Talk:DBFS: Difference between revisions

We don't delete things just because they aren't sourced. Do you have reason to believe that it is wrong? — Omegatron 05:58, 9 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Omegatron, Your statement does not address the concerns. Please, understand that that text has no notability which is one of the 5 Wikipedia pillars. Evinatea 06:05, 9 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This is in reply to the helpme request. In fact, Evinatea is right: we do delete text that is not sourced. See the policy WP:ATT, which states: "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is whether material is attributable to a reliable published source, not whether it is true. (...) Editors should provide attribution for quotations and for any material that is challenged or likely to be challenged, or it may be removed. The burden of evidence lies with the editor wishing to add or retain the material." – Accordingly, I've provisionally deleted the contested text; please only reintroduce it when accompanied by a reliable source preferably in the form of a inline reference. Sandstein 06:26, 9 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Omegatron, I don't know what caused you to commit this error in judgment. Just because you are an administrator, it doesn't give you special privileges. Your status, however, does merit the benefit of the doubt.

You also need to explain to the Wikipedia community, why you believe that the definition on the dBDF page is not sufficient and that it's justified the inclusion of the external links that point out at a commercial business website, as well as, a "Jim" so and so engineer website.

These are serious issues that must be addressed right away. And thanks very much Sandstein for your reassertion of the Wikipedia terms. Evinatea 07:08, 9 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure what you're saying here, but it's obvious that you don't want Wikipedia to link to these sites. But read what Sandstein just said. Just having a Wikipedia page that says something is not really sufficient. We need to cite external sources.

While it is not, in fact, true that we delete text just because it's not sourced (we'd have to delete most of the encyclopedia!), it is very important to include references whenever possible. This allows errors in our articles to be spotted and corrected more quickly, and helps prevent vandalism or intentional deception from being interpreted as fact. — Omegatron 08:48, 9 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

{{help me}}

Hello Omegatron, Thanks for admitting being wrong.

Now, to my next argument or point:

I have raised serious concerns of SPAM by 2 web sites. So, let me put it to you like this, since you are challenged to understand:

The text content offered by your link re-submissions do not add new definitions and in fact, they are redundant. You volunteered at Wikipedia to check for possible conflict of interests whenever external links are posted and so far, all you have done is to justify their inclusion without any other justification but your own POV.

The Jim Coletti claim issue is over and has nothing to do with the links re-instated by you also on yesterday.

And again, these reference links offer a redundant definition and might actually constitute a "conflict of interest" or SPAM.

See Wikipedia Internet guides:

Wikipedia articles should not exist only to describe the nature, appearance or services a website offers...."

The issue at hand right now is, why are those 2 links that point to conflict of interest relevant? One more thing, the JIMXXXX.com link points first at the definition dB not dBFS. Evinatea 15:52, 9 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hello - does anybody need help here? If you do, just add a question and tag with {{helpme}} again! --h2g2bob 16:06, 9 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As for the issue in hand, I feel the text is notable (assuming the page is) - many pages include mention of who coined the phrase. However, it could be trimmed to remove the waffle - I'd suggest "The phrase was first introduced by James Colotti during the RF Expo East in Boston Massachusetts in November of 1987." Unless you think the information is not true, I'd suggest tagging it with a {{fact}} (citation needed) tag, and someone will find a source at some point.

Wikipedia expects you cite sources for any facts which are likely to be disputed. However, as anyone can write web pages and blogs, these are not sufficient to verify the information is accurate. You should only cite reliable sources. --h2g2bob 16:20, 9 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Can someone explain what direction the scale is in - if the clipping line is zero, does the scale go positive or negative above it? --h2g2bob 17:16, 9 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dear H2g2bob,

Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a publisher of original thought. The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is whether material is attributable to a reliable published source, not whether it is true. Wikipedia is not the place to publish your opinions, experiences, or arguments.

Please refrain from making erroneous statements that may confuse the issue at hand.

There were 2 issues:

First, administrator Omegatron undeleted the external links I removed several days ago because they offer a redundant definition and pointed coveniently at Rane Corp. and JimXXXX site.

Second, I took out of the page definition yesterday, a claim that had no verification (See history). Then, administrator Omegatron contentiously reverted my edit and stated: "We don't delete things just because they aren't sourced".

He has admitted being wrong on this second point but not the first one.

If you want to help H2g2bob, try to explain on behalf of Omegatron, why the use of those 2 top links (see article's external links) that were re-posted by him and which point to the Rane Corp. and an engineer's web site, merit their inclusion on the article. Period. If you can't, I politely request that you stay out of the discussion. Evinatea 17:58, 9 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]