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Reviewer: MWright96 (talk · contribs) 10:05, 4 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Will take a look at the article on this tennis player. MWright96 (talk) 10:05, 4 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

1. It is reasonably well written.

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• "Her father ... is a Ngarigo Indigenous Australian through one of his grandmothers." What about his immediate paternal ethnic origin? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2620:117:502C:7F:0:0:0:D030 (talk) 12:43, 24 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• "Her father works in the government" - Perhaps say whether Robert Barty works in the local, state or federal government if stated?
  • That's all it says. (see here) Sportsfan77777 (talk) 02:31, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Wikilink netball
  • Done. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 02:31, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• "Barty also played netball as a kid," - informal; should be child
  • Done. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 02:31, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• "As a kid, Barty also practised at home," - same as above
  • Done. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 02:31, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• "she was practising against boys that were six years older." - who were
  • Done. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 02:31, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• "Barty reached a career high ITF junior ranking of No. 2 in the world," - try; career-high ITF world junior ranking of No. 2,
  • Done. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 02:35, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• "while also capturing a Grade 2 title." - which Grade 2 title?
  • added "in Thailand" Sportsfan77777 (talk) 02:35, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• "Barty produced another impressive singles result," - try to avoid working such as "impressive"
  • changed to "strong" Sportsfan77777 (talk) 02:35, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• "She closed out the season by winning" - concluded for variety
  • Done. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 02:35, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• "Her first pro match win" - know what this means but it should be professional for formality.
  • Done. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 02:44, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• "she entered a few more $25K events in Australia" - How many $25K events exactly?
  • Clarified (three). Sportsfan77777 (talk) 02:44, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Wikilink Wildcard to Wild card (sports); also be consistent on whether it should be one word or two words
  • standardized to "wildcard" (which I think is the preferred Australian English variant). Sportsfan77777 (talk) 02:44, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• "She then made her Grand Slam main draw debut the very next week" - "very" is reduntant
  • Removed. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 02:44, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• "She compiled a singles record of 34–4 in nine tournaments to go along with" - accompany
  • Changed. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 02:44, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• "She won four ITF titles in each of singles and doubles." in both
  • Changed. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 02:44, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• "having first cracked the top 200" - entered
  • Changed. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 02:44, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• "top 200 of the WTA singles rankings a few weeks earlier" - How many weeks exactly?
  • Clarified (three). Sportsfan77777 (talk) 02:44, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Wikilink tiebreak to Tiebreaker for non-Tennis readers
  • Done. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 02:47, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• "Barty's only other two tour-level singles wins of the year" - change this to Barty's two other tour-level singles wins of 2013
  • Done. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 02:49, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• "This success also helped Barty 'jump nearly 100 spots in the rankings to world No. 46." - advance nearly 100 spots in the world rankings to No. 46.
  • Done. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 02:53, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• "where they were up a break with a set in hand in both finals." - ahead by a break
  • "up a break" is the standard way to say it. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 02:53, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• "This turned out to be her only singles main draw win of the year at any level" - It transpired to be her only
  • changed to "This transpired to be..." Sportsfan77777 (talk) 02:55, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Wikilink Australian women's national team to Australia women's national cricket team
  • Done. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 03:01, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Add a wiklink to the Queensland Cricket article
  • I think this is the organization the runs cricket in Queensland in general, not the club. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 03:01, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• "She was intrigued by the opportunity to play a team sport as a change from the individual sport of tennis." - disclipne
  • I don't know if I would describe cricket and tennis as different "disciplines". Sportsfan77777 (talk) 03:01, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• "good for sixth in the competition out of eight teams." - good for sixth out of eight teams in the competition.
  • Done. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 03:01, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• "At first, she only competed in doubles events on the ITF circuit" - She initally only competed
  • Done. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 03:01, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• "She was happy with her performance, saying" - a comma is needed after the word "saying"
  • Done. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 03:01, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• "Near the start of the year, Barty picked up her first ever wins at the Australian Open" - first career Australian Open wins
  • Done. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 03:05, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• "Barty's next tournament was the Malaysian Open where she had won " - remove "had"
  • Clarified to "where had won her first WTA match four years earlier". Sportsfan77777 (talk) 03:05, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• "and helped her crack the top 100" - enter
  • Done. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 03:05, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• "She was knocked out of the tournament by" - eliminated from
  • Done. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 03:05, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• "and to qualify for the WTA Elite Trophy at the end of the season." - season-ending WTA Elite Trophy.
  • "season-ending" in sports usually means "premature season-ending" (e.g. due to injury, or elimination) Sportsfan77777 (talk) 03:05, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• "Barty and Dellacqua reached the quarterfinals or better at three out of four Grand Slam tournaments during the year." - at three out of the four Grand Slam tournaments during 2017.
  • Changed to "during the 2017 season". Sportsfan77777 (talk) 03:07, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• "They had narrowly missed qualifying for the event back in 2013" - remove "back"
  • Done. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 03:07, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• "Individually, Barty also established a new career-high doubles ranking of No. 11 in the world towards the very end of the season." - a new career-high world doubles ranking of No. 11 towards the season's end.
  • Changed to "a new career-high world doubles ranking of No. 11 towards end of the season". Sportsfan77777 (talk) 03:07, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• "Barty won both of her singles match against the Netherlands" - matches
  • Done. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 03:08, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• "Barty had an excellent start to the season" - try to avoid wording such as "excellent" for cases like this
  • changed to "strong". Sportsfan77777 (talk) 03:10, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• "she was able to qualify for the year-end" - year-ending
  • "year-end" is the standard expression. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 03:11, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• "The first also helped Barty climb to a career-best of world No. 5 in the WTA doubles rankings." - a career-best WTA doubles world ranking of No. 5.
  • Done. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 03:16, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• "Barty and Vandeweghe had lost the first set" - remove "had"
  • Done. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 03:16, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• "their two big titles were enough" - major titles
  • "major titles" means something else in tennis. "big titles" is a standard generic term. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 03:16, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• "Barty has also done well on hard courts," - performed
  • Done (no pun intended...) Sportsfan77777 (talk) 03:22, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• "Barty's short stature and diverse array of shots have led her to be compared to former world No. 1 and five-time Grand Slam singles champion Martina Hingis." - compared by whom?
  • added "by David Taylor, one of Hingis's former coaches" Sportsfan77777 (talk) 03:22, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Wikilink groundstrokes, forehand, backhand and aces to their respective articles for non-tennis readers
  • Done. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 03:22, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• "and ended up playing semi-pro" - professional
  • Done. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 03:24, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• "during the second half of that break." - change the text in bold to hitatus or something similar to avoid close reptititon of "break"
  • Done. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 03:24, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• "The associated Indigenous Tennis Program expects they will reach over 1000 children" - more than would be better here
  • Done. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 03:24, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• What makes Flashscore a reliable source?
  • Flashscore is a go-to source for match statistics in tennis (and most other sports as well). They record how matches play out point-by-point. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 03:29, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That's my lot. Will put the article on hold to give you time to make the necessary changes. MWright96 (talk) 14:27, 9 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review, MWright96! I made most of the changes, and noted the issues where I disagreed. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 03:33, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• @Sportsfan77777: Am now going to promote to GA class. MWright96 (talk) 15:54, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

We have a bit of an edit war underway about including the descriptor "indigenous" in the lead. It's probably time to discuss.

Most of the activity to include it would appear to be good faith attempts by newer editors to highlight something they see as important. Well, her Aboriginality is mentioned later in the article, so we're not keeping it a secret. One edit summary used when removing it mentioned that the Evonne Cawley article doesn't mention it in the lead. A fair point, but is that just WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS?

I don't feel strongly either way. But we need to pause the edit war. Thoughts? HiLo48 (talk) 03:22, 10 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Clear exclusion under MOS:ETHNICITY. Barty is not an activist or ethnic leader, so her ethnicity is not leadworthy. WWGB (talk) 04:20, 10 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

There are probably thousands of ethnicity situations with tennis players that we never include in the lead. Shall we make sure we say that Maria Sharapova is a Siberian tennis player? Do we start making details of Eskimo tennis players if they represent Canada? That stuff gets mentioned in the personal/family section. The WTA bio doesn't find it important enough to even mention. This type of trivial addition happens all the time after a just-completed Major. Fyunck(click) (talk) 04:40, 10 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Good points people. Agree with all of that. HiLo48 (talk) 22:50, 10 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Being an indigenous Australian is being an activist. Activism is not a choice for marginalised people. Being a leader is what she is doing - she is a leader on a world stage making an enormous contribution. It is not correct to cite the Sharapova example because Sharapova is not a person marginalised in her own country. Mrs Sussex (talk) 08:55, 11 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, you created a new account just to comment here. What a pity your comments are mostly rubbish. Barty is an activist? Evidence please. Barty is marginalised? Evidence please. I concur that Barty is a leader, but that is in tennis, not indigenous affairs. WWGB (talk) 09:56, 11 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This is a clear personal attack. Retract this, and apologise.--Senor Freebie (talk) 04:31, 25 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Nope, and nope. WWGB (talk) 03:22, 26 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with WWGB, her ethnicity is not what has made her notable and shouldn't be included in the opening paragraph. In order to maintain an unbaised and consistant article we should refer to the guidelines MOS:ETHNICITY. Pabsoluterince (talk) 13:07, 12 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Do you also agree with their conduct, in attacking the other user?--Senor Freebie (talk) 04:31, 25 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hang on a second isn't she the National Indigenous Tennis Ambassador for Tennis Australia? Does that not count as making her an activist? LordStrawberries (talk) 23:45, 24 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Then her being the National Indigenous Tennis Ambassador should be near the end of the lead, right after her accomplishments over the last two years. Because she is a notable player, they bestowed the title on her and she accepted it very graciously. It's pretty cool but most of that info belongs in her personal section with only a mention in the lead, so I recapped the ambassador info at the end of the lead as a compromise. Fyunck(click) (talk) 00:05, 25 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It seems to me that there is a whole bunch of garbage here that is unencyclopedic. Is it the verifiable fact that Ashleigh Barty is an Indigenous Australian? Is it noteworthy? It seems to me we have a mixed bag of things. I will tend to agree with the previous comment that identity from marginalised backgrounds is important and that you will probably not understand this (or even fight against it) if you are not from a marginalised background. This is called white privilege and there is a succinct article about this behaviour here and its consequences in Australia. For those who are best interested do your own research first then come back once you actually have an educated position not just a reaction to the word "indigenous" however problematic (read: it isn't) you think the word is in Australia. Aside from that there is the issue, given that there is no consistency in Wikipedia about this issue... I would strongly suggest a request for consideration of the fact is in order from people who are suitably qualified to discuss this issue without drawing from their personal emotive vocabulary that helps nothing. Wikipedia should be about facts, not about being "right." Unfortunately the whole process of being "right" is exactly why I don't have an account here. People push agendas that are emotive rather than factual all the time here especially on topics (they believe) are highly emotive (that aren't actually so). It's unfortunate it takes someone becoming world number one to raise the ugly issue of racism once again. --2001:8003:641C:4B00:3026:802B:7911:A98C (talk) 05:42, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That's a bit of a scattergun attack on all sorts of issues. Not really sure what point(s) you are trying to make. A couple of things.... When editing here, it's important to assume good faith from other editors. It's impossible for you to know the racial background of other editors here. I can't quite quite discern what you mean by "Wikipedia should be about facts, not about being right." In fact, we really only care about what is said in reliable sources. With luck, it's both right and factual. HiLo48 (talk) 05:16, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not disrupt this page . Jezzy-lam (talk) 20:42, 23 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a Wikirule against using Live WTA rankings for updating the ranking of a tennis player, as implied by previous section?--185.53.197.61 (talk) 20:35, 3 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

A wikipedia policy, no. Consensus and guidelines, yes. See Tennis Project Guidelines under "Player articles." This was done long ago to stop crystal ball projections from non-official websites. Player rankings do not change instantly. They only change officially at the beginning of a new week (usually on Mondays). Updating rankings before that would be inaccurate. Rankings can actually change in the interim period. If a player retires their ranking will be immediately removed and all other players rankings will move accordingly. Drug suspensions can have the same affect. Any other ranking site other than the WTA/ATP/ITF is not official, it would be an unofficial projection. Plus when people start updating before then often the number of weeks they are ranked gets all skewed up by the next person who edits who didn't realize someone updated the rankings prematurely. That is why it makes the most sense to go with the official results. It's easier for everyone. Fyunck(click) (talk) 22:52, 3 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I see the explanations given above and I'd say only one aspect: Live rankings aren't exactly crystal ball predictions, they are certain being done only after matches, not before when the winner is not known yet. The other presented aspects make some sense and may be understood, especially the aspect re the entire number of weeks with certain ranking.--185.53.197.61 (talk) 15:31, 4 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This edit war is disgracefully racist. It smacks of white privilege and fragility. Ash identifies as Aboriginal and is acknowledged as such by the community. Her father is described as an Indigenous Australian. Cathy Freeman is described as an Indigenous Australian on her page. It is a way to convey identity which can be different to background or heritage. I have Viking heritage but I don't identify as Viking. She does not need to be recognised by white people as an activist to legitimise this descriptor. The Aboriginal community sees this edit war as blatant racism. It is one word, it is an accurate description of her identity. The people taking it out need to consider why they are so fragile and triggered by it. Sharyn4939 (talk) 01:22, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Cathy Freeman and Evonne Goolagong do not include ethnicity in the first sentence. Why should Ash Barty be any different? WWGB (talk) 01:27, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sharyn4939 : It is not acceptable Wikipedia style to include a person's ethnicity in the opening sentence(s) unless this has some major significance to the person's profession, not just to their personal "identity". We don't include mention of a person's sexual orientation for the same reason. Anyone's ethnicity or sexual orientation, if they require any mention at all, is included elsewhere in an article but NOT in the opening sentence. Yahboo (talk) 02:20, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Yahboo: Again, why shouldn't it be on the first line? Nowhere on the page does it describe her as an Indigenous Australian. Her Nationality is described as Australian. It says her Dad is an Indigenous Australian but that she only has Indigenous heritage. Compare this to Deborah Mailman who is described as an Indigenous Australian and the second line says she is an Aboriginal Actress. Ms Dhu is described an Australian Aboriginal woman in the first line - so I am pretty sure you are making up protocols to suit here. Indigenous identity is mentioned in the first line of many - Albert Namatjira, Eddie Mabo, Harold Thomas.. and that is 2 minutes of googling. We are talking about someone's ethnic / cultural identity here - if it is appropriate to call someone Australian then it is equally appropriate to call someone Indigenous Australian. AND AGAIN - IT IS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR NON INDIGENOUS PEOPLE TO POLICE HOW INDIGENOUS PEOPLE IDENTIFY. Do you not understand what I am saying here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sharyn4939 (talk • contribs) 02:43, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Regardless of what any other articles may do, I am not "making up" any protocols. We normally only refer to a person's nationality in the opening sentence, not their ethnicity or any other "identity" unless this is of major notability. By your logic we should, apparently, also refer to all non-indigenous Australians as being a "White Australian" or "European Australian". Yahboo (talk) 03:04, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Yahboo:You don't appear to have much awareness or sensitivity of these issues. No, there is no need to refer to non Indigenous Australians as White or European because they are the dominant culture and so the label is interchangeable. There are issues behind this idea of which you are ignorant. The distinction between Aboriginal Australian and Australian is absolutely a statement of Nationality for many Indigenous people. You might not understand how the current edit war is racist, but that does not mean that it isn't. https://www.welcometocountry.org/digital-genocide-ash-bartys-race-repeatedly-removed/ Wikipedia has become just another platform of White Privilege where the resistance to the inclusion of one word is ridiculous. It's one word. It's an accurate word. Why are people so triggered? (Sharyn4939 (talk) 04:27, 6 September 2019 (UTC))[reply]

Per MOS:ETHNICITY, "Ethnicity, religion, or sexuality should generally not be in the lead unless it is relevant to the subject's notability". Barty is notable for being a top tennis player. While it is undeniable that Barty is indigenous, that is not the reason for her notability. WWGB (talk) 04:46, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

WWGB : Nowhere on the page is she referred to as an Indigenous Australian. If you were an Aboriginal person or sensitive to the issues of Aboriginal Australia you would understand it's notability. But again, you seem to be comfortable making determinations about how Indigenous people should and shouldn't be described. I have opened a dispute over this. I have only just ventured into the world of Wikipedia but have learned very quickly that Aboriginal voices are not very important here and that editors have no concept of what is culturally appropriate and are not interested in hearing. (Sharyn4939 (talk) 05:30, 6 September 2019 (UTC))[reply]

What the heck are you talking about? The lead already says ""Barty is of Indigenous heritage and serves as the National Indigenous Tennis Ambassador for Tennis Australia." Prose also says her father is "a Ngarigo Indigenous Australian" and her mother is "the daughter of English immigrants." Later in prose we have a quote from Barty, "I'm a very proud Indigenous woman..."

That should be more than satisfactory. Fyunck(click) (talk) 06:49, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Accusing others of racism without proof and using all caps are not good practice on Wikipedia. Nigos (talk • Contribs) 08:27, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think it matters. I think this is an acceptable edit. I would not make that edit. But I don't think it's a big deal. I would ask Sharyn4939 if it is in the interests of indigenous Australians to place that identity in the first sentence of the biography of a very accomplished Ngarigo Indigenous Australian? The alternative, which is in place now, is to call her simply an Australian. I don't think there is anything terribly offensive in simply mentioning the dominant power. That would not be "White or European". That would be "Australian". I think the term "Australian" represents the presiding government. It too could be omitted. But once again I wouldn't favor that. Omitting the term "Australian" from the first sentence of the lede is not utterly unacceptable but I don't recommend it. This is a biography of an accomplished person. If that person takes pride in their Ngarigo identity I think that identity should be prominently stated. But the first sentence of the lede is for such things as reason for notability, date of birth, and the prevailing governmental entity, which in this case is Australia. Also, I've taken the liberty of changing the section heading. WP:TALKNEW says "Keep headings neutral" Bus stop (talk) 08:17, 9 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Suggest the re-insertion of the word "indigenous" before "Australian tennis player" in the opening line. Thebrisc (talk) 02:51, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done. Please establish a consensus for this change before making an edit request. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 04:16, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Plus that information is already in the lead where it says "Barty is of Indigenous heritage and serves as the National Indigenous Tennis Ambassador for Tennis Australia." Fyunck(click) (talk) 06:42, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]