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Welcome to my talk page I use the name Cullen328 on Wikipedia, but you can call me "Jim" because that's my real first name. If you want to start a new conversation, please click "New section" at the top of this page. I keep the old comments from July and August of 2009 that follow the "Contents" here, because these friendly words of greeting made me feel welcome when I first started editing Wikipedia.

Hello and welcome to my talk page. If you want to start a new conversation, please click "New section" at the top of this page. I keep the comments that follow from July and August of 2009 readily visible, because these friendly words of greeting made me feel welcome here on Wikipedia when I first started editing. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 17:38, 6 November 2011 (UTC

I would appreciate comments and suggestions on any contributions I make. I am learning.Cullen328 (talk) 03:22, 3 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nice work on Jules Eichorn. He's been needing an article for a while.   Will Beback  talk  06:28, 31 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If I may suggest, now that you've posted the Eichorn article the draft below might be deleted. It's your talk page to do with as you like, but it's a bit hard to edit around.

As for formatting and pictures, a good way to learn is to look around at other articles to see what you think looks best. It can be helpful to break up long blocks of text into subsections. Perhaps it'd be possible to split the biography into two or three eras. Other than that, the formatting is usually kept fairly plain. As for photos, it's easy to upload them: the trick is in finding photos with appropriate licensing. If you have any personal photos then those'd be fine. There are might be pictures of the peaks he did first ascents on in the Wikicommons. File:Cathedral Peak.png is a so-so pic of Eichorn Pinnacle.

As before, feel free to ask if you have any questions. There are several editors here who are mountaineers or just admirers of the Sierra, so you're in good company.   Will Beback  talk  21:13, 31 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

PS: Many editors create "sandbox" pages for drafting articles. For example, User talk:Cullen328/Sandbox.   Will Beback  talk  00:17, 1 August 2009

Hey Jim, just wanted to say welcome and thanks for your contributions to the Sierra Nevada climbing history articles. You're filling a niche that's been missing here, I look forward to working with you. --Justin (talk) 11:54, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'll second that. Nice work on Allen Steck and welcome to Wikipedia. I don't know who you are planning to write up next but if your taking requests I think Peter Croft (climber) could really use a page. If you ever have any questions please ask. Thanks again for your great additions.--OMCV (talk) 02:25, 29 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Justin and OMCV. I am beginning work on Tom Frost and Glen Dawson. Comments on Norman Clyde would be welcomed. I will defintely read up on Peter Croft, OMCV. I am still "learning the ropes" in Wikipedia, to use a climbing analogy, and have all sorts of things in mind. My biggest challenge right now is getting permission to use images. My next biggest challenge is hiking to the top of Mt. Whitney with my wife in ten days - she's never been above 12,000 feet except for the train ride up Pikes Peak. As she's 56 and developing arthritis in her toes, it will be an accomplishment if she (and I) complete the Class 1 feat. Jim Heaphy (talk) 02:34, 29 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Debra and I made it to the summit of Mt. Whitney at 2:20 PM on Friday, September 11. Jim Heaphy (talk) 00:59, 17 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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hello jim, hope you are doing well. i am a beginner on wikipedia but i am auto correction user. i want to write an article on a ngo which is working very good in there respective field. a friend of mine wrote a article on that topic but it got deleted due to less third party source. can you suggest me something how to write an article which won't get deleted, also i have some credible third party source so i want to ask how can i mention them because they are external links. Devanshusharma569 (talk)devanshusharma569

(Personal attack removed)

Hi Jim,

I am very new to Wikipedia. I got your feedback on the draft article located under PhoCoHaNoi. Thanks so much for your comments. I would greatly appreciate if you would spare some valuable time to highlight those parts from the draft that I need to pay close attentions to regarding the aspect that you raised. I know it would be a long shot to ask if you would even consider providing specific examples by directly editing them on the draft.

Lastly, I still do not know on how to submit the revision for review. I do not see any obvious buttons or pull-down menus from the Sandbox setting that would be able to allow to submit the article for review.

Thank you so much.

PhoCoHaNoi

Hello, PhoCoHaNoi. I am not going to edit the draft myself, because I want this to be a learning exercise for you. Here are a few examples of unacceptable wording:

• "celebrating the 73-year history of outstanding men and women"

• "pioneering contributions"

• "sustained leadership and strategic vision"

• "Exceptional services to innovation ecosystem"

• "stimulating small business innovation, meeting the Air Force and DoD R&D needs, broadening participation in innovation and entrepreneurship, and boosting commercialization"

• " So, as Dr. Pham looked back now, he brought systems-theoretic science and control engineering principles, together with teamwork and interdisciplinary to bear fruition in solving warfighter engineering problems, various areas of specific focus for increased activities in space control autonomy and space domain awareness."

It is not the job of a Wikipedia editor (you) to praise a person. Every trace of this non-neutral language must be removed. A Wikipedia article should never say "Person A is great!" Instead, it should say "Reliable source C reports that Expert B says that Person A is great", along with a reference to Reliable source C.

As for how to submit your draft, I will explain that when the draft complies with the neutral point of view. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it

Hi Jim. I will deeply appreciate anything that you can do to help. How can I find out about other editors and send them messages? I recently looked for an article about The Italian Coffee Company that I had read years ago. However, I could not find it. I believe that this article should be available. I am a new editor and I have a big learning curve ahead of me. Maybe you can post to my talk page. I am user Mojosa17. Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Hey, Cullen. I see you're active at the moment, could you give me your thoughts please on Readisten? There appears to be a somewhat good-faith reason for them being here, wanting to develop text-to-speech recordings, but there's no indication that's directly in the interest of Wikipedia. I've engaged them on their talk page but illicited no response yet. I'm finding it a little hard to gauge the next move. Obviously WP:UAA came to mind but i don't think a block is immediately warranted, but as i said i'm not entirely sure. Zindor (talk)

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I reverted these edits on the talk page of a user you blocked, since they contained personal attacks. Just bringing to your attention in case any additional action is needed. Thanks. -- GoneIn60 (talk) 16:21, 30 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, GoneIn60. I think that particular troll has moved on weeks ago. Cullen328 (talk) 16:25, 30 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, Cullen (or any TPS)! Found you on the list of participants at WikiProject Judaism. Do you have any idea what the correct link would be for this? I'm not sure it's 1970s Soviet Union aliyah, as Gershkovich's parents didn't go to Israel and people who went to the US instead are referred to as 'dropouts' in that article, but there doesn't seem to be an article for Dropout (aliyah); maybe there should be or it's under another name and hasn't been linked from aliyah? I could link to the section that mentions dropouts: 1970s_Soviet_Union_aliyah#Absorption_of_new_immigrants_in_Israel but it still seems a little confusing? Valereee (talk) 11:37, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Valereee. Another possibility is Russian Americans#Soviet era (1922–1991). That article could be reorganized a bit to create a separate section about the emigration of Russian Jews to the US in the 1970s and 1980s. The content is already there. It is kind of surprising that we don't have a freestanding article. Recentism, I suppose. Cullen328 (talk) 18:56, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I was thinking the same thing, surprised we don't have an article. I'm sure someone must have written about it. Thanks! Valereee (talk) 19:07, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

How do I creat a brand new wiki page for a social media influencer --Realcrucible (talk) 05:13, 3 April 2023 (UTC

Hello, Realcrucible. Declare any connection you have with this person, and read about conflict of interest editing. Then, read the notability guideline for people. If the person qualifies, then read and study Your first article. Cullen328 (talk) 05:21, 3 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Cullen328, a few weeks ago you had said you'd be willing to take a look at a request I made of the Bernard Looney article regarding some questionably neutral content. I just wanted to see if that offer still stood? Please let me know, and thanks for the time. Arturo at BP (talk) 16:43, 3 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Arturo at BP. I am sorry that I have taken such a long time to respond to your request. I have looked at this matter repeatedly in recent weeks, trying to motivate myself to implement the changes that you seek. In the end, I cannot bring myself to make edits that any way downplay or whitewash the ridiculousness and absurdity of a fabulously wealthy corporate executive putting himself forward as an official representative of the people of a poverty stricken country ruled by a repressive regime that denies basic human rights to its citizens. This is, of course, all to enrich BP stockholders with negligible regard for the poorest of the poor and the human-caused climate crisis. I simply cannot go there. Cullen328 (talk) 03:50, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Cullen328: thank you for your response. I certainly was not trying to whitewash anything; rather, I was hoping to bring those sections into better compliance with neutral point of view guidelines and use the ideas in the criticism essay to do so, especially since this is a biography of a living person. I'm always open to alternatives and I don't think what I have proposed is the only way these additions could be addressed. I understand not wanting to delve into this, though, and I thank you for your time and consideration. Arturo at BP (talk) 18:02, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello, the user talk page for BrownDan101 was protected because of sockpuppetry while the user was blocked, but the protecting admin also left a note in the log/reason that the protection should be removed when the user is unblocked. Since you unblocked the user, can you also remove the protection on the talk page?

Cheers. AP 499D25 (talk) 10:32, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Cullen328 (talk) 15:45, 8 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, I found some possible vandalism on RTÉjr - Wikipedia by User:The Gruffalo World - Wikipedia as he/she been adding and removing contents, even to the point of doing this: RTÉjr: Difference between revisions - Wikipedia . If you are online, please check up on this page. SeanTVT (talk) 14:18, 8 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nevermind, it seems that an admin was already on the case. Sorry for disrupting you. SeanTVT (talk) 14:27, 8 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not a problem, SeanTVT. I was asleep when you left your message, so I am glad that another administrator took care of the issue. Feel free to reach out to me at any time, and if I am active at that time, I will try to respond. Cullen328 (talk) 03:29, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi --Merpent (talk) 21:55, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Merpent. That's not a question. Do you have one? Cullen328 (talk) 21:57, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Cullen, how are you? I hope you're doing well. I was looking to create this article, 2023 Cricket World Cup Final as a brand new proper article from scratch so that I can be credited as the original author and creator of this article. It is not a true article as it never had any content in it and was created by someone many years ago only as a redirect to the main article 2023 Cricket World Cup. Now since the schedule and many other details have been confirmed by the International Cricket Council, hence I would be very thankful if you could delete this redirect 2023 Cricket World Cup Final so that I can create a new article on it. Thanks. TheGeneralUser (talk) 14:57, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, TheGeneralUser. Your draft is not ready for main space so there is no need to delete the redirect at this time. A desire to be be "credited as the original author" is not a good reason. I see that several other editors have given you similar advice. Cullen328 (talk) 15:14, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, thank you. TheGeneralUser (talk) 15:16, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Cullen. I don't think we're supposed to block IPs indefinitely, as you did with 2402:3a80:10df:2e62:f791:a07c:7761:7ed2 on 331dot's page. Also, I reckon you might like to block the /64 range, 2402:3a80:10df:2e62::/64, instead of just the one IP? Note, I've blocked the other /64, 2402:3A80:10D0:20F3::/64, obviously the same person, and also harassing Beeblebrox, for two weeks. There may be a bigger range that we could block, I'm not good with those. What about you, Beebs? Bishonen | tålk 08:01, 15 April 2023 (UTC).[reply]

Hello, Bishonen. That was apparently a late night (my time) misclick. I intended a term of one month but it looks like I accidentally selected indefinite. I often wish that I could indefinitely block the person behind IP disruption but I also accept that people far smarter than me have concluded that it is not possible. As for "bigger range that we could block", I am barely smart enough to cheerfully acknowledge that this possibility exists, but nowhere near competent enough technically to implement such a block. I made it clear when I went through RfA that I am not highly accomplished with technical details like range blocks, although I highly respect the adminstrators who have those skills. My strengths, such as they are, are in "softer" (non-technical) areas of adminstrative work. Cullen328 (talk) 08:34, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

My own strength is in creating sockpuppets,[1] though I didn't mention that at my RfA — I don't understand IPv6 beyond the /64s. Materialscientist, might you like to take a look at these ranges? Bishonen | tålk 09:24, 15 April 2023 (UTC).[reply]

Update: 2402:3a80:10c4:1e20::/64 has continued harassing 331dot and Beeblebrox. Blocked for 72 hours by ScottishFinnishRadish. Radish, could you take a look at the whole range this character obviously has access to, per my first post above? Is there anything more to be done than blocking the /64s as they turn up? Bishonen | tålk 10:35, 15 April 2023 (UTC).[reply]

In actually loading my boat up right now for a day of fishing, so I don't have time to look into the range right now. I'll take a peek when I get home this afternoon. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:59, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've also never learned how to do range blocks. I almost never even see these posts, someone has always removed them before I get there and they never say anything of substance anyway so I've basically been ignoring it. Beeblebrox (talk) 16:22, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like HJ Mitchell took care of it with a partial block on 2402:3A80:0:0:0:0:0:0/32. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 21:59, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, good. Thanks, Harry and Radish. Bishonen | tålk 22:47, 15 April 2023 (UTC).[reply]

Anything for you and Beebs, Bish. For what it's worth if you're curious Jim, if you have one of these new fangled IPv6s, you can go to its contributions and just type "/64" after the IP. Press search and it will show you the edits for that sub range. You can normally treat that the same as an individual IP. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 06:44, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This thread is proof that all I need to do is to frankly admit my ignorance and many of the best administrators will come here to comment. Thank you, Bishonen and your socks, ScottishFinnishRadish, Beeblebrox, HJ Mitchell. Cullen328 (talk) 06:57, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

hi do i make my own page? --Sussy daddy (talk) 13:14, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Sussy daddy. If you are talking about writing a well-referenced encyclopedia article about a notable topic, then please read Your first article. Cullen328 (talk) 16:19, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, and thanks for all your work and contributions!

I am a founder of Memrise (language learning app), and for a long time it has pained me that the wikipedia page is woefully inaccurate - eg it has a fanciful number for our revenues that I have no idea where it came from, lists the wrong languages that we offer, wrong number of users, wrong feature set... etc.

I made a few changes myself and then someone on my team was updating further changes. Our approach was to make sure we reference any change so that everyone can see the source information. We are also trying to write it not as a promotion - I just want the info to be accurate.

I see you reverted some changes as they were by a non-disclosed paid person. You're right - they were, but our intent was not malicious! I hope that was obvious by the fact that I made the initial changes from my own account with my name clearly visible :)

How do we declare that we are doing this ourselves in the interests of accuracy? I'm totally happy to have the information checked and made totally un-salesy. I just want it to be true. Sorry for causing trouble by doing it the wrong way, any advice would be hugely appreciated!

Thanks

Ben Benwhately (talk) 07:55, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Benwhately. Looking at your edit history, I see that you have been engaging in undisclosed paid editing with a conflict of interest for 12 years. Many administrators would block you on the spot, but I am going to give you one last chance to comply with the Paid contribution disclosure. This is mandatory and non-negotiable. Please do so in your next edit.

You have asked for advice and so I will let you know that Wikipedia administrators and experienced volunteer editors intensely dislike undeclared paid editors and will do everything possible to remove their content from the encyclopedia. As I said when I blocked User:Growth Team, Advertising, promotion, public relations and marketing are not permitted. This is not boilerplate. We take it seriously.

A Wikipedia article about a company should summarize what reliable sources entirely independent of the company say about the company. A Wikipedia article whose first reference is "Ben Whately - Founder's Story" from your website is an article with major problems, and those problems were created by you and your employees. Consider the list of languages. If the Wall Street Journal or The Guardian was writing an article about your company, would they list every single language you offer? Of course not. They would say x number of languages. That sort of list belongs in your brochures, on your website or on your social media sites. It does not belong in a neutral encyclopedia article about your company.

As for "malicious", I am experienced enough to know the difference between malicious and inappropriately promotional. As of today, I have blocked 8,179 Wikipedia accounts. Only a minority were malicious. A large majority were promotional. Both types get blocked.

The Wikipedia article Memrise does not belong to you, your company or to the hapless employees you assign to edit it. That article belongs to the Wikipedia community. Read about Ownership.

Volunteer editors and administrators expect paid editors to know what the heck they are doing, but are frequently disappointed. You wouldn't assign a mail room clerk to repair a serious electrical or plumbing problem, would you?

The proper way for a declared paid editor to change an article is to make a well-referenced, neutral, formal Edit request on the article talk page, which is Talk:Memrise in this case. Cullen328 (talk) 09:10, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for this and apologies again for failing to do the right thing previously. I totally understand your annoyance, and can only offer my abject apology. I didn't spend enough time understanding how to do this properly and I should have. Sorry.

I totally agree and understand that this article doesn't belong to us. We are not intending to use it as a sales brochure - we just want to correct errors that are there.

On the specific point of the list of languages, I've got no personal wish for a list of languages to be there at all; but if it is there then for the sake of Wikipedia's accuracy it should be correct, rather than incorrect, and I have the specific information to fix the error. That was my intention.

I will now use the Talk:Memrise to make all further suggestions.

Could you possibly unblock the blocked user so they can also make the suggestions through Talk: Memrise? IT was entirely my fault that they took the action they did, and they will not do it again.

Thanks for your understanding, your help, and for the huge amount you've done for Wikipedia. Benwhately (talk) 10:30, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Benwhately, I am not going to unblock Growth Team because team accounts are not permitted. A Wikipedia account is for only one person. If there is just one person with accesss to that account, then that person needs to request an unblock to change their username, addressing the issues that led to the block. Cullen328 (talk) 16:40, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Benwhately, I notice that you have not yet complied with WP:PAID. Did you read where I said that is mandatory and non-negotiable? Cullen328 (talk) 17:00, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I did read it, but I thought these disclosures were to be made with any future edits. I hadn't seen that I need to create a user page and put a declaration on there. I have now done that. Thanks for your help. Benwhately (talk) 20:40, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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I did not put a claim that Lee Harvey Oswald was innocent. I am aware that not everyone agrees if Lee Harvey Oswald was the shooter. The change I made only adds that Lee Harvey Oswald was shot before he could stand trial. And it removes the statement that he was definitely the shooter. So are you saying he was not shot before he could stand trial? Are you saying Lee Harvey Oswald was tried in a court of law? I just don't understand why you find my change to be a lie. Jacob81 (talk) 08:20, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for helping me make this edit clearer. From the comment you left on my talk page I can see how my original wording could have been misinterpreted. Jacob81 (talk) 09:02, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Cullen, I semi-protected your Talk page for 12 hours because of the repeated vandalism from Indian IPs. Feel free to undo it (although it might make work for your colleagues, reverting, blocking, etc.), shorten it, lengthen it, whatever.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:32, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much, Bbb23. I have no idea what I did to anger this particular anonymous troll, so I will just continue doing what I have been doing. I prefer to let other administrators make the decisions about protecting my talk page, and as always, I am grateful for your efforts. Cullen328 (talk) 01:40, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciated your help last night. I have another question or two though. I was unable to ask the teahouse because of all the vandalism lockdown. I have 12 notifications, and I'm not sure where they are from. I can't mark them as read, and I have already gone through reading my watchlist and talks.Also, do you need to visual editor to attach photos? Thanks! The Capitalist forever (talk) 17:13, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, The Capitalist forever. No, you do not need the visual editor to add photos. I have never used the visual editor except for testing, and I have added hundreds of photos to the encyclopedia. I work with the Wikicode. The file information page for a image on Wikimedia Commons gives you an option you can click to generate a snippet of Wikicode. You just copy and paste that code into the article, publish the changes, and the image appears. Cullen328 (talk) 19:11, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I think I get it. Thanks for advice!The Capitalist forever (talk) 19:15, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

When editing,is it better to use desktop or mobile? (sorry to ask so many questions)The Capitalist forever (talk) 20:44, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The Capitalist forever, please read my essay, User:Cullen328/Smartphone editing. Cullen328 (talk) 20:46, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

ok thank you ver much! — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Capitalist forever (talk • contribs) 20:49, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Just a note here because I am permabanned, for I think obnoxious prolixity, from any AE related page and cannot comment there. First I'd like to thank you for supporting a reconsideration of David's request.

As one of the infamous 'gang of four', besides Nableezy, Zero and Huldra, I too stand by David's request, fully aware that, because I think of an ingrained cognitive blind spot arising from his deep religious sense of Israel/Palestine as Eretz Israel, David will, if allowed back, still tend to make slipups, but neither deliberately nor provocatively. The sympathy for David, apart from his amenity generally, comes from a recognition that he is really both erudite and tenaciously committed to the encyclopedic aims of wikipedia. Many of us appear to agree that much of the heat of this I/P area is dispersed if editors underwrite a commitment to high quality sourcing, and there is no doubt that David accepts this.

He does need mentoring, but that is a difficult business, overseeing a productive editor. It's not in our rulebook but were someway to be found to suggest (Nableezy suggests a rule that he desist and revert immediately if anyone challenges his inadvertent boundary violations, for example) that editors there from whatever side do not jump the gun at any possible infraction to report him, but talk it over with David and his mentor, I'm sure the inevitable lapses can be remedied collegially, to wikipedia's advantage. His superb knowledge deserves encouragement and cultivation around here, where politics tends to obscure what is the essential core of our project, informed factual coverage. Best regards Nishidani (talk) 16:11, 26 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Nishidani. Thank you for your insights. Cullen328 (talk) 20:36, 27 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Check out this cute goat! I send the goat in recognition of your contributions to wikipedia.

Born25121642 (talk) 09:50, 27 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Doing we need a rename for a fictitious (hoax) team? Best -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 20:34, 27 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Deepfriedokra. I have no idea why some people waste their time with such nonsense. As Jim Morrison sang, "People Are Strange". Cullen328 (talk) 20:42, 27 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Put me in, coach. Binksternet (talk) 21:03, 27 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

meh -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 22:15, 27 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The reference can be found @https://radaronline.com/p/steven-crowder-berates-pregnant-wife-shocking-leaked-ring-video and elsewhere. El_C 02:50, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, El C. Please feel free to rewrite the content in an encyclopedic fashion, adding a reference to a reliable source. In my opinion, Radar Online is a clickbait gossip site that is part of the sleazy and recently rebranded American Media, Inc. family of supermarket tabloids and the like, and is not a reliable source, especially for BLP content. Cullen328 (talk) 03:22, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hey. Oh, I just saw your edit and thought you might find that to be of interest, that's it's a legit story. But if not, no sweat. Yeah, I'm not familiar with that specific publication, which I chose somewhat at random (their https://radaronline.com/s/about-us/ did look okay'ish, but on closer look, indeed, not). But I did see that story also mentioned @https://www.mediaite.com/politics/abusive-ego-centric-maniac-conservatives-condemn-steven-crowder-over-shocking-video/ and @https://www.dailydot.com/debug/steven-hilary-crowder-video-abuse. This story broke out a few hours ago (I saw someone on Twitch mention it in passing), so NOTNEWS notwithstanding, I thought that rather than seeing it protected @WP:RFPP/I#Steven_Crowder, someone like yourself might be interested in adding it, instead. Either way, thanks for your time. El_C 04:32, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like it got protected while I wrote the above, so I suppose it's moot now. Thanks again. El_C 04:33, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I hate to be judgmental, El C, but I can't help but notice that Mediaite was described by the New York Times as a blog that chronicles the gossipy media world in 2010. Maybe their journalistic integrity has soared since then without me noticing. I know that many Wikipedians think that I am an old fogey, but I think that better sources than that are required for contentious material in a BLP, even when I dislike the person in question. Cullen328 (talk) 05:42, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page watcher) I agree on this -- it's a crappy source consisting only of a long rant-y Twitter thread (it's not even an interview). If someone thinks it's BLP-worthy, that should be decided at BLPN and RSN. Softlavender (talk) 06:20, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) Mediaite sucks, too? Okay, I learned something new, again. Also The Daily Dot also The Daily Beast also the much-beloved Daily Mail... so many daily! But I don't disagree, this story certainly seems to have been dominated by yellow—journalism and WP:RSP—at the outset, which is never good for contentious BLP. Anyway, it is now also mentioned @Forbes as well (see their "Update" at the bottom), with likely other reputable publications following suit soon. El_C 06:29, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Softlavender, actually, the primary source seems to be https://yashar.substack.com/p/exclusive-video-reveals-steven-crowder rather than Elonbird (I think). Not sure if that matters, though. El_C 06:35, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No the Mediaite material that Cullen was referring to [2] and that I removed [3] is solely derived from Ben Shapiro's long Twitter rant, not from any statement he made to the press. Read the Mediate article and do control+F for shapiro -- it's all merely tweets. Softlavender (talk) 07:10, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

My gosh, El C, don't you know what a monumental scam the so-called "Forbes Contributors" are? Please read WP:FORBESCON if you did not already know about this. Please do not bring trash sources forward. We need actually reliable sources. Cullen328 (talk) 06:41, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No, I was not aware. These are not sources I ordinarily cite, or read. And it's not an area I contribute to, either. Which is why I brought it to you, the only person I recognized who recently edited that bio. I saw Forbes in green @RSP, but I guess it's limited to its paperback only. Anyway, I've no stake in this story, I just thought the protection could be avoided. Sorry for the trouble. I'll leave you be now. El_C 06:49, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! It seems that after this thread there isn't much wider community appetite to do anything about it. This seems to leave you as the only person who can reasonably do something here. With the benefit of hindsight, I imagine you'll likely evaluate the situation differently? – Uanfala (talk) 09:29, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I'd like to know how you get articles to create and improve. Is there a list or something (I find requested articles not that helpful) where there's articles needed or something like that? And where do you your reliable sources? Thanks! Vamsi20 (ask me questions) (see what I've edited) 12:48, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]