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:::::And as per [[WP:ARCHIVE]]: "{{tq|..The talk page guidelines suggest archiving when the talk page exceeds 75 KB (or 75,000 bytes)..}}"{{pb}}The current size of this talk page (excluding this reply) is at 32.9 KB, so yeah this talk page is at manageable level. [[User:Windborne Rider|<b style="color:#008080; text-shadow:0.1em 0.2em 0.1em #FFF8E7">𝙹𝚒𝚢𝚊𝚗 忌炎</b>]] [[User talk:Windborne Rider|<b style="color:#008080; text-shadow:0.1em 0.2em 0.1em #FFF8E7"><small>(𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔)</small></b>]] 09:20, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::And as per [[WP:ARCHIVE]]: "{{tq|..The talk page guidelines suggest archiving when the talk page exceeds 75 KB (or 75,000 bytes)..}}"{{pb}}The current size of this talk page (excluding this reply) is at 32.9 KB, so yeah this talk page is at manageable level. [[User:Windborne Rider|<b style="color:#008080; text-shadow:0.1em 0.2em 0.1em #FFF8E7">𝙹𝚒𝚢𝚊𝚗 忌炎</b>]] [[User talk:Windborne Rider|<b style="color:#008080; text-shadow:0.1em 0.2em 0.1em #FFF8E7"><small>(𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔)</small></b>]] 09:20, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Redrose64|Redrose64]] The IP user removed the content again but I reverted it back. What to do with their behavior? [[User:Windborne Rider|<b style="color:#008080; text-shadow:0.1em 0.2em 0.1em #FFF8E7">𝙹𝚒𝚢𝚊𝚗 忌炎</b>]] [[User talk:Windborne Rider|<b style="color:#008080; text-shadow:0.1em 0.2em 0.1em #FFF8E7"><small>(𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔)</small></b>]] 09:22, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
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I think all members should be listed as past members considering the band has disbanded. I'm using The Beatles page for reference, in which some members are dead and alive yet all are listed as past members. Carolineovo (talk) 17:53, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Totally 💯 agreed. It doesn’t make sense otherwise at all as they’re all past members ? Page defo needs updating. Who on earth is editing the page 🤔 please put Liam on the same list as the other 1D members - can still put his years active on. I’m an older lady and not really a mega fan but this is just wrong & so insensitive… Asperfemale (talk) 23:06, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I believe the difference is that Zayn bought his way out. I don't recall the details, but it was in the legal sense. The others technically never officially stopped being members even if the band is inactive.
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Remove the last sentence of the History section: "However, he had mended fences with his members by 2023, and even met with Horan shortly before his death.[172]". Neither part of this sentence is supported (or mentioned) in reference [172]. If not prepared to remove, then a different citation is needed. SafetyDance151 (talk) 08:56, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
One Direction has not meaningfully existed as a group for over 8 years. I know that editors have historically argued that "indefinite hiatus" does not mean that the band has broken up, but they seem to be broken up for all practical intents and purposes. Hemiauchenia (talk) 15:59, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I agree. Especially with the current discussion about whether Liam should be moved to "Current members". Tragically, he cannot be a current member because he passed away. That said, it doesn't seem like there are any current members of 1D, and as their hiatus was officially announced, I think it makes most sense to structure the article as if the project is not active (past tense, showing membership by year range instead of "current"/"former", etc). Thesixthstaff (talk) 17:12, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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I don’t think it’s fitting to have both Liam and Zayn under past members with no indication of liam’s passing included. While factually correct, I find it to be misleading and lacking taste. I think using parentheses to say, “Liam(deceased),” may work better. 2601:805:8200:E340:3C8B:106B:DEA7:A1B7 (talk) 21:47, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Past tense and all listed as past members. It's been 8 years, for all important intents and purposes One Direction is broken up (there has been essentially no group activity over this entire time period), and the Wikipedia article should reflect that. Hemiauchenia (talk) 11:55, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Given the fact that the five members have pursued solo careers and the band is no longer active after 2016. As the infobox shows years active 2010–2016, regardless of Malik's departure and Payne's death, it is clear that there is no activity going on for this band; the first sentence at least must not use present tense to cause confusion to readers and a contradiction in between the history section and infobox. Also, please remove the indefinite hiatus footnotes from the infobox or avoid using the word hiatus when there is no reunion or resumption yet. 14.0.158.69 (talk) 23:14, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Here's an reminder regarding Payne's death for Editors:
On this wikipedia, the subject is the band One Direction, Payne's death is not part of the band history, anything about him, please go to his own biography page. we should be focusing on writing one direction as a band, as the main subject between 2010 and 2016 only (not individual). Just briefly mentions payne's death in the Legacy section and Band members section. 14.0.175.205 (talk) 20:10, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Past tense and all past members, but note I have nothing rooted in Wikipedia's guidelines to support my opinion. I just think it's the right thing to do. Liam's death makes it all the less likely 1D will ever re-form, anyway. mftp danoops22:54, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Since One Direction are not publicly active, listing the "current" members would only be an assumption. The article can be updated to whatever a statement says if and when it's released, but for now I think they should be listed as past members as they are described by sources. Miklogfeather (talk) 22:38, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Both band is inactive as a matter of fact; we shouldn't be using the word hiatus (lit.'A temporary absence from the public or the mainstream.') to describe both, as we cannot predict whether they will have a comeback in the future. Per WP:CRYSTALBALL. 14.0.158.69 (talk) 09:24, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I mostly agree with describing it in the past tense. But how do we draw the line on hiatuses? Liam's death might eliminate the chance of a reunion, but, before that, what would be the difference from another band like Radiohead for example? Both have been inactive for years and their members became involved with other projects Lucafrehley (talk) 21:54, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We know that Radiohead reunited for rehearsals, and sources don't call the band members "former members" or "former bandmates" like for One Direction, so I'd say if up-to-date sources most commonly describe the band or all the band's membership in the past tense, and there's no evidence of activity, it should be written so on Wikipedia. Miklogfeather (talk) 22:33, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The indefinite hiatus would go toward a one direction of a lifetime and beyond. Let's not face it — Everything that has a beginning comes to an end.14.0.158.69 (talk) 00:03, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Present tense and only Zayn Malik and Liam Payne listed as past members. I would like to shift the focus of this discussion away from non-policy-based arguments. If we want to say that they have broken up permanently, then Wikipedia policy requires a source which explicitly says this. This discussion needs to be based on an analysis of reliable sources, but thus far, no one has provided or analyzed any sources. The official word in August 2015 was that the band was not splitting up: see this NYT article quoting a tweet from Niall Horan and Louis Tomlinson. However, I was recently reading Liam Payne's obituary in The New York Times, and it actually does state directly: But in January 2016, the band split, Us Weekly reported. That Us Weekly article cites an anonymous source: Five months after announcing they would begin an extended hiatus in March, One Direction’s Louis Tomlinson, Niall Horan, Liam Payne and Harry Styles will split, a source close to the British boy band reveals in the new issue of Us Weekly. If it is true that the band split in 2016, I'm pretty surprised that we missed this, so I looked back in the talk page archives, and there was a small discussion about the article: Talk:One Direction/Archive 3#Band split. Someone did actually try to cite the Us Weekly article saying that the band has disbanded, but another person pointed out this Billboard article which reported that Billboard's own anonymous source denies the breakup news, saying nothing has changed regarding hiatus plans for the group, and all will be revealed in due time from the band members’ own mouths. All of this is actually mentioned in the article itself under the 2015–2016: Made in the A.M. and hiatus section. Because of this discrepancy, we continued the present tense format to this day, and as far as I can tell, Payne's death hasn't changed anything. We are still waiting for some official source (or alternatively a clear consensus in reliable sources) to say that the hiatus is actually a permanent split, before we can say in Wikipedia's voice that it has become a permanent split. There are a number of traditionally reliable sources reporting the group's status as still on "indefinite hiatus": see Reuters[2], BBC[3], The Guardian[4], CBS News[5]. Mz7 (talk) 01:45, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What have music publications such as NME and Record Collector had to say about the band's status? (hiatus, split, etc.) Not just recently, but going back eight or so years: Record Collector often produce articles about bands that haven't done anything for a while. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 08:07, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Present tense and only Zayn Malik and Liam Payne listed as past members: Listing all members of One Direction as past members could cause significant confusion because it would suggest that the band has officially disbanded, which isn't true. While One Direction is on an indefinite hiatus and Zayn Malik left in 2015, the group has not officially dissolved. Marking everyone as past members could mislead readers into thinking the group no longer exists, when, in fact, there’s always the possibility of a reunion. To avoid this confusion, it’s better to reflect the hiatus status while only listing Zayn and Liam (due to his passing) as past members, and keeping the rest as current but inactive members. Btspurplegalaxy💬🖊️03:48, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"always the possibility of a reunion" this is literally true of all bands, and Wikipedia is not a WP:CRYSTALBALL. Zayn Malik was part of the joint statement made by the surviving 1D members after Payne's passing on the official 1D social media accounts, which implies that there is no meaningful difference between him and the 3 supposedly remaining members of 1D. Hemiauchenia (talk) 04:39, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
While he is mentioned in the statement, it does not change the fact that he left the group. It is important to use the infobox correctly. Moving the three current members to the past members section would not align with its intended purpose. Regardless of the hiatus duration, the group has not disbanded, and the remaining members should still be listed as current members. Btspurplegalaxy💬🖊️05:57, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Past tense. Why not we just state that fact they all five have gone solo after 2016. It is much more accurate. Using the word hiatus is vague and controversial. I am still not understanding why this wikipedia doesn't mention about their solo career at all. For the member list situation, all five on their biography page on wikipedia, their infobox writes "Formerly of One Direction". 14.0.158.69 (talk) 04:55, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Let's rewrite the first paragraph or the lede on here. To address all the issue and update to reflect the current situation of the band below. 14.0.158.69 (talk) 07:01, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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change:
'Past members
Niall Horan
Zayn Malik
Liam Payne
Harry Styles
Louis Tomlinson'
to
'Members
Niall Horan
Zayn Malik
Liam Payne
Harry Styles
Louis Tomlinson'
removed 'past' in 'past members' because they are still part of one direction whether they left or died they still make up who one direction are. Could put (deceased) next to Liam as an indication to his death. Keyboardwarrior1D (talk) 14:23, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The text “The group consisted of Niall Horan, Harry Styles, Louis Tomlinson, Zayn Malik until his departure in 2015, and Liam Payne, until his death in
2024.”
is incorrect. It implies that the group consisted of along others Liam Payne, until his death. This is incorrect. The group disbanded long before his death. His death was not a reason for the group not consisting of him anymore. The disbandment of the group was the reason for that. Grimey2k (talk) 12:06, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@14.0.158.69 Don't manually removed contents and disguised it to archive and use the RfC as an excuse for your unreasonable reasons. Then archiver bot shouldn't place here if we can just manually archive every discussion here. 𝙹𝚒𝚢𝚊𝚗 忌炎(𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔)08:44, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Correct and some of it can be useful for other user who will visit this talk page so they will not repeat the same edit requests over and over because of the recent events. 𝙹𝚒𝚢𝚊𝚗 忌炎(𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔)08:56, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
On talk pages that generate significant amounts of discussion, old discussions are often archived to keep the size of the talk page at a manageable level. This may be done either manually or with the help of a bot. An archive box with links to the discussion archives is normally placed at the top of the current talk page. per WP:TP. We need the size of the talk page at a manageable level therefore manual archive. 14.0.158.69 (talk) 09:10, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And as per WP:ARCHIVE: "..The talk page guidelines suggest archiving when the talk page exceeds 75 KB (or 75,000 bytes).."The current size of this talk page (excluding this reply) is at 32.9 KB, so yeah this talk page is at manageable level. 𝙹𝚒𝚢𝚊𝚗 忌炎(𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔)09:20, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]