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Again, some editors do not seem to comprehend the myriad of concepts that led to the genres listed in the infobox. One is consensus, which disagrees with the addition of monotonous genre additions. The second is that having one album or a few singles in a certain genre does not mean that we must define any act by that genre. The third is POV. We came to these genres not because of the opinions of any editor who worked on this article, but because this is what the sources reflect. Changing the article to reflect your own opinion goes against policy. (Sugar Bear (talk) 00:39, 26 January 2010 (UTC))

One there is no consensus and even the people who you claim coined the useless catchphrase cite him as nu metal. RG (talk) 13:07, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Two, there clearly is a consensus. Three, read the above notes on generalizing. How is it a problem to simply list "rock"? Articles for similar artists do the same thing. Add to the fact that you feel that only one of his albums is in this genre, and that there are no sources labeling the albums you feel are nu metal as that genre. Your POV-pushing attempts are astounding. It's not about including every genre under the sun attributed to any given artist. It's about using the terms that describe that artist best per the overwhelming consensus of sources. And there are sources stating that this artist does not perform in this genre. (Sugar Bear (talk) 19:01, 26 January 2010 (UTC))

You're still doing the same thing - ignoring the sources and the points I made and continuing to edit based on your own opinion - and possibly a POV source, as you seem to believe that I am basing my edits upon...which doesn't make sense. Is a "POV source", in your viewpoint, any source that doesn't agree with your opinion that we should include every genre under the sun because one source says it's so? Next you'll be telling me that we should label King Crimson as a jazz band. (Sugar Bear (talk) 22:30, 26 January 2010 (UTC))

• RG, the issue has been repeatedly discussed, and there is a consensus. Please review the sources, the opinions on the matter from other users, and discuss any changes before making them. (Sugar Bear (talk) 23:12, 3 February 2010 (UTC))

Consensus? You count as multiple people now Ibaranoff? RG (talk) 23:19, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Wow. And you accuse me of being rude. Isn't that extremely rude to say "You don't agree with my opinion, therefore you're the only person who feels the way you do"? Think about that next time you file a complaint against someone for telling you not to enforce your own POV. (Sugar Bear (talk) 18:42, 4 February 2010 (UTC))

"Personally, I don't like seeing crowded info boxes and don't see a need to list every genre with which a particular artist has been associated."

"Kid Rock and RATM are really more rap metal, and in their cases I think editor's opinion weighs pretty strongly."

Clearly, two editors think that generality is better. And the guidelines back me up here. (Sugar Bear (talk) 18:42, 4 February 2010 (UTC))

Rude? You are rude, you claim there is consensus when only two users have contributed to an agrument then claim their is a consensus. And I noticed you didn't finish the rest of the first IP's quote, "I don't think this preference matters when another Wikipedian wants it there and has produced good sources supporting it's inclusion", now by your logic there is a clear consensus in favor of nu metal. RG (talk) 20:01, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Three. Three users. I am a user. Three users against one. Consensus. (Sugar Bear (talk) 20:34, 4 February 2010 (UTC))

No, as I previously stated the IP address said, "I don't think this preference matters" and also Albert never said he wasn't nu metal. Hense no consensus. RG (talk) 03:50, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Okay, enough. Stop the edit warring. I've reverted Rockgenre's latest "undo" because this was the genre version that seems to have been around quite awhile before the edit war started. This doesn't mean that I'm preferring one version over the other, but it was the most stable for awhile. Until you guys reach a consensus on the talk page, it will stay that way. So, let's make this clear: if either one of you (Snow Bear or Rockgenre) changes it again without consensus, you'll be blocked. This lame edit war is ridiculous. Jauerback^dude?/_dude. 05:14, 6 February 2010 (UTC)