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You are invited to this discussion board regarding first and list game listings. BattleshipMan (talk) 15:09, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The beast is alive now. I'm sure that the intervening three months will be smooth sailing as they usually are or maybe I'll have better luck at getting pigs to fly. Deadman137 (talk) 03:37, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Deadman137: It's a bit unprecedented to have the article start this early, but that's just because of how Boston has been doing. I expect April to be more contentious. With how smooth things were last year, I have a feeling some big issue will be raised by a random user. Conyo14 (talk) 09:02, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Given some of the fanbases that will be in this year's playoffs you can count on at least a few of them providing their "expert" opinions. The one possible unknown could be how annoying Seattle fans might potentially be. Otherwise it will just be the usual annoyances of Boston and Toronto fans, with honourable mention going to Edmonton fans. There are other fanbases that can be disruptive, but they're unlikely to make the playoffs this year. Deadman137 (talk) 14:34, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No one has done this yet but if anyone adds a note about the Devils making the playoffs in the article lead, feel free to remove it. A team has to go six years or longer between playoff appearances to get a mention in that section. Deadman137 (talk) 02:43, 26 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

We're going to need a bit of a rush on the Toronto/Tampa series preview as the seeding is now confirmed. Deadman137 (talk) 03:05, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Deadman137: Looks like I got beaten to the punch. Fortunately, it was a well-respected user that did it.Conyo14 (talk) 17:24, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have a feeling that they might have copy, pasted and tweaked the work of another respected editor from a previous year. Deadman137 (talk) 17:39, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for removing some of the usual nonsense that gets added to the article at this time of year. Keep the Washington getting eliminated from the main article unless the Penguins and Predators both miss the playoffs as well. If those three teams all miss the playoffs then I'll have to include a blurb about it as they had the three longest active playoff streaks entering the season. If it does happen the longest active playoff streak in the NHL shifts to Boston and Toronto. Deadman137 (talk) 01:48, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Deadman137: Good to know. We'll see what happens in the next few days. Conyo14 (talk) 19:08, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not that you cannot figure this out on your own but we finally got some useful results. Winnipeg will play Edmonton or Vegas, LA or Seattle will draw the Central winner and the Wild and Rangers are locked as the three seed in their divisions. I'm planning to hold back the bracket until Thursday night. Deadman137 (talk) 04:45, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Deadman137: Is there a way to notify an admin about perhaps blocking a certain master? Conyo14 (talk) 21:53, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I already did that, but another editor reported them at WP:ANI before I could get a response from the admin. They've been blocked for 48 hours, so we'll wait to see if they move on or go back to resuming their battleground ways.

Thank you for helping out with them. Deadman137 (talk) 22:08, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Deadman137: Not a problem. I will mention a TV schedule for ABC/ESPN throughout the playoffs has been leaked/created by Sports Media Watch (This site is good for collecting TV data, but really bad about predicting the future). So just watch out for any users wanting to make quick decisions on the TV schedule. Conyo14 (talk) 22:35, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I just looked at it, at this point it's just speculative TBD. We will see most of, if not all of it tomorrow night unless something wonky happens. Deadman137 (talk) 22:44, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Deadman137: In the span of an hour, Mastergerwe97 has gone from simple annoyance to indefinitely blocked. That was quite the escalation. Conyo14 (talk) 22:59, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I saw that too, same thing happened two months ago to Rupertslander as well, though not as dramatically as this. Sadly some editors just don't have the temperament needed to be effective here. In 2021 I tried to explain to Mastergerwe97 what issues that they needed to work on to be effective, but I guess that the advice was not taken. Deadman137 (talk) 23:07, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Mastergerwe97 is the IP editor, do you want to get an admin to block the article? Deadman137 (talk) 01:44, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Deadman137: I have placed it onto the ANI. IP will likely be blocked, but I'm not sure how likely the page can be protected. Conyo14 (talk) 01:56, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Well that was a fun night, for the most part. The main article is protected through the end of the season. I have a feeling that our annoying friend will try to find more ways around their block, but at this point they're only making it easier for us to keep them out. Deadman137 (talk) 06:56, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Deadman137: It was certainly fun. Your friend at 2022 Stanley Cup playoffs, Khoa, is still adamant about changing the Announcers list. Conyo14 (talk) 16:21, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm good at making friends with disruptive editors. There always seems to be somebody around here that wants to metaphorically hang themselves. Usually by the third round the problem editors disappear for a while, but the openness of the platform is both a benefit and a problem. Deadman137 (talk) 17:33, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Whatever happens just be ready with the Second Round series preview and then do the first round summary, I'd rather see that the preview be done right the first time. Deadman137 (talk) 01:09, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Roger that. A Bruins victory could have more vandalism. Watch for that.

Conyo14 (talk) 01:12, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong preview, you brought Toronto/Boston instead of Toronto/Florida. Deadman137 (talk) 02:04, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I got rushed, still AFK. Conyo14 (talk) 02:36, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to my world, though I did screw up the goalies in one of the games earlier this round and it was a good thing no one saw how the Oilers/Kings game looked at one point yesterday...

On an unrelated note we have an edit warrior at List of NHL franchise post-season droughts. Do you want to revert it back to my last good edit, I'd do it myself, but I have to start on the ridiculous prep for this next game. Deadman137 (talk) 03:06, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Deadman137: Why? I mean understand it's annoying, but is there a precedent I need to relate this to? It would make it easier to justify my reverting. Conyo14 (talk) 03:43, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's the only article that gets updated at the end of each round or the end of the playoffs because you get too many errors if you don't restrict it. The article is full of hidden notes stating this and it's been that way for years. Deadman137 (talk) 03:51, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Deadman137: New odd stat found: Most road games won in the First Round. Prior record was 30 in 2012, this year is 31 and counting. The total record is 47 from 2012. I figured if the total record is broken this can mentioned at the end of the playoffs. Conyo14 (talk) 04:40, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Deadman137: Cheers on another Stanley Cup playoffs season! With the page begin protected, it helped a lot. Hopefully, the master does not return with a vengeance. I'm just glad this playoffs is finally over. It took way too long. Conyo14 (talk) 03:13, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It did help a lot. As always, we couldn't have done it without your constant efforts. Though it was a long playoffs it was only 88 games officially. Deadman137 (talk) 03:24, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The only potential issues remaining with tiebreakers involve Toronto and Vegas (ignoring unless they play eachother). No matter what happens with Colorado they will be tied with somebody. The Avalanche lose any tiebreakers that they would be involved in; they tie the Rangers if they lose in regulation tonight (see Toronto/Vegas), they tie Dallas with an overtime loss (have to deal with) and they tie Edmonton with a win (Toronto/Vegas again). Deadman137 (talk) 13:04, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This won't matter unless they face each other though. Conyo14 (talk) 16:16, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Pretty much, except for the Colorado/Dallas one because that's would be an opening round seeding issue. Deadman137 (talk) 17:22, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If Seattle goes full Vegas 2018 or Florida 1996 on us the relevant history from the Metropolitans was easy to dig up. The last Semifinalish appearance was in 1921 as the PCHA winner advanced directly to the Finals, Seattle lost that series. Last Finals appearance was in 1920 against the original Ottawa Senators. The only other team that would require us to go back more than a century into the history books would be Winnipeg going to the Finals, but we've dealt with the Winnipeg Maple Leafs stuff before in 2018. Deadman137 (talk) 22:11, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oh jeez. Winnipeg gets more credit for having teams that went to and won the Stanley Cup back in the challenge-era. However, for Seattle's sake, it's a bit easier to explain the circumstances regarding their Stanley Cup Finals/potential victory. Conyo14 (talk) 22:54, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I know about the Winnipeg thing that you mentioned, but they have to make the Finals and win before that's applicable. Vancouver also has a historical look up but that would only apply if they won the Cup. The only other North American cities with Stanley Cup Finals ties that might get a team in the future are Portland and Quebec City. There are other Canadian cities that participated in some early form of the playoffs, but they're all too small of a market to get a team. Deadman137 (talk) 22:46, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

When the Colorado/Seattle series ends, be on the lookout for people trying to add that game three was the first Stanley Cup playoff game in Seattle in 104 years. It was not, the last playoff game in Seattle was 99 years ago and we've already covered it in the article.

Thank you for removing the vandalism in the 2021 article, though you missed the previous edit that was also vandalism. So if you get a notification that I removed your edit on the 2021 article it was only to remove the other piece of vandalism. Deadman137 (talk) 14:23, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Deadman137: Maybe that's what I meant ;). Thank you though. On another note, when is the last time the city of Seattle won a playoff game? Conyo14 (talk) 16:02, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Also, an odd stat, but the Maple Leafs have lost 11 straight series-clinching games. The record is 12 held by the Winnipeg Jets/Phoenix/Arizona Coyotes.Conyo14 (talk) 16:15, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The last time a team from Seattle won a playoff game prior to this year was game 4 of the 1920 Stanley Cup Finals against the original Ottawa Senators. Last they won a game in Seattle game 3 of the 1919 Finals against the Canadiens.

It doesn't surprise me that the Jets/Coyotes have that record, mainly because of late 80s and early 90s Alberta teams. If they lose game 6 put in the summary, if they lose game 7 move it from 6 to 7. Deadman137 (talk) 00:19, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

For Vegas/Edmonton: Game 2 was scheduled for May 5 but was delayed one day due to scheduling conflicts in the Miami area that affected the Maple Leafs and Panthers series and league's desire to have a Saturday night game for Hockey Night in Canada.

That's my initial take, feel free to play with it. I don't know if this would be best for the series or the media section, but I'll leave that decision in your capable hands. Deadman137 (talk) 01:46, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Deadman137: I added it into the media section, but I might have to include a whole paragraph about this separate from the series recap if I add it to the series. It might be redundant in that case. Conyo14 (talk) 06:17, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If you do decide to add it to the series summary look at the second sentence of the second paragraph in the 2020 Boston/Carolina series as a guide, as that would be about the depth of coverage needed. If you don't add it that's fine too, like I said I'm leaving it in your hands because I don't have a strong opinion on this either way. Deadman137 (talk) 21:37, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Given the Panthers expansive playoff history they have never swept anyone to date. Oh, and I did tweak what you added to media section. Deadman137 (talk) 04:22, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Deadman137: That's good to know, that will be if it happens it happens. Also, thank you! Conyo14 (talk) 04:27, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Anytime, though if anyone deserves thanks it's you for taking that semi garbled mess that I gave you yesterday and you turned it into something readable. Deadman137 (talk) 05:48, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The master of disaster showed up yesterday at 2021 NHL Entry Draft and I found out that they were using a different IP and editing the 2023 NBA playoffs article. Both IPs have been reported at WP:SPI. Deadman137 (talk) 21:25, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Good. The NBA Playoffs article is most certainly that master. This IP at the Entry Draft could be a Padawan though. Mastergerwe only does things related to Boston-area sports teams. Luke Hughes is a Devil, so it might be a Devils fan. Conyo14 (talk) 21:29, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Their primary interest is Boston teams, but they will work on small things related to other teams. It is possible that this is another user, but the talk page interaction and written formatting are too advanced for a new editor and their formatting style closely match what I've seen in the past. Deadman137 (talk) 02:53, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This may not be necessary, last time the same two teams played in consecutive multi-overtime games was only two years ago; Carolina/Nashville Central First was the series. Deadman137 (talk) 03:00, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Guess we don't have to worry about that now. Though Tkachuk became the fourth player to score three overtime goals in one playoff year. Deadman137 (talk) 03:11, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I am more interested in the streak of overtime goals they have right now. For the past nine overtime games for Florida across multiple seasons, they've won each one. The streak for a single playoff run is 10, Florida is at 6. The record across multiple seasons is 14. Conyo14 (talk) 03:35, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Deadman137: To add, the Panthers have won 8 consecutive road games. 2 more to tie the record for the most. Conyo14 (talk) 04:05, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

They're also tied with the '80 Islanders for second most road overtime wins (5) in a playoff year. '93 Canadiens have the record at six. Deadman137 (talk) 20:11, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If you've seen this [1] already I apologize, if you haven't, you're welcome. Deadman137 (talk) 04:30, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Deadman137: I did. I had hoped the series would end tonight to guarantee a May start time. Saturday is the determining factor now, but this season has been dragged on a little too long. Conyo14 (talk) 04:45, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've been in that mode since the middle of the last round. You have no idea how many nights I've been coming in hot during this round. Now that there are some off days I'm starting to catch up on things. Deadman137 (talk) 03:02, 28 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Deadman137: I will be AFK for maybe 30 minutes, so if the game ends in regulation for Vegas, the series preview and path for Vegas is in my sandbox. Conyo14 (talk) 02:12, 28 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Got it. Deadman137 (talk) 02:14, 28 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

First quadruple overtime in a Conference Final/Stanley Cup Semifinal since 1951. Hopefully this game does not break the record for the longest game in this round's history as that would break the league record. Deadman137 (talk) 05:15, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I'll definitely make sure to put that in. 7th longest I believe. Conyo14 (talk) 05:55, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

6th, it was 32 seconds longer than Pittsburgh/Washington. Though we should have expected it to happen this year as the six longest games occurred in 1933 and 36, 2000 and 03, and of course the two that we got to cover in 20 and 23. Deadman137 (talk) 02:13, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! I recently closed the RFC on whether short references to a Stanley Cup round should be capitalized. Today, I stumbled upon 2023 Stanley Cup playoffs, and I noticed that each of the top-level sections that were short references featured capitalization ("First Round", "Second Round", "Conference Finals").

I was initially going to change the sections myself (to "First round", "Second round", etc.), thinking the article was a straggler that hadn't yet been changed, but then I noticed that the same capitalization was in the 2022 Stanley Cup playoffs, 2021 Stanley Cup playoffs ... and so on. As such, because I don't really want to make a controversial edit, I figured I should check here. (I'd like to pull Deadman137 and Dicklyon in here, since they seemed to be the most active participants in the last discussion and they might have thoughts on this.) Could anyone confirm to me whether there's some sort of exception that would exempt those section headings from the RFC result? --Jerome Frank Disciple 21:50, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The only exception made was for Stanley Cup Finals. Dicklyon has a script that can go through these articles and mass change them. I'm not sure when the script will come by to change them though. Otherwise, I'll change them when the Finals end. Conyo14 (talk) 23:12, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, okay! I know even less about scripts than I do about sports, so I will leave you all to it :) Thanks, --Jerome Frank Disciple 23:30, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I also don't know about scripts. I use JWB (javascript wiki browser, which is a script, just as most web pages are, but to me it's basically just a gnarly web form). I have to first generate a list of candidate articles to edit, and specify a set of patterns to replace (using "regular expressions", which I'm also pretty new to), and look at and confirm each edit. For things this widespread I have at times request help from someone who has a bot, but that's a hard process, too. So I can't say I'll ever get to every instance of such things needing to be fixed, but I'll make a special effort on those. Dicklyon (talk) 16:12, 7 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Dicklyon: There's no rush, so don't worry. Conyo14 (talk) 16:17, 7 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The potential exception for Final was not really discussed; it was just disclaimed as being part of the narrow RFC. Dicklyon (talk) 16:13, 7 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's a trademarked term. Deadman137 (talk) 03:27, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Deadman137: Believe me, I will vehemently defend Final(s) if this ever becomes an issue. I was undecided at first, but Final(s) deserves to be capitalized like NBA Finals, World Series, and Super Bowl. Conyo14 (talk) 03:35, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You won't have to per WP:MOSTM. Deadman137 (talk) 03:41, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have a dog here, but I do have to admit that I didn't quite follow the reasoning as to F/finals was excluded—I'm not saying it shouldn't have been excluded, but I think some more discussion might be necessary.

The question here is whether "F/final", alone, is capitalized, right? The fact that the "Stanley Cup Finals" is trademarked doesn't fully answer that question. Sure, we'd capitalize "the Golden Knights" (I had to Google that) when referring to the "Vegas Golden Knights". But "NHL StanleyCup Playoffs" is a trademarked term in the same way that NHL Stanley Cup Final is a trademarked term. Yet we say "Stanley Cup playoffs".

So I guess the question is, when someone just says "the finals", are they invoking the general concept of the finals, which you can do regardless of sport or league, or are they invoking a trademarked phrase? I'm not sure! Based on the arguments in the RFC, I think we'd want to look at what reliable sources do—in sentences where they say "the finals" and not "the Stanley Cup Finals" ... what do they do?

(Side note: I did notice this sentence I was reading a New York Times article on the NBA Finals this past week: Jokic was named the most valuable player of the finals, a nice complement to his two regular-season M.V.P. Awards.--Jerome Frank Disciple 12:16, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Jerome Frank Disciple: It definitely requires more discussion. However, because the Finals are not only trademarked, but also the final series of the postseason, we would run into more issues lowercasing than not. A view of the Finals/Final on Ngram generates more for uppercase than lowercase and there are far more reliable sources that capitalize than not. It was the lone exception that Finals for the Stanley Cup Finals be left alone, but other finals be lowercased. At the time of me writing the RfC, I didn't really think to dissociate between the terms, but honestly, I changed my mind on Finals for Stanley Cup Finals. Conyo14 (talk) 14:25, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I appreciate the extra explainer—I couldn't quite pick up on that from the RFC discussion. And sorry for the delay in reply, my notifications got bombed by a couple insane megathreads elsewhere. Thanks again, --Jerome Frank Disciple 14:08, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Why do I feel like we're being made to be the latest target of ITN's "le sports bad" crowd? The Kip (talk) 02:08, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@The Kip: I'm not even sure why you're being involved. Deadman137, Zzyzx11, Ho-ju-96, and myself are the main contributors to the page. I think this article was ITN like a few times, but back then there were more secondary sources. I wouldn't bother with this though. I only care if they add unnecessary Cn's across the board. Conyo14 (talk) 02:16, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm working my way through it to slim down details solely to what's in the articles, as timestamping it is just ruthlessly tedious work.

While not often involved in that page specifically, I'm involved enough in both WP:IH and ITN to both want to see it posted and be once again insulted by the anti-sports crowd at ITN. The Kip (talk) 02:19, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

More like the anti-ice hockey crowd. I appreciate it though. Conyo14 (talk) 02:34, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Didn't have time to do citations for the finals appearance column, but everything not directly from the game recap should be timestamped now. That was brutal. The Kip (talk) 03:07, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@The Kip: Now you see where I'm coming from. Totally unnecessary. Conyo14 (talk) 03:08, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Could you do me a favor and merge NHL on Versus into NHL on NBC? I COULD make an account and do it myself, but I prefer to remain anonymous. 100.7.44.80 (talk) 18:06, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]