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If you have the capacity to tremble with indignation every time that an injustice is committed in the world, then we are comrades. – Che.

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El C, contrary to your edit summary- I noticed you were gone, and missed seeing you on recent changes. You are one of my favourite editors. This is for you. Regards, dvdrw 04:34, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yay! Many chipthanks for the kind words. Greatly appreciated. Best, El_C 06:49, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well I noticed and missed you! (Official circular here). Novickas (talk) 12:40, 30 September 2008 (UTC) Thought of you while uploading this picture [1]... for all of your work. Novickas (talk) 17:35, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks! El_C 11:27, 3 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sort of in a hole and am having difficulties submerging. Speaking of holes/that chippie, I got to do some visiting in its burro recently...

You look really good in your purple hat! Bishonen | talk 00:19, 4 November 2008 (UTC).[reply]

Free hat! Today, while cheekadeepetting, this lady who saw us from a far, came over and said: "Can I tell you something...? You're an angel of God."(!) To which I of course replied: "All hail Atheismo!" [nah, I said: "thank you, maddam, that's very kind of you" — what else could I say?] I took an especially neat cheekadeepetting photograph today: it remained visible between my thumb and index as it flew away, giving the illusion it was bee-sized! What an unexpected, and sweet, effect! El_C 02:48, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, Capitano, where do you get a large enough sweater for a person with that hand? Bishonen | talk 20:18, 5 November 2008 (UTC).[reply]

And then there's Skunky! El_C 14:00, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Combine obvious love of animals with photography results in photographic win! — Coren ^(talk) 15:09, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Great to learn that peoples (plural!) like! Chickadee says hi! El_C 14:00, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. Thanks, SqueakBox 23:14, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thx, everyone! Happy 2009! El_C 12:55, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Happy day! Jehochman ^Talk 19:52, 2 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

El C, I've been meaning to ask for ages. What is the link between revolutionary socialism and chimpunks? Did I miss that bit in Animal Farm? Is it something to do with resting the means of damn making from beavers? --Joopercoopers (talk) 11:39, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No link; but are you referring to Groundhog? (see left) There is a Groundhog-Chippie connection, which I was trying to further cultivate (see right). El_C 11:48, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Love is in the air ....dooooo .....dooo.dooo ......doooo ......dooo.doooo ." --Joopercoopers (talk) 11:55, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I'm envious. You get to pet ALL the fuzzeh creatures!  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  01:40, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Let me know when it is out, and you will up your sales by one. :-) KillerChihuahua^?!? 09:22, 10 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Just for information at the moment: are you able to do revision deletions? Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 19:47, 16 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Affirmative. El_C 20:46, 16 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

OK, thanks. There are a couple of admins I usually contact when I see something that needs to deleted, but unfortunately they let real life interfere with their admin duties. You are online a lot at the same times I am, so it's good to have another person to contact if needed. I generally only ask personally if it's both serious and urgent. - BilCat (talk) 02:29, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, by all means. If I'm around, please don't hesitate. El_C 02:30, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks very much. I realize.my wording above presumes you'd be willing, and that I didn't actually ask, so thanks. :) - BilCat (talk) 04:01, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I can live with your highly arbitrary closing summary of the RfC on the Talk page, so I do not want to persuade you to change it. However, you closed other on-going debates as well. Could you open the other debates? Thank you. Borsoka (talk) 05:57, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, the thanks I get! El_C 05:58, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Talk:And Then There Were None#RfC: And Then There Were None and racial language
• Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Politics#Request for comments on the 'political position' parameter of the political party infobox
• Talk:Romania#RfC
• Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#RfC: HispanTV
• Wikipedia talk:Requests for adminship#Is RfX a vote, or a consensus discussion? (RfC)
• Talk:Civil Rights Act of 1968#Merger of Fair Housing Act and Indian Civil Rights Act of 1968 into this article
• Talk:WikiLeaks#RFC: Murder Of Seth Rich content dispute
• Talk:Athens News#Request for comment
• Talk:SNC-Lavalin affair#RfC: LavScam
• Talk:Christchurch mosque shootings#RfC: Change "white supremacist" to "white nationalist"

El_C 06:06, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Precious

Three years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:11, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Nice. Thanks, Gerda! El_C 08:24, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. Good day, see? Take music and flowers to your liking ;) - It's great to see your name so often on my watchlist. One area where I often wait for admin action - not now - is WP:ITNN, where we nominate for recent deaths to be shown on th Main page, and often the time between an article found [Ready] and then is [Posted] seems [too] long to still call it recent. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:32, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, good ol' ITNC —where I got no credit for being the first to have  Posted the Corona virus outbreak, but upon (admittedly, perhaps somewhat prematurely) doing the same for the Kirk Douglas RD got a what-the-fuck-barbeque— it's a magical place! El_C 11:28, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I see, sorry for touching some wound ;) - Same for me: last year, I nominated a great pianist for RD, after I first had create an article which took time, and then carried away to also make it decent, - and by then her death was so long ago that she wasn't mentioned at all. The more woman, and the more foreign, that danger seems imminent, and if I may bother you in case I seee it coming again, that would be great. At present, it's a man, listed 20 Feb (although who knows if that was the day?), and nobody even commented yet, so nothing to be concerned about right now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:27, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, by all means, if you feel Peter Dreher is [Ready], let me know so I could do the honours. El_C 12:53, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I nominated him, so am not the most independent to judge ;) - and I'm already busy with the next, a woman, but mostly not foreign. - I really think we have some unintended bias there: the most prominent figures (white U.S. males) get speedy attention, and appear soon at the top position, while the female foreigners - often reported late to start with - take so long to even be noticed that they get only a place towards the end, finally, - as long as we go by date of death and not "in at the top". Result: those who are promminent already get preferred showing, more in front, and longer. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:04, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, countering systemic bias is a treacherous mistress — though in the case of Kirk Douglas, I have to admit my own affinity for his admirable work countering the Hollywood blacklist... Anyway, +Peter Dreher to RD. El_C 13:16, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

February flowers

Alte Liebe

Thank you, love-ly! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:42, 24 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I nominated the poet for ITNN. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:36, 24 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

At the [Ready]! El_C 14:48, 24 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

and posted ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:28, 24 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That was quick! I helped? El_C 17:33, 24 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

think so ;) - today's Alte Liebe became especially meaningful after yesterday's funeral. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:21, 28 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Next foreign women RD: Odile Pierre. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:12, 2 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Gerda Arendt: sorry for the belated response — I overlooked your last message. Apologies for not being able to assist with that one. Please don't hesitate to list more. I'll try to be more cognizant of this thread next time, I promise. El_C 03:28, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

To help me better remember! El_C 05:10, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Gerda’s corner is lovely. When I have more time in my life and can do things beyond blocking socks, I plan to spend time there getting some of the Holy Thursday hymns on the main page. Gerda, if it’s not too late to find one, let me know. The Pange Lingua is always a first choice, but if there are any others you can think of, I’m open. TonyBallioni (talk) 05:26, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Also, El C’s talk page is lovely, especially for his hosting my musing about music he likely doesn’t care about one iota! TonyBallioni (talk) 05:28, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I like all kinds of music, including of the eclectic and esoteric variaty — lately I've been Dimashing it up (special thanks goes to Jasmin Ariane!). El_C 05:32, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Lovely corner, thank you! Today is The day of music, two choirs singing. I'd like Beati improved - but it's in the evensong, perhaps I'll get to a few more lines. On IWD, I should also get Elinor Ross in better shape ... - but singing comes first. Listen to Beati by voces8, another article needing improvement. Singing comes first ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:41, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

On the ITNN page, 6 Mar, Carsten Bresch. We will possibly never know when he died, but should use 6 - when the world was informed - as the day by which we go. I may be alone with that view ;) - Lovely lively colours! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:24, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Expect the sky to fall at ITNC — posted with Mar 0? (!). El_C 13:34, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for posting, and I added "Posted", but don't want to pass credits. DYK you know that it is as easy as clicking on the words "credit" in the nom? Nice progress on the soprano, but out for singing (alto), second round. A good source for her death would be a nice addition, anyone. this is all Spanish to me, and the English one is a blog. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:04, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

nom done, and the credits were done by someone else - bedtime --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:19, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sleep tight. El_C 23:27, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

done also, and she's there - today's topic seem to be errors (3) in the OTD section of the Main page. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:28, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Amakuru took care of that! - What should I do about this decline? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:58, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If you're confident it's good, I would move it to main namespace nonetheless. El_C 10:07, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

How about you? - I asked the decliner for reasoning, but got no answer. I think it might be better if it's not a personal thing between them and me, so an independent pair of eyes might help. - I don't go via AfC, nor does my friend LouisAlain, but last year many of his translations were sent to draft space, for lack of refs, just because de and fr have different ideas about referencing. I try to rescue, that's all. Then get a ridiculous template on my talk recommending the Teahouse, and still see the ridiculous decline template recommending to seek help from an experienced editor, - the things we do to voluntary contributors ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:31, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done. Mainspacified. And I didn't even visit the Teahouse! El_C 13:37, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

pacified ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:26, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for tagging me, El_C! Concerning Dimash: Oh wow, I really didn't expect that! But I'm happy you enjoy it! It's funny, it's not even a genre I usually listen to. But the first time I heard him 2 years ago, I immediately loved his music. I love his voice, his emotional interpretation; and his vocal skill, range and versatility are just enormous. And he seems to be a very nice and humble guy, which makes it even easier to like him. PS: "eclectic and esoteric variety"? Wow, that sounds interesting. Jasmin Ariane (talk) 21:55, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

♫ Welcome to the corner, Jasmin! Yes, I love Dimash's Sinful Passion, New Wave, SOS d'un terrien en détresse, Ogni Pietra (Olimpico), Opera 2, and more. Indeed, music-wise, I'm all over the place. Yesterday, I was listening to the Mahavishnu Orchestra, I'm listening to Charlie Byrd right now (because I love bossa nova, above all else), and I'm listening to the China Philharmonic Orchestra in the car currently. So, yeah, all over the place. Welcome, again! ♫ El_C 16:47, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hellebore

Want a drink in darkness? - Schloss Freudenberg --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:38, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Somehow, I don't really see that concept spreading to other bars... Back to out previous conversation, somewhat, a different kind of Green: "MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE - A Randy Rainbow Song Parody" (just released). El_C 14:51, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I missed Mathsci for two years. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:14, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Criss-crossing paths... El_C 15:16, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

BWV 1, concertante violin 1 --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:19, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's right, I remember seeing that. El_C 15:24, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Did you ever click on Reformation on my user page, first occurence? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:02, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I have clicked on all of the (longstanding) links on your userpage. El_C 16:08, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I am impressed. ... and follow to what the first 2 had discussed, and used, and then one of them needed it, and probably had known that all the time? ... which was my user page lead until 2021 when I decided people hovering over my name should see a pic I took. The last time I used it was for Cassianto, 24 May 2020. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:51, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, but otherwise, your userpage isn't easy to parse, due to the fact that you actually use it. I edit mine like once a decade. El_C 18:00, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I copied that from BarkingMoon including the top icon - a bird on the Main page today --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:07, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Love it when the Main page gets that much colour. I noticed that article yesterday and thought: wow, those birds are almost as iridescent as Hummingbirds , which are... well, kinda the best! El_C 18:18, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

yes --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:25, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Opa is now on the Main page, Wilhelm Knabe, who stood up for future with the striking school children when he was in his 90s, - a model, - see here. - Further down on the page, there are conversations about the current arb case request - I feel I have to stay away - in a nutshell: "... will not improve kindness, nor any article". - Yesterday, I made sure on a hike that the flowers are actually blooming ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:13, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yay for Green Opa! This made my day! El_C 16:24, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Today, we have Doris Stockhausen on her 97th birthday ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:34, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Till 120! El_C 15:39, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

External videos
Bitter-sweet groove (translation unavailable on request!)

Spiel nicht mit den Schmuddelkindern ... anticipated protest --- and listen, not to me, but the music (in the article) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:49, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

... and after the music, please listen to User talk:Nikkimaria --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:39, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand. There's a YouTube video at the bottom of the page, but it's just some people talking in German (which I don't-Opa-understand) alongside some German folk music (not my cup of tea). Then, you link to Nikkimaria's talk page as an ill with numbers and stuff, but it still only links to their main user talk page. Quite confusing. El_C 13:48, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

entirely my fault, I thought I had the video in the article, but no, only on the talk of Martinevans123, and when I'm absent-minded, I confuse ill and diff, Nikkimaria. But hurray, I just expanded the soprano, sufficiently I hope. Need fresh air now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:49, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I didn't really like that song. Didn't dislike it either. Was just kinda meh. Personally, I prefer the Israeli children songs I grew up on, like הילדה הכי יפה בגן, for example. El_C 16:08, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mr. Degenhardt would have been delighted! Not a song to be liked, - did you read the quote which I translated (improving on Deeple) per the talk request. Song talk about unpleasant smells, ending with a crime and a corpse swimming ... while the surviving grubby children keep singing that you better don't play with them. - Thanks for yours. Did you read my advice for M? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:33, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I did not. Quoted where? Also, after Opa, I'm afraid to ask, but what's a "Deeple"? Yes, I saw it. Sound advise, but I'm still concerned that further cognizance will nonetheless be needed in order to avoid utter disaster in the future. El_C 16:45, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

my next mistake, DeepL - as you know everything about me you'll know that I am an infobox warrior who had to be restricted by arbcom to prevent utter disaster in the future. For 2 years I was too proud to appeal. I should have known SBHB's advice in the case, but then we might not have gotten to Beethoven ;) - RfC for Ian Fleming, and I stay away, I stay away, I don't play that game any more - please, be never afraid to ask! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:03, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Matti Caspi laments about how many songs can even be created, but does so in a song he created (כמה שירים אפשר להמציא בכלל), so there you go. Take that, eternity! El_C 17:13, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Gerda doesn't lament but enjoys the support by Brian, continued when others called her guilty, - always trying to mediate. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:56, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Tis the season for bitter-sweet...? Also, trying something (top of section — EEng uncredited mention). El_C 18:45, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

look --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:34, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

did you? - interesting bitter-sweet today --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:35, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I did in passing, but I just am not in the headspace for riddles today, I'm afraid. But I did like File:Idstein,_Unytsjerke._Oersjoch_ynterieur.jpg. Almost-but-not-quite grand; warm but-not-quite gaudy. Sorry, I haven't heard of that translator before. Did you know her, personally? El_C 23:01, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. The church pic - as you will have seen - is in my user infobox for 2021. I don't know the singer personally, but she sang for us several times, Bach's great works (all explained if you follow the link, also (below there) that some like to receive my thanks and appreciation), and she sang recently in cantata services that I pictured (her page). On all these pictures, she is too small for "about her", and my lead is smaller "about me", of course. - I knew nothing about the translator, but she was a red link on Deaths in 2021. The bitter-sweetness is between her and her ex-husband, a novelist with an article who wrote her obit. (They had four children when they were divorced, and now he has ten.) - The delegate called me to task for the Bach cantata, so I will have to not follow spontaneous impulses for a few days, - hope no one dies whose article has to be written. In the cantata, BWV 1, I have a problem. The article was all built on one source (and all other Bach cantatas at the time also, btw) which one user denies reliability. I wanted to keep it, supporting it for all facts - only recordings, anyway - by a second source, trying to be faithful to the article history and to retain what editors did before me. He removed it. Quite generally, I have a problem with expansions which ignore what former editors achieved, see BWV 53 and Ian Fleming for recently mentioned examples. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:42, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, just read that at: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/feb/08/dr-vera-wulfing-leckie-obituary — I see what you mean. Right, I knew it (the church) looked familiar. Hope you're able to resolve your BWV 1 problem. I'd offer to help, but I'd probably just mess it up, anyway. El_C 16:55, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You will not mess anything up if you look at the old ref and tell me if it looks despicable to you, just for curiosity. The article was like this when I began "taking over". - Did you see this trying to revert a takeover? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:36, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It does not look "despicable" to me, but I am far from an authority. This is not an area with which I am familiar. El_C 18:08, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, helped. I just found this (having searched for Thomanerchor) and look what is bolded, and praised. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:08, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Helleborus orientalis

happy Valentine's! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:14, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, for you, too. Did an English translation of a song at User_talk:El_C#Us, btw, and am about to submit another ("US," itself), so check it out! El_C 16:23, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

adding today's featured picture of February 17 - a nice match to my wild one --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:23, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lovely, lovely! El_C 23:24, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@El C: @Octoberwoodland: Continuing this discussion, I'd like to request that 2021 storming of the United States Capitol be put under WP:1RR (I guess that would be Template:American politics AE?). How do I make such a request? Post to WP:AN? Or can an admin (i.e. you :-)) do that without a formal request? — Chrisahn (talk) 23:59, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Chrisahn, right, you ask me, here, like so. But can you show that there is a lot of protracted edit warring going on? Because I'm wary of throttling a page that sees that much activity. Not sure why you pinged Octoberwoodland here. They are not an admin, so they do not have the authority to grant your request. El_C 00:09, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No, there hasn't been much edit warring. Just like Octoberwoodland, I thought the page was already under 1RR, and I thought it would be useful. But if you'd rather not do it yet, that's fine with me as well. If problems do arise, I'll come back here. But I hope it won't be necessary. :-) (The ping was just because Octoberwoodland started the discussion at Alalch Emis's talk page and might want to chime in here.) — Chrisahn (talk) 00:21, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Just understood that moments ago (the ping). Anyway, in general, restrictions are added by need only. The general consensus among admins is to wait and see, and only if needed add 1RR. And if that isn't enough, only then move on to additional enhancements, like Consensus required (i.e. gradual escalation). Regards, El_C 00:28, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the explanation! These processes are more fine-grained than I thought. Probably a good thing. Although I'm afraid I won't remember the difference between {{ds/editnotice}} and {{ds/talk notice}} a week from now. :-) — Chrisahn (talk) 00:54, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I just type T:DSA (all listed at the bottom), otherwise, who can remember! El_C 00:56, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It is time I knew more about do's and don'ts applicable to infoboxes. Could you let me have the link to any WP that applies to Infoboxes as such? Qexigator (talk) 17:52, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I'm far from an authority on infoboxes, Qexigator, so short of pointing you to the MOS:INFOBOX-obvious, I would just advise you to avoid WP:ARBINFOBOX2 at all cost! Regards, El_C 18:13, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Some users get hot about infoboxes, while for others it's the normal thing to have. Before adding an infobox to an article without one, check for warnings in edit mode, and for discussions on the talk page. Recent example Ian Fleming, nonono. Those who made the article as nice as it is today don't like it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:23, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Haha! See what I mean, Qexigator? *Pokes Gerda* El_C 18:25, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the link to MOS:INFOBOX. This comfirms my experience when I have been looking at or editing other well-established articles on impottant topics: the infobox is 'to summarize (and not supplant) key facts that appear in the article (an article should remain complete with its summary infobox ignored,,,The less information it contains, the more effectively it serves that purpose, allowing readers to identify key facts at a glance,' If well done, they can be very helpful when needed.' Qexigator (talk) 18:44, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

My favourite is Beethoven. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:05, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The unquestionable elegance of less is more. El_C 19:08, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I am so proud of that ;) - Did you know that I designed it in the workshop of Teh Case ("Actually, I believe almost every article would profit from a placement like that in history and geography.")? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:01, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

User:El C/Songs from the homeland (YouTube links to individual performances are at the top of the subpage, in boldface)

"You See Far, You See Clear"

"Us"

"I Want Us To Be Realized"

"Didn't Know You'd Walk Away From Me"

"You Put My Hand In Yours"

"A Place Of Worry"

What Is Love?

"How Is It That A Star"

"A Love Song (Like A Wheel)"

"Sitting On The Fence"

"Fragile"

"In Praise Of Samba"

"Where Are You?"

"Poogy Tales"

"Tell Me"

"There Were Nights"

"It Happens"

"Drawing"

"Yes, It Has No Chance, But Between Myself And I Everything Is Allowed"

Last updated: El_C 09:05, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for sharing! Reminds me of my one and only contrib to the Hebrew Wikipedia. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:17, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I would have liked to add the pic to context, but can't tell ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:46, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Are you referring to he:קובץ:Ubud_Cremation_4.jpg, because that is one scary dragon! El_C 08:51, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

yes ;) - that pic was taken by my much-missed friend who made the good version for Ian Fleming, and my illustration for the infobox wars (see the link to the workshop, and in my 2020 talk archive). - On the other topic, Bach, we have now another ANI, by Smerus, Nikkimaria is fighting, I shake my head and try to look away, and Mathsci is still blocked. How many more editors in good standing are going to be burnt? - I like the singers music, but the images best when I see him, not graphics. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:54, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Haha! All roads lead to Ian Fleming, it seems. Also, you're making me sound like the grim reaper, but I just want to pet a chipmunk! El_C 11:03, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"making you sound"? I just tremble with indignation - out for the day --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:07, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's the second time today where I've had Che quoted back at me — looks like it's gonna be one of those days... Enjoy your outing! El_C 11:13, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Innisfree Garden

Back from sun and snow: sorry if that landed wrong. I was a bit in a rush, and reacted to "all roads lead to IF". I don't care about IF, at all, the number of my edits to his article is zero, the number of my edits to the talk page is zero. I had not thought of him in years until the ongoing RfC, and my edits will remain zero. I use his name as an example, because - with the RfC going - I can mention it, otherwise if I mentioned a name from the group someone would come and cry "canvassing".

I thought about the animosity, and what I can trace back (because I really don't understand it), and looked at what I wrote about Ian Fleming on the page deleted as a call to battle. I made a note of the name, that it was infobox person (red background indicating that it was lost) and the above-mentioned diff of a good version from 2012 piped to the date. That's all. I had forgotten until I looked it up now that my friend had made the good version. When we lost him (later that year) I spread the image all over the Wikipedias, even Hebrew (with some help from a friend from Jerusalem). My first reaction had been to leave, but then I didn't want to do his enemies that favour ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:30, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ooh, that is some lovley greenery. So nice. Also, you can CANVASS me any day, Gerda, but should probably note my propensity to call (!)voter fraud whenever things don't go my way (diff). Anyway, trying to take it easy today, with the occasional bouts of critical drinking. El_C 19:28, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fine, easy today, will explain "canvass" some other day, also why I think the animosity is inherited, because the listing described really doesn't explain it, - although I can see (now) that the red background - about as red as your top image - could be seen as inflammatory. But a reason to leave Wikipedia? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:17, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Easier today, with progress on BWV 1. Back to the beginning, Hebrew: we miss Yoninah, terribly, and one of the many things she would have done for me is adding the text of a psalm to the article, compare Psalm 45 and Psalm 43. The text can be found at the bottom, in External links. I could probably manage but would feel safer if someone did it who could actually read it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:44, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Done. Oh, good, glad to hear it. Yup, I well know Yoninah for her top-tier contributions. I wouldn't count our losses yet, though. She's only been gone less than a month. Hopefully, she'll return soon. *Sending positive vibes* El_C 11:01, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Haha! Dangerous terrain (diff), who would have thunk it? (Seriously, I didn't.) El_C 11:07, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm. I confess to being puzzled (diff). Anyway, pinged you to User_talk:Veverve#Psalm_43_query. Hopefully, my confusion can be assuaged. El_C 11:32, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

did it? (I had an edit conflict there) - thank you for a new word, "assuaged" --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:37, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

See the trouble you get me into? Now to ameliorate! El_C 11:39, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

going out again, sun and snow, will think about amelioration when walking --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:03, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Obligatory Here Comes Sunshine spam! El_C 12:27, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

refreshed: spam for spam (subject of my first article, which was supposed to be the only one, but it had this red link ...) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:36, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Very nice, but I still think I'm owed some Psalms-related comforting! El_C 20:38, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"no good thing will he withhold from them that walk uprightly" --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:48, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I like that a lot! El_C 20:49, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Guess what, BWV 1 and BWV 159 make progress. You mentioned AE. I was there, last 2015. It was so awful that I dropped all pride (and it felt like giving up walking uprightly - watch out for Psalm 110 there) and appealed (and even successfully so). Starlight on top of that archive ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:01, 15 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'll take some startlight — been flying too close to the sun lately, truth be told. El_C 18:34, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You are welcome! I made a hook, also for you.

Did you know ...

... that Universalkünstler
Arik Brauer
created paintings in Fantastic Realism,
songs in Austropop,
stage sets for the Paris Opera,
and house facades in Austria and Israel?

(17 February 2021)

One this day nine years ago, I told Voceditenore that she is a voice of opera and reason. In 2018, she said: "And, no, there haven't been infobox squabbles in ages. I personally use them all the time now for biographies and operas. There are a few diehards left, but the general attitude from both perspectives seems to have settled on live and let live." So why is it that some still can't settle on live and let live? - The next cookbook author is scheluded to appear as TFA (with a nice infobox btw, as the last), and I will keep the usual thanks to the creator for myself as insistent, but I don't understand. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:54, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Love the artwork of Arik Brauer — nicely done! Ah, the vicissitudes of infoboxen, its ebbs and and flow. What a peculiar thing it is. El_C 14:55, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No, it doesn't. It could just ebb. In 2018, it was no concern. Why is it now? Why can't we just edit the little boxes as other content: someone adds, and if someone reverts, consensus needs to be established. Instead, someone adding, or requesting, or just asking where it went, is considered a warrior. The question where it went often goes like this: when a certain group of editors expanded an article, they collapsed it (thinking that was a compromise, but making life harder for those having physical trouble to click the "show" button). That caused a little edit-war, which was "resolved" by taking it away completely, with a discussion like this on the talk following. Ever since, we have been reminded that there was this consensus not to have one, and we are supposed to believe that. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:10, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

For sure, I am like-minded with you in that interpretation. WP:ONUS should generally be observed, like elsewhere. Indeed, there really isn't an excuse for not doing so. In theory, per WP:ARBINFOBOX2, WP:ACDS allows admins to just straight-up make it (ONUS) a requirement by adding Consensus required to intractable infobox disputes. My sense is that most admins just do not want to touch these because it usually ends up amounting to a zero-sum game, at best — myself, I don't really engage infobox disputes in an AE capacity, because the history and politics AE topic areas keep me busy enough (diff). El_C 16:19, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There are almost no "intractable infobox disputes", really, so DS serves no purpose. The problem is that a newcomer who has no idea of a minefield is treated as a warrior. - I love your translations. We should have more us. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:36, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, understood. Admittedly, I do not have a firm grasp of what's happening on the infobox front. RE: translations. Many thanks! I appreciate your praise very much. Also Val's. Strange how it took me hours and hours to do the first one, an hour to do the second one, and 30 minutes to do the third one. But I think I'm now finally satisfied with the final form of all three translations, so at least I'm done with the constant tinkering (though not to jinx it!). El_C 16:57, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

For more understanding: imagine - if you can, it takes courage - for a moment that back in 2012, the infobox had been kept as it had been for years then already. Imagine. - Certainly thanks to presentation here, Arik Brauer made it to the stats, DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:48, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

How do you like this? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:46, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Enjoy the music, and make it last. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:18, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(As) I always do, Gerda! Yours always, El_C 12:00, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Great music offer! - What do you think of the start of Reception, - the little prince never gives up a question. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:14, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not usually a fan of princes, but here's one that really did music-it-up! El_C 12:17, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Agree about Johann Ernst! The Little Prince never gives up a question, "the prince has golden hair, a lovable laugh, and will repeat questions until they are answered". How do you like the beginning of reception? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:50, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

One of my favourite books growing up... Reception looks great to me. I think he did a fine job. Top tier musicology. El_C 16:54, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, but who is "he"? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:56, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"You know, that guy — who always wore a shirt." Oh, sorry, did you write that, with him just having merged it? It's a low attention span -day today, so brace yourself! El_C 17:04, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nonono, I could never write such a thing (+ I'm not a "he" as the writer is, and yes, the obvious "he" just merged it). Two ways to the answer: you follow the links in the edit summary (better the second), or you look at the new article's talk page. Unless you just guess why I come to you of all people with this question, and may guess right. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:17, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A riddle — noo! There better not be a math and science test at the end of this! El_C 17:21, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

test? first question in this thread has one (!) link, leading to the initial entry of a new article, with two (but I said better second) links, with the second leading to where an estimated 95% of the content came from. [2] - a fine job, indeed, not my style, but fine. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:51, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hoping for a D-. That would be about right. El_C 17:57, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

An unblock would do. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:55, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Gerda, for reasons which are my own, attending to this dispute, in any administrative capacity, just isn't something I wish to engage at this time. Sorry. El_C 20:42, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Understand. Appreciation of outstanding work is better. You can tell other admins where the clue is - my lead image until 2021 came, remember? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:06, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Of course, happy to pass on genuine positive impressions, always. Yes, I do. Breathtaking, primordial. El_C 22:26, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"at times heavy to carry" (quoting myself still from the same page which also has the model for Precious, did you see? - the cabal of the outcast, - I told Bus stop four years ago, feel like Cassandre) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:06, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

And that's very much okay to express. Also, we can be in diametric opposition about whatever from time to time. That is also okay. El_C 23:20, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello admin, can you please revoke the talk page access of Focus Training Academy, who have been blocked for advertising and promotion? They are currently making promotional edits to their talk page. --Ashleyyoursmile! 08:11, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ashley, why do you keep calling me "admin" — my name is El_C! Anyway,  Done. El_C 08:16, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I usually refer to an admin as "admin". 🤔 Thank you very much, El_C. Ashleyyoursmile! 08:20, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, editor, erm, I mean, Ashley! You are very welcome. El_C 08:34, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe they consider it a term of respect, like calling you Colonel or Your Honor? As Grandma used to say, just don't call me late to dinner. :) That apparently was a hilarious joke 100 years ago. :) —valereee (talk) 18:09, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

ugh, sorry, I have no idea how I keep ending up replying to stale discussions on your talk! —valereee (talk) 18:11, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No, Val, perfect timing actually, because ♫oops, she did again!♫ El_C 18:20, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

What did you mean in your reason when you unblocked LightningComplexFire from an indefinite block y? What does it mean to “I live to serve”? –Cupper52^Discuss! 13:27, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Cupper52, it was a nudge about the magic word (diff). El_C 19:28, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		I'm not certain that I need to explain exactly why you deserve this barnstar, suffice it to say that you spend a lot more time cleaning up WP:AN and WP:ANI than any admin should be honorably required to do. One hopes that perhaps watching the soothing, spinning star will help you relax some. :-) WaltCip-(talk) 15:29, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, thanks, WaltCip! Will attach to parade float! Kind regards, El_C 19:28, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ronging rogue (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)

Our friend with the ungulate fixation is at it again. Please smite when convenient. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 18:28, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Elmidae, smited from orbit. El_C 19:28, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Hey, I copied you in something, so you can learn some Dutch. Saflieni sounds like they're very upset. Drmies (talk) 03:12, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Eep. Good thing my Dutch is as good as my Swahili (which to say great!). Anyway, thanks, Drmies, I appreciate the heads up. El_C 03:20, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Oops, looks like I missed one. Thanks for the heads up, Davidwr. El_C 04:35, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Please zap the other edit I emailed you about as well. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 04:43, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Done. El_C 05:11, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This message is made for notifying you about a discussion on WP:ARE#Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_NomanPK44 for appeal. NomanPK44 (talk) 18:26, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I am duly notified and have since replied at the appeal page. El_C 19:00, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"he seems to be at his wits end at this time" about sums it up. The worst of the behavior has stopped, but there's two factions that are numerically balanced, and neither is willing to budge an inch on any aspect of the article whatsoever (you'd think a more readable page with the same content would be something everyone's interested in, but no). So the talk page has just devolved into endless stone-walling, and unless and until an uninvolved user with no opinions on the content is willing to try to rewrite the page, I don't think any progress is likely to be made...Vanamonde (Talk) 19:01, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sad, but not surprising, Vanamonde93. Cue in shruggie of despair: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ El_C 19:06, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. I read your closure op my AE request. I have just one practical question. Where and how should these IP's be reported?Tvx1 22:19, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

At WP:AE would probably get you the best results. As for how: attach whatever evidence showing that the IP/s is actually them. No stale reports, please. El_C 22:39, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding this, you might want to do the same to the other two accounts listed here. There is also a list of similar names here that haven't been used in awhile but which may need watching. Also, this does not bode well. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 23:31, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, there's no need to bother with anything that isn't an active incident or is otherwise stale. As for Commons, sure, someone should let them know. El_C 23:37, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi El C,

I thought I should post something here because my name has come up in some of your recent discussions. I was previously known as Mclarenfan17, and I have largely been retired for the past six months. I have been intermittently active over the past few weeks, mostly because of virus restrictions.

I have noticed that I was referred to you because of arbitration enforcement. An editor, Tvx1, claims that I have been editing from an IP address to circumvent an arbitration ruling. I think these claims are being made in bad faith as the editor in question had a habit of wikilawyering, which was noted in the arbitration hearing. Case in point, this edit that he made around the time he went to arbitration enforcement. It ignores a consensus that was established on the article talk page, a discussion that the editor did not take part in. He is well aware that there is a small number of editors on the article, and so appears to be using arbitration enforcement to try and stop me from making any edits to the article and allowing him to ignore the consensus. 1.129.108.95 (talk) 00:02, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mclarenfan17, as an individual subject to an Arbitration sanction, per Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Motorsports, it is inappropriate for you to be editing from various IPs, sometimes in contravention of your interaction ban. Please either log into your Mclarenfan17 account, or if you lost your login details, create a new registered account clearly identifying yourself as such. And from that point forward, please ensure that you adhere to the conditions set by the Arbitration decision in the strictest possible sense. El_C 00:12, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"it is inappropriate for you to be editing from various IPs"

I understand this, but my device has a dynamic IP. I do not know how to change this; had I known, I would have taken steps to change it sooner. As very few of my edits have seen me cross paths with the other editor, I was under the impression that this was okay. 1.129.108.95 (talk) 00:25, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's okay, it isn't the end of the world. Just make sure you login from now on, each and every time you edit, and we can definitely go from there. El_C 00:31, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi El C,

I noticed that you have recently put indefinite protection on several pages as part of arbitration enforcement. You also noted that the discussion regarding me "fizzled out". This is because, as I explained to you, I am on a dynamic IP. I cannot change this; I do not even know how to. I would register a new account, but last time I did that I had to request one, and that took six weeks. How am I supposed to contribute to the arbitration discussion when a) my IP is constantly changing, b) I edit from a mobile device and so do not get notifications when messages are posted to the IP talk page, and c) it takes weeks to get an account registered, but the arbitration discussion is closed within days?

Furthermore, if you read Talk:2021 World Rally Championship, you will see that the reason for the dispute has largely been resolved. The edits in question were reverted because they broke the format of a table, rendering it completely unreadable on the mobile site despite the changes being made so that the article would be more accessible. I reverted those edits to the last good version because I did not know how to fix them, but knew that a major edit would be coming within days and was concerned that it could make the problem even harder to fix. I advised other editors on the talk page of the problem with the expectation that they could find a solution. Everything that I did was in good faith. I didn't even look at who made the original edits; I looked at them and thought "this is a serious problem that I cannot fix, but if I don't do anything, it's going to create bigger problems". 1.144.105.233 (talk) 22:41, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mclarenfan17, I don't see what that has to do with the heart of the matter, which is that you continue to evade your sanction by using multiple accounts. Until you adhere to the instructions set above, you are effectively a persona non grata on the project, and efforts to deter you from making any edits will now be undertaken with extremes prejudice. El_C 22:48, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

El C, I am not trying to evade sanctions. I cannot log into my old account because I forgot the password. I tried to register a new account in the past, but that took weeks. How am I supposed to take part in the arbitration enforcement discussion process when it is closed within days? Please understand my position here - I cannot satifactorily meet all of the conditions required to participate in the procesd. If I try editing from an IP, I get accused of evasion. If I apply for an account, it takes weeks and I am accused of not taking part. I'm damned if I do and I'm damned if I don't. Nobody has said "this is how you fix things so that you edit from a static IP" or "tell us which username you registered and we can get it approved" or "tell us which username you registered and we'll take it as a sign of good faith in the arbitration discussion because we know the process takes a while". Nobody has offered me any solution to the problem, even though I have consistently pointed out that I don't know how to fix it. And then, when I don't immediately do as instructed, I get further sanctions from the very people I just told "this is a problem and I don't know how to fix it". 1.144.105.233 (talk) 23:09, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mclarenfan17, trying or not, you continued doing so after multiple warnings. Not sure how it takes weeks to register an account. Never heard of such a thing before. But even say that's the case, however long it takes, that's how long it takes. Full stop. El_C 23:13, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe I'm using the wrong word here. In registering an account, I specifically had to request one. I had to fill in a form with my preferred username and e-mail address, and it would be sent off to someone to review and approve. I was directed to Wikipedia:Request an account, possibly because of my dynamic IP. The first time I did it was shortly after I forgot the Mclarenfan17 password. I did not get an e-mail about it for about six weeks.

"But even say that's the case, however long it takes, that's how long it takes."

Well, my concern here is that the arbitration enforcement message was posted on the 12th. You closed the discussion on the 18th and described me as persona non grata on the project because I was not taking part in the discussions. What would you suggest that I do here? I cannot participate because I am waiting to hear back about an account, and get in trouble because I'm not participating. But if I do participate while waiting on an account, I get in trouble for circumventing the rules. By the time the account is approved, the decision has already been made.

Now, I did everything in good faith. When the issue was raised, I owned my actions. I could have ignored it and pretended it was someone else, but I didn't. The person who filed the report was clearly on a fishing trip (and had previously been told as much) - they had no concrete evidence to support their claim and ArbCom recognised that they have a history of wikilawyering, using the rules to punish editors they disagree with. I have been transparent at every step of the process, and so all I am asking is some reason to believe that if I follow the instructions of the arbitrators that I won't just have a different rule thrown at me.

So let's say for the sake of argument that I apply for a new account right now and that it takes six weeks. And in six weeks, I go straight to arbitration to deal with this. How do I know that I'm not going to be told "you had your chance to deal with this six weeks ago" and then get slapped with further santions despite following instructions to the letter? 1.144.105.203 (talk) 02:30, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mclarenfan17, sorry for the belated reply, having overlooked yours — hope you still end up reading this (soon). Anyway, I'm not going to repeat this again, so one more time: please ensure that you have one single registered account self-identified as you. Period. Again, never heard it taking six weeks-long to be authorized as being a thing (even six hours seems a bit much), but if that what it takes, then, yes, wait six weeks or however long it takes. I don't really have much more to say at this time except for this one salient point. El_C 02:19, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

El C, I am happy to see that you took the time to respond. Truth be told, if you had not, I would have very little faith in the arbitration process because what I am asking is a simple procedural question. Unfortunately, though, you have not answered that question. I understand what you are asking of me; I really do. My concern is that I go through this entire process of requesting an account and do everything that you have asked of me - but then when the discussion resumes at Arbitration Enforcement, I get told "you had the chance to address this X weeks ago and you didn't, so you are now faced with these additional sanctions" even though that delay is through circumstances beyond my control.

I have a second question for you, one which I have held back until such time as the procedural question could be answered. But I think I would like to get an answer now because that answer will influence whether I register a new account or retire for good. I feel that the other editor involved in this has acted in bad faith. I think that some of his recent edits demonstrate an obvious agenda and that his going to Arbitration Enforcement is itself a violation of the IBAN. He was actively searching for me in various articles, but had no concrete evidence that I had been editing. I think it was clear that he was looking to have someone banned so that he could pursue his agenda, which is consistent with his previous behaviour of using ANI to make life difficult for those he disagrees with. I am not asking you to make any decision here; I am simply saying this to show you that I think I have a proveable case. My question is this: if I register a new account and make this case at Arbitration Enforcement, how can I show that this is not some tit-for-tat revenge? I have found in the past that when he is taken to ANI for his behaviour, he immediately involves his preffered admins and convinces them that there is nothing to it. I predict that the same thing would happen here, and so have little confidence in any dispute resolution or administrative process. 1.144.107.138 (talk) 06:30, 24 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mclarenfan17, honestly, I really am not sure about either tit-for-tat optics, or about what the status of your soon-to-be (hopefully) registered account will be. I'm just one admin, and one who isn't at all familiar either with that Arbitration case or with the overall topic area. All I can tell you is that registering an account is an absolute prerequisite for any further steps toward anything (whatsoever). I also submit to you that discussing your opponent here, on my talk page, is probably not the best idea. Regards, El_C 06:46, 24 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it's an answer, though admittedly not as specific as what I was hoping for. 1.144.107.138 (talk) 07:39, 24 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I realize that, but I'm trying to navigate this the same as you, uncertainties and all. El_C 07:49, 24 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi El C,

I have decided that I am not going to register a new account. From this point forward, you may consider me fully retired. My reasoning for this is simple: in the weeks after I forgot my password, I noticed that my mental health improved. In the time since I resumed editing—even on the small scale that I did it—my mental health declined. I attribute this to one person: Tvx1. Truth be told, dealing with him was always exhausting, and I am disappointed to note that many editors of WP:F1 and WP:MOTOR have adopted his tactics in their editing practice. These WikiProjects were once well-organised with dedicated editors who worked collaboratively. Now they are toxic, run by bullies who toe the line of Wikipedia policies. See, for example, this edit by Fecotank, who seems to think that if an editor has been banned at any point, then he is free to disregard any contributions that they have made regardless of whether or not those contributions had anything to do with said ban (and in this case, these contributions were made before this Arbitration case). Disagree with someone—especially Tvx1—and you will likely be referred to ANI for daring to disagree in the first place. If you raise concerns about his activities, they will run to their favourite admins and plead their case, convincing them that it is a bad-faith move by the other editor. If you propose a change that one editor does not like—even if everyone else is on-board—then be prepared for that editor to drag the discussion out and force a WP:NOCONSENSUS, preventing the change from taking hold. Case in point, in a recent discussion, Tvx1 emphasised the importance of articles complying with MOS:DTT. From the way he presents this argument, you would think it is something he is passionate about, but that article is the only article that he cares about complying with MOS:DTT. And he only started caring about it once he suspected I was active again. His agenda is obvious: he cannot stand the thought of someone being able to influence the direction of an article when that same person disagrees with him on other issues. Knowing that others take pride in their work, he aims to destroy that. He is toxic, agressive and condescending and he is almost certainly reading this (watch his contributions page and see which admin's talk page he posts to). He should have been banned years ago, but he has been very careful to observe policies. I hope that someone keeps a very close eye on him because he keeps getting away with this stuff, which has only emboldened him and dragged the community down with him. There is no collaboration within WP:F1 and WP:MOTOR anymore. Just an attitude of "we will not negotiate with terrorists", and it is solely down to his influence. I have had enough, and I know other editors have, too. He will likely take my retirement as vindication, but it is quite clear that this latest chapter started because he wanted to change a consensus. Unable to convince other editors, he instead decided to get one banned, paving the way for a new discussion. He needs to be stopped. 1.129.111.253 (talk) 22:47, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mclarenfan17, I wish you a healthy state of mental health, and of course, advise that you take any and all needed steps toward that end. But I also wish for you to cease from violating your interaction ban over and over again on my talk page. That's inappropriate, even now as a seemingly final message. I hope that you no longer continue editing these pages until having secured a registered account that is self-identified as you. Full stop and deep breath (for me). I know I keep saying that like a broken record, but you still edited those pages not even two days ago, so I'm not sure I know of a way to get that salient point to resonate with you — clearly, simply repeating isn't having the desired effect, but how else can it be otherwise articulated?. Seriously, I'm at a loss. So, again, if you still have a desire to edit the topic area, please do so the right way, because any other way is just a big headache for everyone concerned, yourself included. Good luck! El_C 22:58, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There was a consensus [3] of many Wikipedia users to oppose the edit Casperti just made again,[4] even though these were exactly the types of edits which got him topic banned.[5] The ANI thread confirms it.[6]

Now after coming off from the temporary topic ban, it seems that nothing has changed.

He started a DRN thread on 11 February (see WP:STICK) to dispute the same content from Pashtuns and it was speedily closed.[7] He invited only 1 editor (who didn't even participate in ANI) instead of inviting me and other 3 editors who vehemently disputed his edits to Pashtun.

He continues to misrepresent sources on that article per his recent edit. The Census link he uses mentions the number of Pushto speakers in India, but not the number of Pushtuns (Pushto speakers ≠ Pushtuns). A reliable source says that over 100,000 Pushtuns were granted Indian citizenship in the Indian state of Jammu & Kashmir alone and Casperti was pointed this out many times.[8] Repeating entirely same conduct that led the topic ban is surely WP:DE. Aman Kumar Goel ^(Talk) 03:46, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Aman Kumar Goel, I have reinstated the ban, setting the duration not to expire. Regards, El_C 04:36, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@El C:, This was certainly not an appeal, I wanted to have answers for my appeal. You have not even provided the violation that I violated. I wanted to have an answer to my question. What violation did I violate? What did I violate or disrupt? Did I go against a consensus? No, since there was never a consensus. Did I violate WP:RS by deleting the 3.2M source? Clearly no. Did I engage in an edit conflict? No. Did I violate the previous reason for my ban? No. You are banning me without any valid reasons and then you say "Why can't you understand the ban". I want answers, something that you did not provide. Casperti (talk) 13:08, 15 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Casperti, again, as far as appealing to me here, that has been declined. As far as me explaining the nature of the sanction and the reasons behind it, that I have also attempted to explain to you here multiple times now. That you still fail to acknowledge or respond to what I said, again, isn't actually on me. But it does demonstrates to me (further still) why other participants found engaging with you so challenging. At this point, it does feel like you are misusing the appeals process and are taking advantage of the hospitality of my talk page. El_C 15:21, 15 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@El C: You have not explained anything, that is why I kept asking you. Yet you have not given me the violation or disruption that I have made. I will not write to you no more on this talk page but this is clear. You have not a violation to name since I did not disrupt or violate anything. You are the one who has banned me without me violating any rules and you are expecting me to not seek answers from you. Casperti (talk) 16:43, 15 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

For the last time, Casperti, I feel like I have given you answers to the best of my ability on multiple occasions already. But as much as I keep repeating that, you do not relent. El_C 16:50, 15 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I have no idea what in the world you expect me to say or do here. I am not an admin, I am not going to attempt to overturn an admin decision. Nor am I going to encourage them to do so when all I know of the matter is there was a DRN opened inappropriately asking if a source was reliable. The correct place for that would have been the reliable source noticeboard. IMO- the facebook source is not reliable. Now as to your past or present behavior- I have no opinion and as such I am inclined to agree with the admin, especially considering the way you have interacted with them. So... hope that clears things right up. Nightenbelle (talk) 16:56, 15 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nightenbelle, for what it's worth, the DRN attempt wasn't really an important factor in my decision. El_C 17:02, 15 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

lol I really didn’t think it did. I truly have no idea what I’m the world they thought I could or would do. Nightenbelle (talk) 17:56, 15 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@El C:& @Nightenbelle:, I already had a "reliable source noticeboard"[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_296#Using_interviews_as_Population_censuses. So what would have been the proper way to resolve this issue? I did not handle out of bad faith. I am genuinely wondering how I should have acted @El C:. Let me know. Thanks, Casperti (talk) 15:29, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Casperti, please stop bringing up discussion of content that is covered by your topic ban. Further such violations are likely to lead to additional sanctions. Thank you. El_C 15:36, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

And please stop bringing me into this. I had nothing to do with your ban, I have nothing to do with the RS noticeboard, and I can do nothing to reverse either. Nightenbelle (talk) 18:33, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi El C, I was going to write to Ymblanter but then I read the banner (I hope everything is ok), so I thought I would contact you. I would like to give you a report of what is happening on Navalny's article (and not only), because I consider it quite particular and of a certain gravity.

If I'm right, I'm asking you to help me. I invite you to check my edits, about 220 almost on Navalny's discussion [35]. I've spent days turning the web upside down searching RS, and now I'm really exhausted... I really don't have the energy left to handle this alone. If instead I'm wrong, I apologize to everyone.--Mhorg (talk) 19:40, 13 February 2021 (UTC) - modified 15 February[reply]

Mhorg, I'm sorry but I am unable to commit to such a significant investigation at this time. Perhaps another admin can spare the time for this, or maybe there's a noticeboard that could be of assiatnce...? Best of luck in being able to resolve the dispute amicably. Regards, El_C 20:47, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

El_C No problem, thanks anyway, I can understand that the issue has taken on colossal dimensions. Could you suggest me the Noticeboard that is more appropriate to leave this message? I've never released one. As for instead of contacting another admin, being the first time that I am in these disputes, I really don't know anyone else. I don't know if you can help me find one. Thanks for your patience.--Mhorg (talk) 21:00, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mhorg, I'm afraid no one in particular comes to mind. As well, I'm not sure I'm able to advise on the right noticeboard because I don't really have a firm grasp about the nature of the dispute. I mean, it does fall under the WP:ARBEE topic area, so I suppose the Arbitration enforcement noticeboard could be be a good candidate, but you should note that complaints submitted there are subject to a strict word limit. Regards, El_C 21:06, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi El C, I already asked User:Robert_McClenon[40] the question of the 500 words. I still don't understand if they affect both the diffs section and the space for my answers below together. Actually, the diff part is below 500 words... but I had to answer a lot to defend myself from accusations.
Speaking of wikihounding... MVBW has precisely targeted my old changes to revert them, just to annoy me. Isn't this stalking or wikihounding? Thank you.--Mhorg (talk) 17:28, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Please, just help me to understand one thing: can I answer again to MVBW or additional words will be counted?--Mhorg (talk) 19:03, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mhorg, again, I didn't count, so I don't know. But to reiterate, my impression is that it is likely border-line at this point, at the very least. El_C 19:09, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• [41] - The comment by Nicoljaus (my diff [42]) was in the section you mentioned. If you mean something else, could you please give a diff. Somehow I missed it. My very best wishes (talk) 21:22, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi El C, how have you been? I just took a look at my watchlist after an absence of almost two weeks, just to see that several IPs of the same range have been making disruptive edits on articles of settlements in southern Albania. Their disruption includes removal of sourced content and modifications that counter with what the used sources say. Since they are being continuously reverted by several editors, including User:Bes-ART and User:Maleschreiber, I wonder why nobody has made a report somewhere already. The IPs include [43][44][45]. Ktrimi991 (talk) 23:08, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Last warning already given there [46]. Ktrimi991 (talk) 23:09, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ktrimi991, how have I been? Let me see. Spending inordinate amount of time translating a song — check. Writing lengthy, primordial treatise — check and check. Trying to navigate the pitfalls of "neo denialism" of the Armenian Genocide — check, check, check. Yes, it's been that kind of day. About your request: one IP blocked, the other deemed Stale, for now. Skore semi'd for 2 weeks. Now, you can draft a range block proposal (in detail), or you can request for additional pages to be protected. Up to you. El_C 23:24, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Do not complain, IMO your day has been amazing. It is great you do all of that work in a single day; as a lazy person I would need a week or two :P On the IP stuff, thanks a lot. If they continue, I will make a request for range protection rather than protection of that large number of articles. But lets see: tomorrow is Valentine's Day, and hopefully they will have more lovely things to do ;) Ktrimi991 (talk) 23:44, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ktrimi991, as they say, it's my party and I'll drink like a fool if I want to. What does it matter? I'm sure I'll remember acting with exquisite elegance and grace, regardless. BTW: You stink! You and your whole lousy operation stink! I quit! P.S. Party is BYOBB. El_C 00:23, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, parties. I can not recall the last time I was in a party. The coronavirus lockdowns screwed up my life. hehe Ktrimi991 (talk) 01:09, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A couple of us had a New Year's gettogether, but we're all already pretty intertwined in each other's lives (for a number of reasons), so just a bit drunker than usual... El_C 01:14, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nice, very nice. Enjoy life to the fullest. It is our first and last one ;) Ktrimi991 (talk) 01:32, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The IPs has been reported here by User:Maleschreiber days ago but it continued getting worse last couple of days. Yesterday I also reportet it for edit warring. There are at least 4 IPs with same geolocation in North Macedonia. It seems the articles might need protection but there ara too many of them, basically all southern Albanian villages, cities and counties as well. And thats not possible. So lets see how it goes.Bes-ARTTalk 09:49, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, well, my car got wrecked that day, so Wikipedia (in general) wasn't exactly a top priority for me during that time period. Anyway, short of Tony having taught me about IPv6 range blocking (prompting him to then write WP:/64), the only range blocks I really otherwise impose are those ones already vetted/prepared by users whom I trust (LightandDark2000 comes to mind as an example — shoutout!). I may know my way around ACDS topics (and GS ones, too), but I'm not really that tech savvy, truth be told. El_C 14:21, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No problem at all, I was just trying to answer Ktrimi's question. Anyway thanks for your time and effort.Bes-ARTTalk 15:16, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

For sure, Bes-ART. Happy to help. El_C 15:21, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@El_C Please if you have time, check out this [47] IP. Thanks in advanceBes-ARTTalk 17:56, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Bes-ART, just go through the {{uw-error2}} and beyond motions and report to WP:AIV if those don't do the trick. El_C 19:13, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

An arbitration case regarding Kurds and Kurdistan has now closed and the final decision is viewable at the link above. The following remedies have been enacted:

• Standard discretionary sanctions are authorized for the topics of Kurds and Kurdistan, broadly construed.
• GPinkerton (talk · contribs) is indefinitely banned from the English Wikipedia. This ban may be appealed twelve months after the enactment of this remedy, and every twelve months thereafter.
• GPinkerton (talk · contribs) is topic-banned from articles related to Kurds and Kurdistan, broadly construed. This ban may be appealed twelve months after the enactment of this remedy, and every twelve months thereafter.
• Thepharoah17 (talk · contribs) is topic-banned from articles related to Kurds and Kurdistan, broadly construed. This ban may be appealed twelve months after the enactment of this remedy, and every twelve months thereafter.
• عمرو بن كلثوم (talk · contribs) is topic-banned from articles related to Kurds and Kurdistan, broadly construed. This ban may be appealed twelve months after the enactment of this remedy, and every twelve months thereafter.
• Supreme Deliciousness (talk · contribs) is topic-banned from articles related to Kurds and Kurdistan, broadly construed. This ban may be appealed twelve months after the enactment of this remedy, and every twelve months thereafter.
• Paradise Chronicle is warned to avoid casting aspersions and repeating similar uncollegial conduct in the future.

For the Arbitration Committee, Dreamy Jazz ^{talk to me | my contributions} 14:32, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Discuss this at: Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee/Noticeboard § Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds and Kurdistan closed

Bold is my emphasis. What can I say? I asked and the Committee delivered, which they did with unusual expediency. So, kudos to the arbitrators for giving us this sorely needed DS for the topic area. This still newish Committee batch is proving worthy, so again, nicely done! </suckup> El_C 14:59, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi El_C, another autoconfirmed editor is declaring Win Myint to still be president and Aung San Suu Kyi to still be state counsellor of Myanmar, reverting past my {{uw-error2}} warning and declaring my revert to be "illegal". I'll keep reverting and have explained myself at user and article talk, but I may need your help. ― Tartan357 ^Talk 02:12, 21 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I appreciate the assist. ― Tartan357 ^Talk 02:45, 21 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ugh, Tartan357, I am wary that just the urgent requests alone will deter my singing efforts! What to do, what to do. BTW, maybe we need to WP:ECP a few of these pages for a little while, because it doesn't seem to be working out too well to me. What do you think? (And, if so, which ones?). El_C 02:49, 21 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

El C, semi-protection seems to be doing fine (this is only the second time an editor has gotten past semi-protection with such blatant fabrications), so I think ECP would be overkill at this time. I'll let you know if my position on that changes. The most disruption has been at Min Aung Hlaing, Win Myint, and Aung San Suu Kyi, as well as on the talk pages of those articles. I actually got Talk:Min Aung Hlaing semi-protected last night due to edit request spamming. What I do think would be helpful is longer semi-protection periods than I'm getting from other admins at RfPP. Disruption resumes whenever protection expires at any of these pages, and when I return to RfPP, it gets renewed, but for far too short a time period. For example, I just got the protection on President of Myanmar renewed for a second time, but it was only protected for two weeks. I also think semi-protection of 2021 Myanmar coup d'état, 2021 Myanmar protests, State Administration Council, and Min Aung Hlaing's military cabinet will end up being necessary, although I'm not confident there's been enough disruption on those pages to go to RfPP yet. ― Tartan357 ^Talk 03:00, 21 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Tartan357, okay, understood. Thanks for your input from within the trenches. My thinking is that, due to their sensitive nature, those articles need to be protected for a long while (months rather than weeks), so feel free to request such protections here, whenever. El_C 03:05, 21 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

El C, your block has been challenged. ― Tartan357 ^Talk 03:39, 21 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Special:Contributions/Historynerdboy
• Special:Contributions/WikiTyrcaen
• Special:Contributions/Hdhoel (looks like sock farming, preparing to become auto-confirmed)

All of them look like sockpuppets of blocked HistoriaTurce and HistoryOfTurkic. See their edits an rants on the talk pages. Wario-Man ^talk 11:39, 21 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wario-Man, I'll add that, even if I knew the urgency of this, my internet is a bit too spotty at the moment for me to risk taking administrative action that is likely to be interrupted. If this, indeed, is of an urgent nature, I recommend contacting another admin or seeking assistance at the admin noticeboard. Regards, El_C 16:59, 21 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the response. No, it's not urgent. Just wanted to notify you about them. One of them have already been blocked. Cheers! Wario-Man ^talk 17:26, 21 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Have you seen this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Syrian_Kurdistan&type=revision&diff=1008148155&oldid=1007929627

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Arab_Belt&type=revision&diff=1008148981&oldid=1007875763

This is happening right now.

+ this from earlier that flew under the radar: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan/Proposed_decision#Comments_by_Attar-Aram_syria

This is like 6 times now she has violated her topic ban. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 21:11, 21 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Supreme Deliciousness, I'm not sure why you're telling me about this. Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds_and_Kurdistan hasn't concluded yet. You should be telling the arbitrators about it! El_C 21:31, 21 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

They don't know that she is currently topic banned. You do. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 21:35, 21 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I was pretty sure they did know, but even if not, why not just inform them about it? Not really sure what there is for me to do about any of this at this time. El_C 21:41, 21 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi El C, could you please look into the sabotage of the Arab Belt page done by GPinkerton here just hours before they are indefinitely banned? This wild POV pushing is obviously a hopeless provocation from a sinking user to launch an edit-war in an effort to sink other users with them. They even nominated the article as GA. I am staying away from it, but was hoping you could intervene given that this is a huge violation of their current post-1532 Middle East tban. Thanks, Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 21:43, 21 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم, please see my comments to Supreme Deliciousness directly above this. Regards, El_C 21:46, 21 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Also noting per the section above this ("Block evasion?"), that my internet is proving a bit spotty today for me to want to engage in too intensive use of admin tools, regardless of anything. El_C 21:56, 21 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

	The Admin's Barnstar
	I appreciate your work and I hope you make good use of the sanctions from the ArbCom case I opened. GPinkerton (talk) 22:35, 21 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, GPinkerton! I'll probably be accused of "bragging", but this is, what, admin branstar number 12? Always got room for more, at any rate! El_C 22:43, 21 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi El C. You blocked Mdgds for a week after my report at ANI due to their repeated addition of unsourced information. It seems they waited out their block and have resumed their mass unsourced editing again. I did bring it up on their talk page but then thought you may prefer I bring it up here. Could I trouble you to cast an eye please. Robvanvee 05:01, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Robvanvee. Will give it a glance and respond on User_talk:Mdgds. Regards, El_C 05:12, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Much appreciated. Robvanvee 05:15, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

El_C, is it acceptable to put blocks of the AE requests into collapsed blocks? The issue I'm trying to illustrate is not that any single event crosses the line but the long term behavior is the problem. My concern is with fewer diffs all this looks like a small thing vs a wide spread pattern. Thanks. Springee (talk) 11:47, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Springee, I think it's a bit of a grey area. Personally, I think it's a terrible idea, that it is GAMEy, and I'd disallow it outright, if I could. El_C 14:38, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

El_C, sorry I didn't see this reply until after I made my reduction original edits. Springee (talk) 03:36, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/180.242.214.144

If you look at this person's contributions, they have been nothing but disruptive.

For the Kebaya page, they removed over 23 thousand bytes of information.

For pages relating to geographical regions, they've removed Chinese Indonesians from the demographics in the infoboxes.

Lastly, they've also removed mentions of the Betawi language as being a Malay dialect (something that is disputed).

Would appreciate swift action. Thanks. Sisuvia (talk) 16:52, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked – for a period of 60 hours. El_C 18:08, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Your wish is my command. . I will be out of pocket for most of the day CELEBRATING. Atsme 💬 📧 17:55, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, Atsme, that's good. But I'll stress that Hot-Dog Park needs a new warden, and you have been, erm, volunteered for that task (which is to say, conscripted!). Still super-angry, btw. Grr! El_C 18:08, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Uh huh - volunteered like when you're in the military. Got it! I'll just pack-up a half-dozen Coney Island dogs, and start surfing Hot-Dog Park via the internet, with social distancing in mind, of course. My laptap will serve as my mask & gloves. And El C, it is time for you to be glad, not mad. Holding a grudge is like drinking poison, and waiting for the other person to die (a modernized Buddha quote that speaks to anger management). Atsme 💬 📧 18:35, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Negative, Atsme, seething rage keeps me young (or something). Glad to see that you're on-board now, though. Military tribunals aren't a fun thing (well, except for me as judge, jury and Gooby-justice metter — that is fun, I admit). Now, you have your marching orders: go forth and spread the good word of Gooby to the masses, and for God's sake, keep Hot Dog Park pristine (do I even need to say or else...?). El_C 18:48, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RE:the latter in parenthesis - YES, you do but from now on, consider El C as a one syllable word with a soft "C", then all you have to do is prepend the 4 tildes with "or" when you add your sig. Done deal. Happy editing, Or ElC! Atsme 💬 📧 19:11, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Though I may enjoy paying playing Scrabble, Atsme, you've just scrambled my brains! Calling riddle-master Gerda to assist! El_C 19:15, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wait, did I just get it? Hey, I'm soaring here! El_C 19:24, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

pay scrabble, I'm empty --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:29, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ugh, typo burn! I suppose it's slightly better than the monetarily →momentarily debacle.¯\_(ツ)_/¯ El_C 20:59, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

BTW, Atsme, if you wish to address me as Skeet Simpson or Buzz Knudson or even Buck Flower (YouTube diff) — I'm actually good with that! El_C 21:19, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ok Buck - you've got it! Atsme 💬 📧 22:16, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, El C. Please check your email; you've got mail!
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.CUPIDICAE💕 18:27, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Read and responded to, Prax. There's just... no words. Kind regards, El_C 18:48, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi El C, there's some material I believe needs to be said regarding the arbitration request but it's sensitive and I think it would be best if I communicated it to you personally rather than post it publicly on Wiki. Would it be possible to email you about this? Thank you Noteduck (talk) 04:59, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, Noteduck, I am not available to correspond with you via email at this time. I'll also emphasize that am unable to commit to following up on the case any further. I may well do so, but I also may not. We shall see. Regards, El_C 05:06, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Precious

Four years!

There's a cat on my talk. No ping - today. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:45, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

FOUR MORE YEARS! FOUR MORE YEARS! Okay, Gerda Arendt, no ping attached (Goodnight Springton, there will be no encores!). Will also try my best to keep my new alter ego, Buck Flower, in check. Also, kitty cry? That makes me sad. El_C 15:18, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Kitty cries much softer now, an admin helped, please check again. Was nice to see that, returning from a hike. - My much-missed banned friend also signed Buck once, but I forgot where, and it wasn't as Waterbuck. He had so many beautiful user pages and names. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:23, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, Gerda (still terrified to ping!), good, happy to hear that you're happier now! (Dang, that sounded pompous!) Ah ♫memories♫ — but you know me, in the darkness I subvert. Which also seems to apply to going from spreading the gospel of Gooby to assuming the identity of Buck Flower. Also, is this an appropriate place to credit "vital contributions"? Well, I'm doing it anyway! Skeet Simpson — Foreman; Buzz Knudson — Mixer; Buck Flower — Security Guard. //END TRANSMISSION! El_C 16:51, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

ping language is difficult. Yesterday, you replied to a ping that was just for info. Today, I meant that I sent no ping, to not cause more replies. The rhythm of "no milk - today" was in my head ;) - Did you read what someone hammered softly? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:58, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, okay! (ping ping ping — there, I got it out of my system!) No, but will read it monetarily... El_C 18:04, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Eep, it is not brief! Calling Buck Flower, security guard, to assist! (What, he's a gentleman and a scholar!) El_C 18:07, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, now read in full. Glad to see that Hammersoft and Drmies (courtesy spam-pings) have the matter well in hand. I'll also note that their comments shed light on facets to this with which I was previously unaware. Anyway, looks like a significant outcome is all but certain, so hopefully, that will do much to alleviate tension in the topic area, which, though I am largely ignorant of, seems to revolve mostly on FS and Mathsci by way of their longstanding IBAN. Looking promising, at any rate. El_C 18:16, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Umm, if you read it monetarily [48], do I get any remittance? :) Though, knowing my luck, it's probably covered by this. --Hammersoft (talk) 18:42, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Buck Flower heartily welcomes Hammersoft to the talk page, but eyes them with some suspicion (hey, part of being a security guard!) Some diffs of interest: Infinity or bust! + The monetary debacle. El_C 18:50, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

From me Hammersoft, you'll get a bigger flower, because the first wild one was for the first comment (I read the second only later). And who will unblock Mathsci? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:52, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I see that the Mathsci unblock lobbying efforts go on! El_C 18:54, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• @El C; hey, if it were me I'd eye me with suspicion too. I mean, I always come at people with a hammer, after all :)
• @Gerda; I'm not inclined to unblock Mathsci. I haven't delved fully into that side of this history, as Mathsci is after all blocked right now. But, what little I did see strikes me as concerning. --Hammersoft (talk) 18:57, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

He violated topic ban again even after the less than a day old warning against it.[49] Aman Kumar Goel ^(Talk) 17:02, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked – for a period of 2 weeks. El_C 17:28, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi El_C, can you semi-protect Soe Win (general)? ― Tartan357 ^Talk 17:34, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected for a period of 3 months, after which the page will be automatically unprotected. El_C 17:50, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi El_C, can you semi-protect Win Myint? ― Tartan357 ^Talk 22:21, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Same as above. El_C 01:11, 24 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Can you semi-protect Wunna Maung Lwin? ― Tartan357 ^Talk 12:33, 24 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) Grr. Got so edit conflicted. Important announcement about Buck Flower lost to the ether. Sorry, but I gotta consider the good of the project first and foremost. //Reconstructing. El_C 12:42, 24 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Same as above. El_C 12:49, 24 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

El_C, we may need to semi-protect Talk:Aung San Suu Kyi for a short period of time. It's being filled with edit requests all asking to declare her still in office, with some potential socking going on. ― Tartan357 ^Talk 00:31, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected for a period of one week, after which the page will be automatically unprotected. I also collapsed many bogus edit requests. Madness. El_C 01:07, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

El C, thanks! I created an FAQ that will be easier to refer to in the future. ― Tartan357 ^Talk 01:32, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I know, I quoted it in full in my collapsed notice as well as link to it. El_C 01:44, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Can you semi-protect Ministry of Foreign Affairs (Myanmar)? ― Tartan357 ^Talk 03:09, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Done. El_C 10:50, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Can you semi-protect 2021 Myanmar protests? IPs have been adding unsourced content, editing tendentiously, and making weird formatting changes. ― Tartan357 ^Talk 20:04, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Can you renew the semi-protection on Min Aung Hlaing? ― Tartan357 ^Talk 18:11, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi El_C, there's an editor, S2K-Lynx, who's been adding unsourced content, making test edits, and introducing bizarre formatting changes to articles related to the Myanmar coup for several days now. I've warned them for all of these things numerous times (they've since removed some of the warnings from their talk page), but they have not engaged me and have simply carried on editing disruptively. Can you block them? Thanks. ― Tartan357 ^Talk 03:44, 24 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

They just vandalized my talk page. I get to update my counter, at least! ― Tartan357 ^Talk 03:57, 24 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked indefinitely. El_C 04:28, 24 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi El_C, Rolf h nelson has edited Talk:Aung San Suu Kyi/FAQ to introduce doubt to it. Please advise. ― Tartan357 ^Talk 17:14, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Tartan357, handled. But please merge any new Myanmar-related sections with the parent thread from now on — sorta getting sick of needing to keep doing that for you. Do it again and I may be forced to call upon Buck Flower, which nobody wants! El_C 17:30, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

El C, sorry, will do. ― Tartan357 ^Talk 17:31, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I read your page about Buck Flower. That's hilarious. ― Tartan357 ^Talk 20:15, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Buck Flower extends hearty thanks, Tartan357! The truth is that Buck Flower is a complicated man (who carries a big stick), with a simple hat. And, of course, as a trained security guard he has to deal with troublemakers and potential troublemakers alike. (Like those who may at some point end up neglecting their sacred Hot-Dog Park oath! Though certain recent important developments taken are a hopeful sign.) Anyway, #Cat musicians and musician-hopefuls just added minutes ago! El_C 23:36, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure what to do here. Rolf keeps going around in circles claiming over and over again (without providing supporting sources) that Aung San Suu Kyi is still State Counsellor: [50], [51]. They have also started employing WP:GASLIGHTING tactics; in this reply to my request for sources to support the claim she is still State Counsellor, they said there are sources describing her as "deposed", which seem to directly contradict the position they're supposedly supporting: [52]. ― Tartan357 ^Talk 21:52, 27 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Tartan357, I'm reluctant to swing the AE hammer at this time, to be honest. If they want to go through the 3rd opinion motions —a role which I could be seen to have (somewhat) played, anyway, but whatever— then maybe just let them...? I sorta suspect what the outcome of that will be, but my sense is that it will likely work toward cementing the obvious, once and for all. El_C 22:56, 27 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

El C, I requested a third opinion. I thought that was for disputes between two editors only. ― Tartan357 ^Talk 23:32, 27 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This has (I think) been resolved now. We agreed to change the short description from "former state counsellor" to "deposed state counsellor", without agreeing on whether some sources still say she's state counsellor. Rolf agreed to leaving the infobox as-is. I have not agreed to changing the FAQ, but it's unclear if they still want that. I think the 3O people are pretty strict on only responding to disputes involving two editors, so we decided to take any further disagreement to BLPN. ― Tartan357 ^Talk 20:07, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Following on from this where you protected several motor sport articles to shut down a long time IP hopper, can you do likewise for 2021 Supercars Championship? IP hopper has deleted the same text twice in the past 2 days [53][54]that he deleted about half a dozen times in December. May want to consider 2021 Super2 Series and 2022 Supercars Championship as inevitably he will move on to edit warring at these articles. Fecotank (talk) 10:03, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Done. El_C 11:06, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi El C, sorry to bring this here, but ANI has been locked, so I can't respond there [55]. The issue seems to be over what steps can and should be taken to protect the articles, given that the promotional/copyright issues are slow-moving and long-term. I don't know what alternatives are at your discretion re: level and length of protection; as well, each article has experienced different amounts of disruption.-Mr. Harris' bio was one of the more egregious promotional pieces I'd seen, all the more so for having sat relatively fallow for so long. Your thoughts welcome, 2601:188:180:B8E0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 18:55, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

IP, I'm not quite sure what to do at this point, though I suppose lengthy semiprotections for these pages would be the intutive next step. But my concern is that with the long-term nature of these advocacy efforts, these various accounts may well end up easily reaching autoconfirmed status. Perhaps WP:ECP will eventually be needed, then (especially when involving living persons), but I guess we gotta start somewhere... El_C 19:28, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I get that there's no simple bandage for this. Whatever makes the best sense to you. I can keep an eye on the articles, but eventually they will fall off my radar, and it's a good bet that the issue will outlive my time here. One expects Mr. Harris' proxies to be locked in on this for at least another decade....on a separate note, thanks for helping out with Silver1500 (talk · contribs). I can not tell if they're genuinely incompetent with the language, or messing with us. The request for unblock was so incomprehensibly fractured as to raise suspicions. 2601:188:180:B8E0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 19:40, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

IP, remind me: is Michael Harris (producer) the only related article which is about a living person? Because I'm thinking of just indefinitely semiprotecting those, to start with, as an WP:ARBBLP action (will do so with Harris momentarily). El_C 19:48, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I can find, there's only one other BLP in this constellation, that of Mr. Harris' father, Chris Harris (basketball). That bio can still use some clean up of unsourced content, but it hasn't endured the same level of promotional disruption. 2601:188:180:B8E0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 19:54, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

IP, what do you suggest is to be done with Chris Harris (basketball), then, for now? El_C 19:56, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

My sense is that it's relatively inactive; my guess is that the accounts that pop up periodically come from interns or public relations folk at the filmmaking offices associated with the younger Mr. Harris' endeavors. They're not so interested in the father's bio. Probably that can be left alone for now. 2601:188:180:B8E0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 20:03, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Copy that, IP. Feel free to update me with any new developments. Maybe, somehow, we'd be able to nip this in the bud, after all. El_C 01:18, 27 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much, El_C. Cheers, 2601:188:180:B8E0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 04:27, 27 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, El_C, I opened a WP:AN thread, WP:AN#WP:AE understaffed by admins. I mentioned you there, so I am letting you know, in case you want to comment. Thanks, Nsk92 (talk) 19:05, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nsk92, thanks for letting me know (hope I'm mentioned in a positive light!). Will check it out. El_C 19:28, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, you are! Nsk92 (talk) 19:31, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yay! El_C 19:34, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

He has replied to you at talk page. It is the passive aggressive behavior.

When I point out flaws in his writing and sources, he thanked me for my time and asked me to find better sources. TrangaBellam (talk) 19:26, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, TrangaBellam, will have a look. El_C 19:28, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, since you're aware of the situation about the lab leak i'd like if you could TBAN me from Covid stuff so that the thread at WP:ANI can stop. I'm reacting very badly to their comments and it's starting to affect me irl. It's just too much at this point. They're just commenting about me and slandering my (yes limited) contributions and they don't seem to answer my questions. Thank you. Feynstein (talk) 20:34, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, Feynstein, I'll try to get that done for you within the hour (hopefully). El_C 21:05, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! Of this user. He started with kickboxer Benjamin Adegbuyi, currently removing the description of other fighters but from the UFC. Special:Contributions/Belevalo I tried to talk with him nicely, but he has moved now his attention from ice hockey to other sports. Unfortunately. .karellian-24 (talk) 20:53, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

He was warned before in ice hockey and other sports, he is even inventing rules by false interpretations. .karellian-24 (talk) 20:56, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know what to do with him anymore, I am desperate. He is removing descriptions, lying only a medal must be in the description but these are fighters. .karellian-24 (talk) 20:57, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, .karellian-24, as the notice at the bottom of my talk pages says, I'm not really accepting any new requests here right now (that is to say, rarely, at most). Maybe try WP:AIV or WP:ANI...? El_C 21:05, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• JG4236 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Hey C, On Feb 11, you blocked JG4236 (talk · contribs) for a week for a persistent, long-term pattern of adding unsourced material with tons and tons of warnings. Since that block, the editor is back to his old tricks: [56], [57], [58], [59] and [60] among others. Could you have a look? Toddst1 (talk) 21:19, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Toddst1. My sense is that this isn't as immediatey intutive as it was with the first block, so, sorry, as the notice at the bottom of my talk pages indicates, I'm not really accepting any new requests of note here right now (which is to say, rarely, at most). Maybe try WP:ANI...? Best, El_C 21:27, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

User:JG4236 has been blocked another two weeks by Ohnoitsjamie. EdJohnston (talk) 00:44, 27 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, EdJohnston, but I rarely, if ever, have discussions archive-closed on my talk page. To the best of my recollection, I have not even done so once, ever. El_C 00:50, 27 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

El_C I saw your comment/advice here [61]. I have shorten it here at "Answer Casperti to Johnuniq" at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Casperti. It was indeed blurry and vague from my side I guess. Frustration led to that I guess. Thank you. PS Can I delete that larger text? --Casperti (talk) 19:04, 27 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Casperti, good, glad to hear that. Yes, you may trim as you see fit. If you want to go for best recordkeeping practices, I'd maybe also note the removal with a diff, but that's totally up to you. Regards, El_C 21:49, 27 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi El C. First I hope you're doing well

I had a question about 1RR restrictions for pages. The pages I am specifically concerned with are Uyghur genocide and Slavery. How does an editor request that a 1RR restriction be placed on a page? I have no experience on this, so this might not even be possible (or advisable). I always appreciate your counsel.

Best wishes from Los Angeles,  // Timothy :: talk  19:51, 27 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, yes, doing well, thanks for asking. Hope you are, too. In answer to your question: neither of these pages fall under either community (GS) or Arbitration Committee (DS) -covered topic areas, so this has to be a community sanction/s raised at WP:AN, which I suspect you may face difficulties accomplishing jointly. Yours, El_C 21:49, 27 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Is editing against a talk page consensus a "content issue" or is it something that can be raised at AE in a topic covered by discretionary sanctions? nableezy - 21:32, 27 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nableezy if its the page I put under Consensus required, then it would just be a straight sanction violation — though I should caution you that in other CR cases (all of which were WP:AP2), admins at AE had difficulties with it (likewise with EBRD, too, so both beyond-1RR enhancements, to be fair), with it not usually exceeding a warning (logged or otherwise). Possibly, there were other cases involving CR (or EBRD), which I simply am unfamiliar with, who ended with a different outcome... But who knows. Anyway, if it isn't that page, thereby CR not being in effect, I suppose it would really fall down to the details of the incident/s in question and accompanying context/s. El_C 21:49, 27 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It is not, it is simply editing against a talk page consensus. Editor removes source a. Somebody else restores. 4 other editors agree that the source should stay, with just the lone dissenter. Editor removes source a, again. Is that disruptive or tendentious editing, or would I be wasting my time? nableezy - 21:59, 27 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I mean, again, without the details... But, sure, from that, it does sounds like you probably have something actionable there. 22:02, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Just for the record. I probably annoyed Nableezy there by reverting his revert. I didn't even trouble to check the technical reason for his scruple. I know the talk situation, and saw a revert that violated a clear consensus, and restored it. I see now on my page an insinuation that I might have coordinated that revert of Nableezy with him (making him look like a sneaky prick) No, I don't play games like that. Nableezy is a technical fiend in my book - pedantically ruled-obsessive, and, on things like this, loses me. If you, El C, think I should self-revert (to me that is to yield to blustering) I'll of course do so. Nishidani (talk) 11:31, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nishidani, well, at least I know what the article in question is now (secret revealed!); maybe I'll call you two the pedant and the (lovable) rogue, so there! El_C 15:44, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm. That adds up to a a diarchic regime, and history teaches me that, in times of conflict, rather than face the common enemy, the two protagonists will fall out in rivalry and try and kill each other (Imagining a Nableezy vs Nishidani or vice versa AE report!). Well the curse says may we live in interesting times, so I can live with that,- treading on tenterhooks does improve one's dancing on aged pins,- as the Chinese would say, as one of two barking pups trying to be top dog in an age of chaos. Cheers!Nishidani (talk) 16:03, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Nishidani: treading on tenterhooks does improve the dancing of aged pins. Like — noted for future plagiarism! El_C 16:10, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps this dark hilarity is now easier to understand. Newimpartial (talk) 02:09, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I guess...? But it still assumed omniscience on my part. How can I know what I don't know? Why such egregious comments weren't reported, frankly, puzzles me. Maybe they were and I missed them, somehow...? If so, I would apologize profusely, but I just don't think that's something I would overlook. Who knows, though. The attack is question is approaching a year, after all. And, let me warn you that humor on this page is now the exclusive domain of one Buck Flower (security guard), and he can get... a little aggressive. El_C 02:22, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe they were and I missed them, somehow...? Yes, that. No further need for humour, thankfully. Newimpartial (talk) 02:33, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

So you say, but based on what evidence that I am able to verify? I don't even remember much of the context, to be honest. So, yeah, I don't like that. El_C 02:37, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I guess there's a missing reported to me there, possibly that's key here. El_C 02:40, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yup, confirming. Briefly glanced at the diffs you've provided during the July 8 and July 30 discussions on my talk page (archives 18 and 19, respectively) and there was no mention of that attack. El_C 02:53, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's because it was posted near the end of April. Then removed, apparently, and not archived. But I most certainly posted it.

P.S. I also posted it to GS's Talk in July, so don't beat yourself up about it. Newimpartial (talk)

Newimpartial, that is incorrect. You made 4 edits to my talk page back in April. Here they are: 1 2 3 and 4 (continuous three edits). I submit to you that it isn't mentioned there. And everything was archived normally, as is standard practice here. El_C 04:19, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Which, frankly, is puzzling, seeing that it happened only 4 days prior, and considering that nearly all the diffs you did cite (and there were a few) were to the page in which the attack was made. I can't explain it. But I looked for Bilorv's diff specifically, and it just isn't there. El_C 04:25, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Part of me doesn't want to burst your bubble, but I made five edits here that month. This is the relevant one. Newimpartial (talk) 04:28, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Newimpartial, it is not "the relevant one" because it doesn't say that. Here is a File:April-TP.jpg|screenshot of the revision history. All the diffs were accounted for by me above (though I seem to have maybe accidentally doubled one). Anyway, again, it doesn't say that. Quote the pertinent passage if you are able. El_C 04:43, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This diff says I simply stated (accurately) that it this term (cis) is not considered a personal attack on WP, unlike such other terms as "misogynist" and accusations of "smacking a woman into place", which you have lobbed at me repeatedly. It is true that the relevant diff (this one) was provided in the previous comment I added to your Talk page. Rest assured that I did not separate the quote from the diff when I posted to GS in early July, FWIW. Newimpartial (talk) 04:55, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I asked you to wait! I lost everything with that edit conflict. Comeon! Please. El_C 05:02, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

[Jeez, Newimpartial, you are taxing me today.] Anyway, now I realize what happened. You did say that (being labeled a "misogynist," etc.), but you did not support it with a diff, which is all I was looking for a few minutes ago. Anyway, so, on 21:09, 19 April 2020, Lilipo25 removes the entire section along with everyone's comments (!), before I got a chance to read your "relevant" comment. I almost certainly didn't notice either of these changes, just because my talk page is, well, super-busy. Like, I had to go with a 25,000 edit range (which takes like 30 seconds to load) just to get to April 2020! Or, put another way, there have been hundreds of edits to my talk page this week alone, even with the notice at the bottom of my talk page that's meant to deter the sheer volume of these. El_C 05:07, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

To be fair, I had provided that diff in my preceding comment and, in my naïveté, I probably assumed that you would have checked it out when you read the exchange. Rest assured, I am older and wiser now. :). Newimpartial (talk) 05:13, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Newimpartial, just for my own sanity, could you please just quote yourself mentioning that diff (in plain text)? Because I ctrl-f'd the diff number and it did not show up. Possibly, just technical incompetence on my part a few minutes ago, but if you could do that for me, I'd appreciate that (otherwise, it's just gonna bug me). El_C 05:20, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Never mind, I see it. It is this diff, which has different numbers altohether. Well, I can't explain it. But I can't explain how any of this shit works, anyway.¯\_(ツ)_/¯ El_C 05:27, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This time you won the edit conflict. I wrote:

The text of this edit reads,

Once again, this is largely untrue. The only edit I deleted from Talk:Vancouver Rape Relief & Women's Shelter was this one, which is clearly an indefensible edit per policy, violating both the WP:TPG and WP:CIVIL.

That is the correct diff.

I'm no tech whiz either, but I know that there are two different formats for diffs, and I often use the "wrong" one (not on purpose). As long as the link works, I'm happy. Newimpartial (talk) 05:28, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I didn't because... I guess I never had to until now, in +15 years on the project. Concluding below. El_C 05:36, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Newimpartial, in conclusion: if you go forward from the point you cited that diff (here) all the way until Llilipo25 went on to remove everything (here), you'll see that I simply wasn't around to notice any of it happening. And that's that. El_C 05:36, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

To emphasize, I simply wasn't around from the first point that Lilipo25 posted their initial April complaint (here) all the way until she removed the entire section (here). The whole exchange, and its removal, happened during my absence. El_C 06:50, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Just in the interest of completion and good recordkeeping: permanent link to my discussion with Lilipo25 about this, as of a few minutes ago. El_C 07:27, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I can't believe that a few hours ago I said: Also, no luck required. Doing nothing is a breeze (diff). That shows me to test the gods of chance... El_C 07:08, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

		The Admin's Barnstar
		In gratitude for following up on arcane and complex disruption to Wikipedia articles. 2601:188:180:B8E0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 04:15, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks, IP! I really appreciate it. Also, thank you for all of your hard work. I see you! Stay anonymous, my friend. (Well, I'm anonymous, too, but you're even anonymous-er.) All the best, El_C 05:12, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Per [62]. When I was young, many years ago, I was walking on Gun Hill Road in the Bronx, when an old man passed by. My memory is that he was shirtless (though that may be a romantic embellishment provided by time), laughing to himself, and announcing, "I'm the old sea captain!" So I mean, why not? 2601:188:180:B8E0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 19:47, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Cool. Always shirtless over here, btw. Yeah, that's right, IP, and an upward trajectory from there is sure to follow! PS: RE: "upward trajectory" — because what could be better for one's wiki-prospects than to clumsily block a sitting arb and an Admiral? Going places over here! PSS: Also adding ping of annoyance, just to even the odds a bit more in my favour. El_C 20:11, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

SR, just as a follow up, because I think you missed it, but I did actually soften that statement a few minutes later in the interest of accuracy. Anyway, hope you get to see this. //Salsa dance! El_C 18:01, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'd also note that I did find that Lilipo25 had, in fact, lived up to that informal prohibition after I explained it to her in those terms (expressly so), as I also noted soon thereafter (diff). Finally, the conclusion to that entire ordeal, along with some twists and turns, may be gleaned on with my recent statement a few hours ago (permanent link). El_C 18:13, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Haha, SR! Oh, how I wish I was a member of Batucada Amazonas (YouTube Channel, which, ouch, only has 30 subscribers? That's a crying shame.) Man, would love to party with them! Anyway, that is actually Tomer Raz, the group's founder, who is super-into the whistle, which I love. //A taste! El_C 23:48, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Please replace Mika's copy of her suggested text, which you deleted from my talk page, or at least replace her surrounding message. Thank you. PamD 18:53, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

PamD, replace with what? I'm not sure I understand. But regardless, it's your talk page, absent copyvio concerns, you may adjust anything as you see fit. Regards, El_C 19:32, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, hope you're fine. I just noticed what is written on the bottom, however, I wanted to ask your opinion and advice on an issue (I waited even two weeks to come up, since I have been as well very busy after a strained period, which lasts still :( )...I listened a few of the musics offered....please tell me when I may have your attention, or when I should return...at least I hope with you everything is ok!(KIENGIR (talk) 01:37, 1 March 2021 (UTC))[reply]

Hey. I have two questions about your question: 1. how long is it? And 2. how long is it? El_C 10:52, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Heya, the postman always ring the bell twice also here :D. There has been a discussion which has been closed, but I debate the result and the conduct, which has been a blatant witch-hunt and violation of several conduct and good faith, but the most concerning is the outcome is as well semantically erroneus. Your time would be consumed of reading that discussion, and after opining and advicing me here what to do. Of course, it you don't have time now, I am willing to wait any long (I don't think there is a rule that a closed discussion may be challenged only within a time).(KIENGIR (talk) 11:03, 1 March 2021 (UTC))[reply]

If I may sharpen: will it required going over walls of text? El_C 13:37, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think it is not long in regular WP terms, especially compared to almost online chat-like ANI threads or a one-time "Polish-round"....([63]), here you may overview in blue, as an approximation. But again, you don't need to rush, if you say let's return later (even weeks), no problem. I honestly need your calm and sharp vision and understanding, because I get very disappointed and sad, so I reinforce I am willing to wait for you, any time.(KIENGIR (talk) 15:16, 1 March 2021 (UTC))[reply]

Flattery will get you everywhere! Honestly, I don't really envision returning to the usual grind in merely weeks —and I've been at semi-grind for a while now, anyway (haven't even loaded my watchlist once in, like, 3 months)— but remind me in, say, a week or so, because this week I really am trying (trying!) to take it easy, all appearances to the contrary notwithstanding. El_C 15:27, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Well, your kind words at least it gives me power to withstand. Have a nice time, will return as you outlined. Thank You(KIENGIR (talk) 15:44, 1 March 2021 (UTC))[reply]

Hello,

Thank you for deleting those revisions and protecting the page. I was wondering if you could also delete this revision https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1009376237 that was an accidental restoration of the deleted content. CAMERAwMUSTACHE (talk) 15:56, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ugh, mobile diffs, the eternal bane of my existence. Anyway, Done. El_C 16:23, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi El C, hope you're well. I would like to ask you if it is possible to semi-protect the Tayna article, there have been several IPs making disruptive edits in the last months. I would welcome your response, thanks!--Lorik17 (talk) 17:26, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked – for a period of 6 months. Doing fine, thanks, Ah, requests, requests...¯\_(ツ)_/¯ El_C 17:42, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you :) Lorik17 (talk) 18:52, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mentioned user was TBANed by you under AA2 sanctions, and has since edited in Articles in the area that he was sanctioned [64][65] (I tried to provide ordinary diff instead of mobile diffs). I think that he didn't understand the "Broadly construed" part of the sanction, he might need a bit of guidance on this. - Kevo³²⁷ (talk) 17:59, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked – for a period of one week. El_C 18:16, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! I know you are busy, but what is this person trying to do? He cleans up also the name of Romania. Nothing against anyone, but it might be wrong. Special:Contributions/MB .karellian-24 (talk) 02:14, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) @.karellian-24: See WP:OVERLINKING - It's usually not necessary to link to well known entities, such as a country, especially when the thing being referred to is obviously something familiar to modern readers. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 03:18, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

.karellian-24, a few things:

First, I'm not really taking new requests here, as noted below.

Second, even if I were, just linking to that user's many, many contributions (today alone), isn't enough for anything. Always cite the actual diff in question. I'm not gonna go through their, like, what?—500 or so edits in the last 24 hours, just to find the one which has that Romania de/link (I wouldn't even go through 50; maybe 5). I submit to you that you're asking too much with a request this poorly-documented.

Third, RC's answer is probably right, though (if I were to simply guess, just by having picked a diff at random).

Lastly and most importantly, why are you asking me instead of MB directly? I don't understand. El_C 05:36, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, sorry. Thank you very much! I have corrected and he seems to make the same mistake over and over again. Is it normal not to allow any link? The user Biruitorul also re-edited the contributions of MB. And most of his edits were against Romania only. Look at this also, no more link to the country of Egypt? Lake Manzala, in the article. .karellian-24 (talk) 07:40, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

.karellian-24, again, per WP:OVERLINK, there's nothing to correct. Those are good edits. El_C 07:44, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hey El C, I just applied a DS sanction here in response to this edit (exacerbated by the others around it), and logged it here. This is the first time I've applied a DS sanction - would you be willing to check that I've completed all the paperwork correctly? Cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 11:45, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hey. Yeah, for sure, looks good. I usually add a WP:BROADLY in there, too, mostly as a sort of emphasis. Oh, and you should log that AE block for the sanction violation, as well, (as an indent to your original bullet point). HTH! Best, El_C 13:56, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

El C, thanks - do I need to remember to unlog the block when it expires, or does it just stay there? GirthSummit _(blether) 14:05, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No, there is no un-logging. AEL serves as a permanent list for all recorded AE actions taken, so everything stays. El_C 14:11, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, GS, just noticed this: you should not be closing requests at WP:ARCA (or any arbitration pages). That is the exclusive domain of the arbitrators and clerks. El_C 14:31, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

El C, sorry, I'm confused - I don't think I've done that? GirthSummit _(blether) 14:57, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Are you perhaps confusing me with GeneralNotability? GirthSummit _(blether) 14:58, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Jeez, how am I such a space cadet today? Yes, I did. Really not sure why. :facepalm: El_C 15:08, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

El C, no worries - easily done, all these newish admins starting with a G! Thanks for the help GirthSummit _(blether) 15:29, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Right, G — I'll take that save! (And hold onto it for dear life!) For sure, glad I could help (until I went to visit outer space, at least). El_C 15:37, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Today: Carmen for TFA, with Bizet's music "expressing the emotions and suffering of his characters" as Brian worded it. Miss him. Miss too many. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:29, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

enjoy the music --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:30, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Awesome. Will check it out soon, Gerda. Warm (warm!) welcome to the March Corner! El_C 16:39, 4 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

miss too many pictured today, not by me --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:10, 4 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi,

I just wanted to ask if you could help with a repeat vandalism on Somalia, previously you gave the same user a 48 hour ban for removing sources. They are doing the same thing again, I have reverted back to the official source for the time being.

Previous case which you banned the user for 48 hours - Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1057#Dabaqabad

Could you kindly look into it, I have also reported it for Vandalism but since you have previously dealt with it, I thought I would inform you also.

Thank you. Hurbad (talk) 15:00, 4 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hurbad, are you able to provide diffs of disruptive edits? Because, at a glance, I didn't encounter any. El_C 16:39, 4 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Thanks for getting back to me (diff).

I have since reverted it. Hurbad (talk) 16:56, 4 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hurbad, that edit doesn't seem like vandalism to me (per WP:NOTVAND), but a content dispute that ought to be resolved on the article talk page. Unless a related consensus regarding this was already reached recently, then, indeed, it would be problematic, and possibly, a cause for further sanctions. El_C 17:06, 4 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I have indeed spoke about this in the TalkPage and the Talk page of the User but I got no response on the Somalia TalkPage and The user's talkpage was deleted as a whole. I do not understand why? but I will try again. I assumed it would count as repeat vandalism as the previous ban was related to this. I will try building consensus again and see. Will keep you informed if he/she starts to delete sources again. Thank you for your time Hurbad (talk) 17:11, 4 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A blast from the past! (circa 2002). El_C 08:40, 15 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Longing for Home (circa 2008). El_C 11:34, 15 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

For when just plain Distractions are afoot. El_C 16:54, 21 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Spinning over simple things. El_C 08:17, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Chris Hedges: "The Meaning of Christmas" (December 27, 2020). El_C 23:50, 21 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, everyone, I will not be accepting any new requests for the immediate moment. In the meantime, enjoy the music! (Also here) El_C 18:33, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Now also introducing Buck Flower, security guard (challenging times ahead!). El_C 12:46, 24 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]