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Hello Ryan, CBM, Jennavecia (same message on all three talk pages). Seems like the ANI thread has gone stale although this idea of small-committee discussion has received pretty solid support. Look, we're never going to have 30 people agreeing on who should be working on this so I'd suggest you three take a shot at it. Am I dumping this thankless task on you guys? I sure am. I don't mind helping out but BC has gotten this idea that I'm out to get him so that might just increase drama. I know Jennavecia has expressed concern that she might be viewed as a BC cheerleader but you're all reasonable people and, as Jennnavecia put it, I think you all "understand the grievances of most editors who want to see Beta banned and at the same time, find great value in his contributions". CBM has bot experience, Ryan has MedCom experience, you're all admins, you've all been around and you've all followed the various BC ANI threads and ArbCom cases enough to understand the situation. I expect that both ends on the BC-love spectrum will spit at whatever compromise you come up with but at this stage it'll have to do and cooler-heads can probably prevail... Pascal.Tesson (talk) 01:46, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
If I'm not mistaken, the Mediation Committee has a private wiki where this can be handled discreetly. As a member, Ryan should be able to set this up (I think). I'm tempted to close both the current ANI thread and the ANI subpage thread. Actually, if the three of you agree to take this on, let me know and I'll close them with (hopefully) a convincing explanation of why that's the right way to go. Cheers (oh and ok ok, I'll archive my talk page...) Pascal.Tesson (talk) 19:55, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Haha, thanks (about your talk page) XD. Uhm, I spoke with Ryan briefly on IRC to ask when we'd be able to discuss here on wiki. Later this evening. I've not had an opportunity to talk to CBM, but hopefully we'll all be around this evening for long enough to hammer this out. Fantasy Football league drafts tonight... Kurt will be very disappointed with my picks! Jennavecia (Talk)20:26, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hopefully, you can do this quick enough to avoid further meltdown. Angusmclellan has just blanked and protected BC's monobook... Can't imagine that this'll cool things down. Pascal.Tesson (talk) 21:38, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Collective: Unconscious
Thanks for your notes.
I sincerely want to resolve this. Formatting aside (and I want to make the formatting more appropriate; I have removed all "artist" references that do not have wikipedia refs), I am especially concerned about the conflict of interest charges.
Citing oneself
I cited myself once in the entire article as a producer in a single series. As listed, I was one of over 30 directors of the facility, producing one of dozens of long-running series, over the theatre's roughly 14 year run. As per the COI, "Editing in an area in which you have professional or academic expertise is not, in itself, a conflict of interest....Excessive self-citation is strongly discouraged."
Financial
I am neither "receiving monetary or other benefits or considerations" nor do I "expect to derive monetary or other benefits or considerations from editing Wikipedia."
Legal antagonists
I am not "involved in a court case, or close to [any] litigants."
Self-promotion
Whereas I no longer have an official affiliation with the organization, I am in no way engaging in "self-promotion, including advertising links, personal website links, personal or semi-personal photos, or other material that appears to promote the private or commercial interests of the editor, or their associates."
Autobiography
Nothing in this article is autobiographical, and with one exception, I am not mentioned.
Close relationships
I have no "high level of personal commitment to, involvement with, or dependence upon, a person, subject, idea, tradition, or organization."
If you take serious issue with a tongue-in-cheek comment about a "viscous fluid," then just edit that, fine. This latest revision was absolutely not a reverted previous version, and this simply shows that you did not do due diligence in your review. If you would have reviewed more carefully, you would realize I was one of over 30 members, and my formal relationship ended in 2002.
Methinks you dost protest too much. Please carefully consider your future editorial suggestions in light of this, before you threaten "to issue... a short block if you continue to edit in this manner." I could easily escalate this issue in the same manner, but I believe it is in the interests of the Wikipedia community to some to a calm, mutual balance for all parties.
As per Wikipedia:Administrators under Grievances by users ("Administrator abuse"):
"If a user thinks an administrator has acted improperly against them or another editor, they should express their concerns directly to the administrator responsible and try to come to a resolution in an orderly and civil manner. However, if the matter is not resolved between the two parties, users can take further action (see Wikipedia:Dispute Resolution). For more possibilities, see Requests for comment/User conduct: Use of administrator privileges and Administrators' noticeboard: Incidents"
I hereby appeal to you that we "try to come to a resolution in an orderly and civil manner" before this becomes a more formal conflict. Justindavila (talk) 03:19, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
Can you point out exactly where I have a conflict of interest? Thanks.
per your post hereMajorly said: "No wonder you can't get any further than waiting and minimum wage jobs in supermarkets."
You responded: "and the inaccuracies, last time I checked, the United States Air Force wasn't a supermarket)"
My question: So it's true that the Air Force pays minimum wage? ---BalloonmanPoppaBalloon21:21, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Depends on your rank and your hours. For me, working about 60 hours a week, it averaged to a little more than minimum wage. However, I lived for free and got discounted food. Also tax free shopping and 100% medical insurance. So there was more to it than just pay, and I ended up saving a whole lot of money. So I'd say it's much better pay than a minimum wage job... and still not a supermarket. Also, I make well over minimum wage at my current job. So his comments were really just ridiculous drivel. A failed attempt at a burn. Jennavecia (Talk)21:25, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I know, my dad retired as a light bird... I told him when I was in HS that since he was officially on the clock 24/7, that I made more money per hour than him.---BalloonmanPoppaBalloon21:31, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well, there's the month of paid vacation each year, too. Can't beat that. Did you get that with your high school job? Haha. But yea, salary can be good until you start working killer hours, then the hourly pay starts looking really nice. Jennavecia (Talk)03:56, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
341s, zOMG, that number haunts me. I had the worst experience ever when I had three of my four 341s taken from me in one incident. OMG. I knew for sure I was going to wash back, and in a band flight, that was two weeks! Luckily, they just scared the shit out of me and that was that. Talk about stress. Jennavecia (Talk)04:09, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I only had one taken from me - I was on door guard in another flight's dorm, and the TI tried to jump in the door without showing his authority to enter while the flight was coming back in from PT. I slammed his hand in the door - man, was he mad! He threatened to have me recycled but nothing came of it. Kellyhi!04:14, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, snap. That's pretty much what happened to me. I was dorm guard for a baby flight. They didn't yet have a roster and, unknown to me, the door had been left unlocked, since they needn't identify to be let in. So my ass is standing at the podium, reading the manual, as usual, and the flights busts in the door, shocking the hell out of me. So I run up and watch for the TI. Well, I glance down the hall to make sure that they're going into the day room, and I see one go down her bay. I yell for her to go into the day room and when I turn back, not only is their TI standing there, but my TI is in my face. Talk about bad times.
He said something like, "Are you just going to stand there, or are you going to try to secure the door?" So I start to close it and, of course, he's like "Well, it's too late now, don't ya think?!" Ya... I think. So that was bad times. He opened the door to my flight, which was across the hall, and proceeded to scream at me about how I just killed an entire flight for about 10 minutes while my flight piled up in the hall of our dorm to watch and listen. So, he tells me he's not sure if he wants to see my face again, for me to go back in the baby dorm and wait for my punishment. Okay, so I walk in and the baby guard's TI (a male) walks in behind me and I am so shaken I forget to yell "Male in the hall, secure the latrine." So, my TI took a 341. Then this TI took one for me not yelling out the warning. He looked at it, sigh. Our squad had one girl write out all our 341s. We each took tasks and would do them for our whole squad, as it was quicker that way. Well, turns out she was sabotaging. She'd also been putting dry cleaning tags in our pockets, we found out later. Anyway, so she had filled them out wrong, he noticed. Asked me for another for that. So three 341s in a matter of minutes. And I only had one left, so I was about to piss myself in fear that he was going to take another, because I was one short.
Anyway, I get back to my dorm later that night, and while I'm getting things ready for my shower, my twin (this chick looked so much like me, it was nuts), came out of the TI's office (she was the house mouse) and asked me if I'd had three 341s taken. I told her I had, and she informed me that all three were in his trashcan. \o/ Woooo! Not another word was spoken about it. I so thought I was toasty and that was my last night with my flight. No hiccups after that. Warrior week was awesome times ten, until the five mile march that almost killed me, haha... and we sailed through the last week. Ah, the memories.... Jennavecia (Talk)04:49, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
LOL! Your story is way better than mine...though I could tell your some Survival School stories that would turn your hair white. :) Maybe sometime - take care, and Airpower! Kellyhi!05:30, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
