block (as it had been done several times, see my block log). During that discussion, MBisanz enacted a (still effective) rangeblock. It's ridiculous, but at the same time it's an accurate testimony about the state of affairs on Wikipedia. Yes, during the whole ordeal I "admitted" to evading my block. One might also say I was being very straightforward at every turn, but that kind of perspective is not for everyone. Not coincidentally, Grsz11 should be the one admonished, but for his uninformed actions at Talk:Barack Obama he didn't receive so much as a warning. The letter of so-called "Civility" trumps everything now. And IAR is dead (namely, ignoring a stupid and exaggerated block by Matthew Bisanz to do some harmless minor formatting and contact two old acquaintances, then ask at AN if it's really necessary to extend my block for that). Grsz11, you are not welcome to edit this talk page, and you know that, and you should please respect my wish. Keeper, you are maybe the foremost example of someone I'd like to stay in contact with, but since you cannot have email, I guess this is about it. I may request an unblock somewhere down the road, but with people like long-time SP abuser Le Grand Roi, of all, accusing me of sockpuppetry out of the blue, I don't feel it would be useful as of right now. Maybe next year. Until then, as soon as the rangeblock expires, I may or may not return to ignoring the ineptitude and vengefulness of some people and probably make the occasional minor mainspace formatting edit (Grsz11, get ready to cry bloody murder when I do such a preposterous thing which, oh, you should be doing instead of POV pushing and trolling). Keeper, please make sure to look in this page's history to catch anything glorious admins like Islander may censor from your view. Also see the cangaroo court (plus a very few decent voices that go totally unresponded) here. Everyme 09:37, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, I was only summarazing AN because Keeper asked. No need to get pissy. Grsz¹¹ 14:06, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Get my email? (ping...!) Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:30, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Got it and am writing a reply. Everyme 10:49, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Everyme, I'm in the dark here, being on break for the better part of the last two months. I've posted at User talk:Islander and User talk:MBisanz, two users I'm familiar with that have turned up in your blocklog (and talkpage). I'm hoping that something can be reasonably worked out, agreeable by both sides, that will allow your account to be unblocked so you can resume editing if you wish to. Grsz11, I'd ask at this point that you not participate in any further discussions. In this thread, I asked everyme wtf was going on, not you. For you to reply before him, on his talkpage, is a reasonable grounds for pissing someone off, IMO. To then retort "I was only summarazing [sic] AN because Keeper asked" as if I asked you, and not Everyme, is rather presumptuous. You presume I cannot find your talkpage for your condensed versions of reality when I need them. Thanks in advance for stepping back, Keeper ǀ 76 03:42, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I just realized that you were unable to respond to my questions here, I've adjusted your blocklog so that you can edit your talk page. Email a trusted user if you are still unable to edit here. Also, see my talkpage for an extended discussion with Grsz11. Keeper ǀ 76 05:14, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

With you as a mediator, I am very happy to discuss this issue with you, MBisanz and Everyme. For the record, I do think you're being a tad harsh towards Grsz11 - people respond on other people's talk pages all the times, and it's not, in my opinion, a valid reason to get pissed off - but that's an entirely different situation that I won't be getting involved in (after this comment, of course :P) _TalkIslander 09:49, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Everyme may very well have disappeared entirely at this point, I hope not. As for Grsz11, he and I have come to a better understanding of each other's positions on my talkpage here. Working on getting to the bottom of whatever started this whole mess. You'll also notice Islander that I changed Everyme's block log so he can edit here if he so chooses. I realized that his talkpage was protected from IP editing and from Everyme-editing, and since I don't have email for mediation purposes (or any purposes for that matter), I thought it only fair that he had a chance, if he chooses, to present his ideas towards a solution that can ultimately get everyone back to editing here. To be honest, I wasn't expecting to see the names I saw in E-me's block log. I've long held MBisanz (and you, Islander) in high regard, as well as Everyme, albeit for entirely different reasons. I see no reason why this particular group of long term editors can't get past this. Right now, I believe it's in Everyme's court to respond to something here (I'd hoped he would've by now - kind of makes me wish this wasn't a redlink, he'll know what I mean :-).

Here's what I think probably needs to happen:

1)Grsz11, Everyme, anyone else directly involved in the ongoing saga that is Talk:Barack Obama needs to realize that the level of vitriol on that talk page, right or wrong, is almost certain to continue. By editing with that in mind (and not taking things too personally that are uttered when emotions are naturally really high) those involved in the mudslinging need to call a truce. (I'm thinking E-me and Grsz and Landon, I'm sure there are others that aren't SPA's that have probably moved passed an expected level of frustration-free collaboration) There appears to be a solid group of about 20+ editors in good standing that have ideological/political differences which are translating quite excusably as wikipedian differences. Let em go. (I did myself a huge favor by unwatchlisting Sarah Palin for a while. Not to sound like a total wet fish, but it's a big wiki. Give yourself an Obama-break, it's not like there aren't enough eyes on it. I'm pretty sure the world will not collapse overnight if the lead sentence of a free encyclopedia says "African American" instead of "biracial", or vice versa. There are plenty of real reasons why the world might collapse; that isn't one of them.

2)Islander needs to consider an apology for deleting things from this talkpage, a move that while technically "allowed", was understandably not taken very well by a longtime wikipedian, on what I can only call a perception of misuse of authority.

3)Everyme needs to consider an apology to Grsz11 for calling him, among other things, a moron. Everyme, I am hoping against hope that you won't respond with some "I call it like it is" type comment. Save it. Your girl could probably use some of that resulting "pent up energy".

4)An admin (preferably Islander, but I'll also do it), needs to unblock after items 1-3 are considered on their merits.

Sound agreeable? Consider this my proxy unblock request on Everyme's behalf, for lack of a better term. Dorf, if you choose to not edit anymore, that's of course your prerogative. I'd rather your account was unblocked anyway in case you decide to come back after a breather. Keeper ǀ 76 02:20, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think Keeper's plan above is a good one and he has summed it up more succinctly than I could. I hope it can progress as charted above. I guess it would be good if everything were documented in the one place, namely here (?) Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:32, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

1) Agree completely.

2) I'm not completely adverse to the idea of appologising, but I think Everyme needs to realise that the comment that I deleted was unacceptable. I'll certainly admit: I shouldn't have deleted it, and for that I appologise, but what I did delete should never have been posted by a civilised editor.

3) Agreed.

4) I'm not willing to unblock completely, but what I'm willing to do is reduce the block back down to it's original three weeks, i.e. so that it expires on the 18 December 9 December. I have been in touch with Everyme via email, and he accepts his original 3 week block - it's the stuff above that that he has issues with. Providing that Everyme realises that block evasion is not acceptable, I will reduce his block back down to the original block.

I will get in touch with Everyme again, and make him aware of this discussion. From what he's told me, he planned to wait for the original block to expire (at which point I would have given him back the ability to use this talk page) before requesting to be unblocked. _TalkIslander 09:44, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Just to clarify 4) - I got my dates wrong - the block I was refering to (his latest 3 week block) ended yesterday, so yes, I'll unblock. _TalkIslander 09:54, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

←I've had a couple of emails from Everyme, which can best be summed up in his first sentance:

"I only just noticed Keeper's efforts. It's very nice of him, but honestly, I think it's way too early. There's no need to rush things imho, and otoh plenty reason to give it some more time. Keeper doesn't have email, so maybe you could let him know (and please tell him thank you from me)?".

He then goes on to say that he doesn't wish to post here, for a couple of reasons, and that he won't be requesting an unblock for a few weeks (at which point he might). With this in mind, I suggest we just leave everything exactly as-is until Everyme wishes to persue it again. I'll get back in touch with him and tell him that as soon as he wishes to continue here at Wiki, he can get back in touch with me, I'll notify Keeper, MBisanz, and anyone else relevant, and we can continue where we left off. _TalkIslander 21:50, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good, thanks for relaying the message. I'll (mostly) be not around myself in the next several weeks, but I'll check in here and there as well. Hit me up on my talkpage if/when you here anything, I'll keep this page watchlisted for when I log in. Bottoms up, Keeper ǀ 76 03:35, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Aus irgendeinem Grund kann mein Mail-Programm (eins der in Deutschland am meisten genutzten Freemail-Anbieter) nicht auf deine eMails antworten. Die Fehlermeldung ist:

Hi. This is the [***mail***]-send program at [***sgeureka's mail server URL***].
I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses.
This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.

und nach Angabe deiner eMail-addy steht

[***everyme's mail server IP***] does_not_like_recipient.
Remote_host_said:_550-5.1.1_The_email_account_that_you_tried_to_reach_does_not_exist._Please
try_double-checking_the_recipient's_email_address_for_typos
or_unnecessary_spaces

Meine eMail hat/hätte nichts weiter Signifikantes enthalten, aber da es zweimal nicht funktioniert hat, und in deiner (von Wikipedia mitgelieferten) eMail-addy keine Typos oder Leerzeichen ersichtlich sind, teile ich dir wenigstens dieses Übertragungsproblem mit. Vielleicht bist du schlauer. :-) – sgeureka ^t•c 07:07, 15 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Erstma: congrats. Die Adresse hab ich abgestellt, hätte ich erwähnen sollen. Zur Erklärung: ich hatte tonnenweise Spam seit ich die Adresse mal auf WP:GMAIL eingetragen hatte und irgendwie hatte ich nicht groß Lust, meine Hauptadresse anzugeben; und anlässlich des Blocks dann nicht die Muse, eine neue Adresse für WP-Zwecke zu registrieren. Wenn ich's nicht vergesse, erwähne ich normalerweise meine Hauptadresse, um Rückantworten zu ermöglichen (entsprechende mail gesendet). Everyme 12:28, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]