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There are two questions:

1. Should One Direction be described in the past tense ("was", "were", rather than "is")
2. Should all members be listed as past members in the infobox or just Zayn Malik and Liam Payne?

Hemiauchenia (talk) 11:55, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Past tense and all listed as past members. It's been 8 years, for all important intents and purposes One Direction is broken up (there has been essentially no group activity over this entire time period), and the Wikipedia article should reflect that. Hemiauchenia (talk) 11:55, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @Hemiauchenia if there's no official statement about the status, then let it be members and past members Kayanad (talk) 15:56, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Per US Weekly, the band reportedly split up several months after the "indefinite hiatus" began [1] Wikipedia is not a WP:CRYSTALBALL, and the article can be changed to "is/are" if the band ever reunites. Hemiauchenia (talk) 04:32, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Agree See the wikipedia - Jonas Brothers in 2018 as an example: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jonas_Brothers&oldid=870618849 14.0.153.120 (talk) 14:28, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  This isn't a simple yes/no question. Which proposal are you agreeing to? --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 09:31, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Agree per above Thesixthstaff (talk) 20:01, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @Thesixthstaff: This isn't a simple yes/no question. Which proposal are you agreeing to? --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 09:31, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  these were a reply. someone changed it into bullet point / list. 14.0.158.69 (talk) 09:39, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  If you check edit history, my feedback was in reply to Hemiauchenia. Not sure why someone messed with the threading. Thesixthstaff (talk) 11:56, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Given the fact that the five members have pursued solo careers and the band is no longer active after 2016. As the infobox shows years active 2010–2016, regardless of Malik's departure and Payne's death, it is clear that there is no activity going on for this band; the first sentence at least must not use present tense to cause confusion to readers and a contradiction in between the history section and infobox. Also, please remove the indefinite hiatus footnotes from the infobox or avoid using the word hiatus when there is no reunion or resumption yet. 14.0.158.69 (talk) 23:14, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @14.0.158.69 but if there's no official statement about the band status, let it be a member and past member One direction has not disbanded yet. Kayanad (talk) 15:52, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I would suggest the lede to be written:

  One Direction, often shortened to 1D, were an English-Irish pop boy band formed in London in 2010. The group consisted of Niall Horan, Harry Styles, Louis Tomlinson, Liam Payne, and Zayn Malik. They became one of the best-selling boy groups of all time until their break-up following Malik's departure in 2016.

  Just replace all the word hiatus to break-up; it is what it is.

  Hiatus only be used to describe when the band actually resume after a pause. (see Weezer and Jonas Brothers)

  For One direction even Fifth Harmony, it is not appropriate to make a assumption right now. per WP:FUTURE.

  Here's an reminder regarding Payne's death for Editors:

  On this wikipedia, the subject is the band One Direction, Payne's death is not part of the band history, anything about him, please go to his own biography page. we should be focusing on writing one direction as a band, as the main subject between 2010 and 2016 only (not individual). Just briefly mentions payne's death in the Legacy section and Band members section. 14.0.175.205 (talk) 20:10, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Past tense and all listed as past members - same as Hemiauchenia‘s reasoning. Theknine2 (talk) 12:43, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Past tense and all past members, but note I have nothing rooted in Wikipedia's guidelines to support my opinion. I just think it's the right thing to do. Liam's death makes it all the less likely 1D will ever re-form, anyway. mftp dan ^oops 22:54, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Past tense and all past members per Hemiauchenia. HorrorLover555 (talk) 02:35, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Past members Sources call all the members "former members" and presenting One Direction as a trio in the infobox or the lead is not accurate. Miklogfeather (talk) 07:32, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @Miklogfeather yes, it's accurate, there's no official statement about the status Kayanad (talk) 15:55, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Since One Direction are not publicly active, listing the "current" members would only be an assumption. The article can be updated to whatever a statement says if and when it's released, but for now I think they should be listed as past members as they are described by sources. Miklogfeather (talk) 22:38, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Past tense and all listed as past members: as per above. 𝙹𝚒𝚢𝚊𝚗 忌炎 (𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔) 08:21, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: Like Fifth Harmony which is also on indefinite hiatus, keep those still part of the band separate from former members. Kailash29792 (talk) 08:55, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Both band is inactive as a matter of fact; we shouldn't be using the word hiatus (lit. 'A temporary absence from the public or the mainstream.') to describe both, as we cannot predict whether they will have a comeback in the future. Per WP:CRYSTALBALL. 14.0.158.69 (talk) 09:24, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @14.0.158.69 we can't predict it, but at least there's still a chance for them?? remember backstreet boys Kayanad (talk) 15:53, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Currently they are not, then don't call it a hiatus for One Direction for now. Use the word breakup then. Simple. 14.0.175.205 (talk) 20:26, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I think they ought not have it as they do, either, for the record. But that is a discussion for another time. mftp dan ^oops 13:07, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: I mostly agree with describing it in the past tense. But how do we draw the line on hiatuses? Liam's death might eliminate the chance of a reunion, but, before that, what would be the difference from another band like Radiohead for example? Both have been inactive for years and their members became involved with other projects Lucafrehley (talk) 21:54, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  We know that Radiohead reunited for rehearsals, and sources don't call the band members "former members" or "former bandmates" like for One Direction, so I'd say if up-to-date sources most commonly describe the band or all the band's membership in the past tense, and there's no evidence of activity, it should be written so on Wikipedia. Miklogfeather (talk) 22:33, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  The indefinite hiatus would go toward a one direction of a lifetime and beyond. Let's not face it — Everything that has a beginning comes to an end. 14.0.158.69 (talk) 00:03, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Present tense and only Zayn Malik and Liam Payne listed as past members. I would like to shift the focus of this discussion away from non-policy-based arguments. If we want to say that they have broken up permanently, then Wikipedia policy requires a source which explicitly says this. This discussion needs to be based on an analysis of reliable sources, but thus far, no one has provided or analyzed any sources.
  The official word in August 2015 was that the band was not splitting up: see this NYT article quoting a tweet from Niall Horan and Louis Tomlinson. However, I was recently reading Liam Payne's obituary in The New York Times, and it actually does state directly: But in January 2016, the band split, Us Weekly reported. That Us Weekly article cites an anonymous source: Five months after announcing they would begin an extended hiatus in March, One Direction’s Louis Tomlinson, Niall Horan, Liam Payne and Harry Styles will split, a source close to the British boy band reveals in the new issue of Us Weekly. If it is true that the band split in 2016, I'm pretty surprised that we missed this, so I looked back in the talk page archives, and there was a small discussion about the article: Talk:One Direction/Archive 3#Band split. Someone did actually try to cite the Us Weekly article saying that the band has disbanded, but another person pointed out this Billboard article which reported that Billboard's own anonymous source denies the breakup news, saying nothing has changed regarding hiatus plans for the group, and all will be revealed in due time from the band members’ own mouths. All of this is actually mentioned in the article itself under the 2015–2016: Made in the A.M. and hiatus section.
  Because of this discrepancy, we continued the present tense format to this day, and as far as I can tell, Payne's death hasn't changed anything. We are still waiting for some official source (or alternatively a clear consensus in reliable sources) to say that the hiatus is actually a permanent split, before we can say in Wikipedia's voice that it has become a permanent split. There are a number of traditionally reliable sources reporting the group's status as still on "indefinite hiatus": see Reuters [2], BBC [3], The Guardian [4], CBS News [5]. Mz7 (talk) 01:45, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  What have music publications such as NME and Record Collector had to say about the band's status? (hiatus, split, etc.) Not just recently, but going back eight or so years: Record Collector often produce articles about bands that haven't done anything for a while. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 08:07, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Present tense and only Zayn Malik and Liam Payne listed as past members: Listing all members of One Direction as past members could cause significant confusion because it would suggest that the band has officially disbanded, which isn't true. While One Direction is on an indefinite hiatus and Zayn Malik left in 2015, the group has not officially dissolved. Marking everyone as past members could mislead readers into thinking the group no longer exists, when, in fact, there’s always the possibility of a reunion. To avoid this confusion, it’s better to reflect the hiatus status while only listing Zayn and Liam (due to his passing) as past members, and keeping the rest as current but inactive members. Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 03:48, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  "always the possibility of a reunion" this is literally true of all bands, and Wikipedia is not a WP:CRYSTALBALL. Zayn Malik was part of the joint statement made by the surviving 1D members after Payne's passing on the official 1D social media accounts, which implies that there is no meaningful difference between him and the 3 supposedly remaining members of 1D. Hemiauchenia (talk) 04:39, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  While he is mentioned in the statement, it does not change the fact that he left the group. It is important to use the infobox correctly. Moving the three current members to the past members section would not align with its intended purpose. Regardless of the hiatus duration, the group has not disbanded, and the remaining members should still be listed as current members. Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 05:57, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Past tense. Why not we just state that fact they all five have gone solo after 2016. It is much more accurate. Using the word hiatus is vague and controversial. I am still not understanding why this wikipedia doesn't mention about their solo career at all. For the member list situation, all five on their biography page on wikipedia, their infobox writes "Formerly of One Direction". 14.0.158.69 (talk) 04:55, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Someone recently changed it to formerly of One Direction. Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 06:10, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Let's rewrite the first paragraph or the lede on here. To address all the issue and update to reflect the current situation of the band below. 14.0.158.69 (talk) 07:01, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

One Direction (1D), were an English-Irish pop boy band formed by Niall Horan, Harry Styles, Louis Tomlinson, Liam Payne, and Zayn Malik in 2010 on The X Factor.

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change: 'Past members Niall Horan Zayn Malik Liam Payne Harry Styles Louis Tomlinson'

to 'Members Niall Horan Zayn Malik Liam Payne Harry Styles Louis Tomlinson'

removed 'past' in 'past members' because they are still part of one direction whether they left or died they still make up who one direction are. Could put (deceased) next to Liam as an indication to his death. Keyboardwarrior1D (talk) 14:23, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Keyboardwarrior1D:  Not done: This is under discussion above. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 16:20, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The text “The group consisted of Niall Horan, Harry Styles, Louis Tomlinson, Zayn Malik until his departure in 2015, and Liam Payne, until his death in 2024.” is incorrect. It implies that the group consisted of along others Liam Payne, until his death. This is incorrect. The group disbanded long before his death. His death was not a reason for the group not consisting of him anymore. The disbandment of the group was the reason for that. Grimey2k (talk) 12:06, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Grimey2k: Please see the discussion above. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 15:00, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@14.0.158.69 Don't manually removed contents and disguised it to archive and use the RfC as an excuse for your unreasonable reasons. Then archiver bot shouldn't place here if we can just manually archive every discussion here. 𝙹𝚒𝚢𝚊𝚗 忌炎 (𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔) 08:44, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Archive can be done by either manual or bot. what's the problem? 14.0.158.69 (talk) 08:51, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This page is set up for automatic archiving by lowercase sigmabot III (talk · contribs), please leave archiving to that bot. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 08:54, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Correct and some of it can be useful for other user who will visit this talk page so they will not repeat the same edit requests over and over because of the recent events. 𝙹𝚒𝚢𝚊𝚗 忌炎 (𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔) 08:56, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On talk pages that generate significant amounts of discussion, old discussions are often archived to keep the size of the talk page at a manageable level. This may be done either manually or with the help of a bot. An archive box with links to the discussion archives is normally placed at the top of the current talk page. per WP:TP. We need the size of the talk page at a manageable level therefore manual archive. 14.0.158.69 (talk) 09:10, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]